EPTMy Perspective on ＤｏｔＡ ２ - Page 15
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Murogahyouma
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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accophox
8 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:29 Dorner wrote: @sn0 Then book another hotel room holy shit they get paid enough don't they? This blog post covers lots of important points and he's right about most of it but why bitch about your accommodation if you're not willing to find a solution yourself. Spending minimum $1k on a room for a tournament (remember, DHDL was almost 2 weeks long) where the minimum prize ($2k, minus 20%, split 5) is not even enough to cover half of it. Yeah. Not happening. Also, when you have shit like this going on - http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2pfso6/eternalenvys_new_blog_my_perspective_on_ｄｏｔａ_２/cmwaqnk | ||
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Eternalobi
Canada220 Posts
On December 17 2014 04:49 Murogahyouma wrote: Long story short, "this city needs more workers"... Not really, more like this city need more industry/tourists. As long as there is work. People would bust their ass off to apply. | ||
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Red_fajita
United States5 Posts
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Himmel
United States68 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:14 Red_fajita wrote: Speaking of professional casting can get Zyori and Xyclopz the fuck out of here. That is NOT DOTA FUCKING 2 Sometimes I wish I had subtitles for when Xyclopz is casting but thankfully there is always the mute button. | ||
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
What made you feel the rush consisted, as far as I can tell, in part of exploration and in part of anticipation. It's with everything - once something becomes a habit, it's just that, no matter how exciting or engaging it was in the beginning. Practice is one thing, but you do it because you believe it will pay off - with excitement, fulfillment, fame, you name it. And it did, years back, because winning a tournament, in any game, meant something. Nowadays there's just a ton of tournaments, because people think hype is a limitless resource. It's not. People don't get it from the get go, because a lot of them are unable to realize their minds' ways of answering repetition and draw conclusions, so you have this kind of situations repeat themselves over the years. Like it is with any kind of fads, they shall die out and I can bet with you the popularity of the game among people who don't commit themselves to it (I can't really relate this to anything without someone getting angry about it, so just take it as you want) will stagnate fairly rapidly, sooner or later, probably once another title comes along. You can think it's natural, but, for example, there aren't many regular sports I can think of which came into popularity, stayed there for a few years and became mostly forgotten shortly afterwards. And for all it's worth, ESPORTS are all about popularity and money. It's a business and making gaming a business is the Average Joe's way of bringing all the truly passionate gamers back to his own level. If you do it for the money, chances are it will turn into something you find hard being passionate about. Don't let it happen man. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
I got to attend the Capcom Cup last weekend. It was really fantastic. I didn't realize it was going to be in SF (I live in the Bay) until a couple of weeks before it happened so I only got balcony seats - which were ~$7.50 with fees. It was fucking amazing. The fighting game community is awesome, the casters are great, the players are great, the competition is great. We had the best players from around the world sweating their balls off over a $50,000 prize pool. And I don't mean "ah man they were playing hard" I mean guys who have been competing for many years were observed to be totally on edge at this competition by other guys who have been competing for many years. Some of these guys have been competing since Artour and Jacky were in grade school - or even before they were born. At the end of the tournament it was announced that, in partnership with Sony (FULL SELLOUT MODE!!!!111) the prize pool for the next Capcom Cup was going to be $500k. Think about that in Dota2 terms and then understand that all of the top fighting pros were utterly floored. The Warfield went nuts. The thing is, taken individually, a lot of what Envy says here has merit. But as presented, and holistically, it comes off as a bunch of whining with no perspective. Oh, you want everything to be right all at once? Yes, you are definitely not being spoiled by the current state of the scene. There's just so much money in Dota2 right now, definitely no one has been front-loading losses or making major sacrifices to make these things happen so the players at the top who are even in a position to give a fuck how many people are in their hotel room can have these chances to compete. 10-year fighting pros would shit themselves for the kinds of conditions guys who have been professional Dota2 players for 2-3 years already have. And Dota teams that aren't on top? Well fuck their perspective, this is about how hard it is to be a top-tier team with no self-control right now. And what if there were fewer tournaments to enter, rather than just choosing to enter fewer tournaments? What then, suddenly you're not worried about bad placement for TI invites? No, it's the same shit. The only thing that changes is that there are fewer teams scoring top-three pots and keeping the dream alive. Speaking of professional casting can get Zyori and Xyclopz the fuck out of here. Xyclopz owns. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Heflamoke
Germany69 Posts
No space for new things, new faces, new teams, nothing. Everything he describes happens when only 3-4 organisations hold the entire marketshare in their hands. Who gives a damn about viewer feedback, quality casts and other mentioned things when you are having a secure share anyway? The only solution is given the entire scene a chance to get new people in, may it be players, casters, teams, organisations. As long as Starladder can be casted by Xyclops, BETTING being the only way to get viewers and new promising talents getting insulted as T5 trash this won't get better. Not everything is Na'vi vs Alliance allover again...we destroy ourself if we eat the next generation alive. | ||
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Red_fajita
United States5 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:32 Heflamoke wrote: The community gets exactly what they worked for all the time. Only hype top teams, top casters, top tournaments, etc. No space for new things, new faces, new teams, nothing. Everything he describes happens when only 3-4 organisations hold the entire marketshare in their hands. Who gives a damn about viewer feedback, quality casts and other mentioned things when you are having a secure share anyway? The only solution is given the entire scene a chance to get new people in, may it be players, casters, teams, organisations. As long as Starladder can be casted by Xyclops, BETTING being the only way to get viewers and new promising talents getting insulted as T5 trash this won't get better. Not everything is Na'vi vs Alliance allover again...we destroy ourself if we eat the next generation alive. yo dude hate to say it actually not at all but that fucker can't speak english in an english cast | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:33 Red_fajita wrote: yo dude hate to say it actually not at all but that fucker can't speak english in an english cast A lot of people love his casting. Deal with it. | ||
