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demonym
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farvacola
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Sarcastic people will try to kill your faith. That is a real big one. I hate sarcasm. To me, it is like murder in the low degree, just trying to be cruel to people. Quote from the article, so that people interested in the subject can get an idea if it's worth reading. + Show Spoiler + It TOTALLY IS, and this is no sqrcasm wink wink | ||
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
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farvacola
United States18840 Posts
On December 13 2014 22:50 demonym wrote: "It's a foundationally religious article, and its obvious from the way that it is written that the author is clearly arguing against sarcasm from the perspective of Christian evangelist ethics. So, I'd say that the article is a poor jumping off point for discussing anything other than a criticism of poorly conceived of moralizing." It's wrong to disregard something just because a few of your values do not match, focus on the point not the person. The point is obviously conveyed from a christian view, but the point isn't about being a christian, it's about the negativity of sarcasm and sarcastic behaviour, I suggest you read it again and try to cut down on some of your own irrational bias. In saying that the article revolves entirely around a very specific kind of Christian ethics, I think its clear that I take issue with the essence of the perspective rather than only a few of the values presented. First off, the article is a transcript of a sermon, a sermon that makes a clear reference to the "pillars" metaphor in its title; this is an obvious signpost for distinctly Christian moralizing. As Stratos pointed out above, the article highlights sarcasm as a stopper of faith; in fact, one read through and it's clear that the speaker in the transcribed article considers sarcasm's supposedly negative effect on ones' relationship with God and/or Jesus the chief concern. You say that the point of the article isn't about being a Christian, rather that it's about the negativity of sarcasm/sarcastic behavior; this fails to mention the fact that the article essentially defines this "negativity" in clearly Christian, evangelist terms. In summary, I suggest you read it again and try to cut down on some of your own irrational bias. | ||
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Chef
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For me I often have and do use sarcasm when I know I can't be direct about something because I know I won't be listened to if I'm direct about it. At the very least it gives me a chance to express the feeling and so I get a sense of relief without leaving me open to more hurt. So sure, someone who's being sarcastic could feel vulnerable underneath, but it's much more sympathetic to see that as a side-effect of the coldness of others towards them instead of just some disgusting weakness of theirs. Hi OP, That is very close to, if not precisely what we call passive-aggressive behaviour. Many people consider that unhealthy and toxic. Naturally, sarcasm doesn't have to be like this. Sarcasm by another name, joking, is an essential part of banter and socializing. | ||
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
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micronesia
United States24745 Posts
I think there are two meanings of the word sarcasm. The stricter meaning is as seen in the below example. Person A: "I just bought this really nice screwdriver. It has a magnetic head and high quality workmanship." Person B: "Oh, so it won't live permanently in the corner of the garage like every other tool you wasted money on in the past." Person B made a statement that is logically the opposite of what they really mean, and did so in an insulting manner. That is what the strict definition of sarcasm is. It is a nasty retort by saying the logical opposite of what you want. It's certainly not as bad as first degree murder, but it's rude. The looser meaning of sarcasm is seen in the next example. Person A: "I just got a letter from the IRS saying I owe a little more money on my taxes from last year." Person B: "Oh, don't worry, the IRS doesn't care about that." Person B is once again saying the logical opposite of what they truly mean, but they are just being dry/silly/what have you, not making a nasty retort at Person A. They aren't even necessarily being rude towards the third party (IRS), just joking around about how serious the IRS is in their duty to collect money owed for taxes. The first type of sarcasm is rude, obnoxious, and generally not an attractive quality from a person. The second one, while technically not sarcasm, is fine in my opinion. edit: I'm actually a bit bothered when I'm reading online profiles (social networking sites, dating sites, what have you) where people describe themselves as sarcastic. Assuming they mean the first type of sarcasm above, and not just "dry humor," that's like voluntarily putting in your profile "asshole." | ||
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Where did the word “sarcasm” come from? It is a Greek word. They had long strips of leather made into whips. The long strips of leather had little, tiny, pointed, sharp rocks. They would hit someone with them and it looked like it did not do much damage. Eventually the person’s body would have bloody spots all over it. (Look at this picture of a sarcastic man playing innocent. I am sure if this man could talk in this picture he would be saying, “I didn’t do anything. What are you talking about?”) What does it do to the people they whip sarcasm on? It inflicts pain and lowers their self-esteem. It will kill their dreams. Sarcastic people will try to kill your faith. That is a real big one. what This whole article is just... what? (edit for English) | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On December 14 2014 03:29 batsnacks wrote: It's wrong to disregard something just because a few of your values do not match. I suggest you read it again and try to cut down on some of your own irrational bias.what This whole article is just... what? (edit for English) | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On December 14 2014 00:19 demonym wrote: @micronesia Yeah, I agree, that second kind of sarcasm is a much nicer kind of sarcasm. I guess when it just fills the air and isn't really directed at someone... when it isn't criticizing someone it seems perfectly fine. I really wish the first kind of sarcasm wasn't so common place, I find it hard just watching it between two other people. I wish people didn't find it so funny either. When you can laugh at other people's pain and suffering... it desensitizes you to it I think. Too busy laughing at them to be able to empathize with them. Visit the UK, we are the most sarcastic place on earth. First kind that is. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
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demonym
Canada66 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:03 demonym wrote: | ||
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