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DeathAngel98
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Red_fajita
United States5 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:34 FHDH wrote: A lot of people love his casting. Deal with it. probably dumbasses like you that think he's funny and don't actually care about quality or having a good game casted like FD and Rave was today User was warned for this post | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:36 Red_fajita wrote: probably dumbasses like you that think he's funny and don't actually care about quality or having a good game casted like FD and Rave was today I can understand a game of Dota when I watch it. An entertaining cast, especially of fairly low-impact games, is far more important to me than some jerkoff making wrong analysis of the game. | ||
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Red_fajita
United States5 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:38 FHDH wrote: I can understand a game of Dota when I watch it. An entertaining cast, especially of fairly low-impact games, is far more important to me than some jerkoff making wrong analysis of the game. he made wrong everything whats wrong with you | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
and if were talking casters here, they need to stop trying to predict what players are going to do and dont say what they should be doing, youre there to say whats going on not lord over the match as if youre some dota god. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:26 FHDH wrote: https://twitter.com/TheMaelk/status/544946864110731264 I got to attend the Capcom Cup last weekend. It was really fantastic. I didn't realize it was going to be in SF (I live in the Bay) until a couple of weeks before it happened so I only got balcony seats - which were ~$7.50 with fees. It was fucking amazing. The fighting game community is awesome, the casters are great, the players are great, the competition is great. We had the best players from around the world sweating their balls off over a $50,000 prize pool. And I don't mean "ah man they were playing hard" I mean guys who have been competing for many years were observed to be totally on edge at this competition by other guys who have been competing for many years. Some of these guys have been competing since Artour and Jacky were in grade school - or even before they were born. At the end of the tournament it was announced that, in partnership with Sony (FULL SELLOUT MODE!!!!111) the prize pool for the next Capcom Cup was going to be $500k. Think about that in Dota2 terms and then understand that all of the top fighting pros were utterly floored. The Warfield went nuts. The thing is, taken individually, a lot of what Envy says here has merit. But as presented, and holistically, it comes off as a bunch of whining with no perspective. Oh, you want everything to be right all at once? Yes, you are definitely not being spoiled by the current state of the scene. There's just so much money in Dota2 right now, definitely no one has been front-loading losses or making major sacrifices to make these things happen so the players at the top who are even in a position to give a fuck how many people are in their hotel room can have these chances to compete. 10-year fighting pros would shit themselves for the kinds of conditions guys who have been professional Dota2 players for 2-3 years already have. And Dota teams that aren't on top? Well fuck their perspective, this is about how hard it is to be a top-tier team with no self-control right now. And what if there were fewer tournaments to enter, rather than just choosing to enter fewer tournaments? What then, suddenly you're not worried about bad placement for TI invites? No, it's the same shit. The only thing that changes is that there are fewer teams scoring top-three pots and keeping the dream alive. Xyclopz owns. I love the FGC and I agree with your overall sentiment(also your statement about age is a bit hyperbolic. EE's like 23 lol), but you cannot say that Envy is whiney overall. Envy's the same guy who had the balls to post a public blog about going pro and then did it even as half the scene was flaming him saying there wasn't enough money and he was wasting his time. He tried his damn best to make it and he did. He's basically posting a blog that summarizes what all the top teams think but have not publicly said. Just look at what the top 5 teams in the world have done lately. As for the FGC comment, the FGC hates "esports" money and part of why they've remained small is that they've refused to take a lot of outside money. There's a ton of cultural and historic reasons as to why they aren't anything like the PC gaming community. It's nothing like Dota2 and it's not a fair comparison at all to make. Most of the top fgc guys had full-time jobs until very recently and never saw games as their "profession" | ||
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smallpenis
Sweden1 Post
All the money that goes into this should be split equally among the teams, the casters should get some of it, and the teams participating should decide if the tournament holder is going to see any of that money. And because of this we would need a union for the teams and the casters, the union itself is directly responsible for the well being of the casters and the teams. If a situation occurs during a tournament the team can contact the union, and the union then makes a public appearance letting people know what happened, and they also contact the tournament holder with what happened and that this is not an ok way to deal with things. This would make the union responsible to only support some tournaments since those tournament holders that behaves badly would in turn make the union look less effective. It would also make the tournament holder to do their outmost for a good tournament for all teams, and it would split the power between the union and the teams that are in it, and to some degree the tournament holders. It would reduce the number of tournaments since the tournament holder is only maybe going to see the money they generate from viewers, and this would reflect how well the teams felt the experiance was going to that tournament. The union would also need to set a minimum requirement on the tournament itself that would either give them "none, partial, or full" compensation for holding the tournament. This is my idea, im not saying that its great, or the only way, but its my idea, let me know what you guys think about it please. best wishes and a happy holiday /Smallpenis | ||
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