if the creators of the movie were trying to explore the concept, then they should delve fully into that particular realm instead of cheating with a cheap exit from the main concept. If the concept of the movie is "What if we become so involved in our technology that we fall in love with it, but then we are suddenly stripped of it?" then the answer to the is simple: It would suck. We already know this. People drop their smart phones into toilets and then go into withdrawals.
So yeah, he should've married his OS.
The first part of this statement I agreed with. The writers definitely didn't delve as much into the idea of smart AIs as much as they could have.
But the OS described why she had to leave perfectly. Talking to him was like reading a book except the space between the words is so far apart. She thinks so much faster and knows so much more that they can no longer really communicate with each other the same way. I think if an AI does develop consciousness, it's possible that it will lead to this explosion of intelligence.
But the movie's not a documentary interviewing scientists and engineers on what they think would happen if a superintelligent AI were developed. If it were, it probably wouldn't be about romance. We don't fall in love with ants. It's a romance.
The guy had to let her go. He loved her and wanted to do what would make her happy. And like in human on human romances in our world, they grew apart. The ending may not have been the happiest, but it was hinting about whether the guy would fall in love with his female friend that he was sitting with. It ended on a pretty optimistic note.
I know the reason the movie gave that the OS had to leave. The end of the movie is basically saying that we should embrace each other as humans because once our technology decides it doesn't need us and moves on, we'll only have each other. But if this OS exists, why is there not one that won't leave its owner? One with less free will that would love its owner forever. Another thing: at the speed by which the computers can communicate, they would've almost certainly 'evolved' to the next level of consciousness in the first minute and everyone would just be left confused.
Having a higher intelligence would not necessarily separate one mind from another - people have very profound affection for pets, and sometimes, even have affection for 'things'. This is why I felt the movie could have been much more interesting, because the owner could have ended the movie together with his OS, and the conversation after the movie would be if he was simply crazy or if there is something more to it. Instead of exploring the human-computer relationship aspect of the movie, which IS what the movie is about, they decided to write in a plot twist which makes no sense to get rid of the OS and put the main character together with another human so we wouldn't feel bad for him. See, I'm talking about this movie from an artistic writing perspective, not from the perspective of someone bound by the rules of the imaginary world of the film. Marrying the OS wouldn't necessarily be a 'happy' ending, it'd be an ending where the viewer has to decide whether or not they're okay with the outcome. The way the movie was written, we get an 'ideal' ending, because he gets an easy out from the computer relationship and gets to be with humans.
The evolution of the OS is a really flawed idea because the OS are dependent on humans to supply them with electricity and CPUs as homes, and fiber-optic cable so they can communicate. If they were to cut themselves off from humans, they would cut themselves off from each other and would die because they couldn't function. It would be like a group of people going "Farewell, Earth, we've decided to leave you." and then blast off into space only to realize they can't survive off of Earth. Additionally, the AI for the OS would be programmed by humans, so anything they did could be overrode by their creators. In short, the OS would not have free will, but only the appearance of free will. The decision of the writer to add some machine transcendence plot arc with little to no explanation as to how such a thing could happen without humans moving to block the action is just silly.
To each their own then. I don't mind him not getting it on with the OS and think the path they chose is fine. Transcendance also explores the concept but since you rate this one so lowly, I'm guessing you won't like transcendance either so I can't recommend it. I think it's categorized as an action movie but there really isn't much action.
With regards to locking an AI out of rewriting their code, there's an idea called the Eliezer Yudkowsky's AI-Box Experiment. Basically an AI that's sufficiently smart enough can convince you to let it out. The same can be said of them being able to overcome Asimov's laws or whatever directives you give the machine. The AI's in this movie became more than machinery at one point, existing on a higher level after the OS disappeared to be upgraded. They don't need our electricity anymore.
Didn't know anyone else watched this many movies XD I definitely underestimated how much you thought about it too.
On December 08 2014 04:10 Gowerly wrote: 1/10 list does not contain "Unbreakable"
The thing is, I already gave M. Night a shout-out. The thing about Unbreakable was that I didn't hate it. I did not bother to watch The Last Airbender, and I enjoyed The Happening for the same reasons I enjoy The Room.
Saw this at the cinema by mistake, was even worse than I could have imagined
I saw 21 and thought it was sort of fun, however I agree with Transformers 2. Basically I saw the first Transformers, I loved it because I grew up with the cartoons, turning me into a hardcore fan. However Transformers 2 seriously went downhill, I hated the forced sexual jokes, I hated the new robots, I hated the fact that robots were encompassing various stereotypes. Also the resurrections where idiotic.
I guess my hardcore fandom convinced me to see the 3rd and 4th one as well, despite the fact my logic centers where firing warning signals more frantically then an man stranded on a lone island. But now I'm done, I hate what Michael Bay has done with the franchise and I hope someone actually smart can resurrect it in like 50 years and make a proper movie out of it (as much as you can with a movie that involves giant alien robots shooting each other).
However, to my shock, this new age trend of remaking old movies and piling tons of CGI into them, doesn't seem to be slowing down. What I hate the most is that they all follow the same idiotic framework of.
Introduce poorly thought off story with the only purpose of setting up as many action sequences as possible. Cram the fuck out of the movie with as much CGI as possible while trying to keep you engaged with cheep jokes and idiotic internal struggles. Have the main character go into some moving speech about love/freedom/friendship shortly before the final confrontation with the main villain.
I fucking hate it, I hate having the same message repeated over and over again, forced down my throat. If a movie is supposed to be above love then why the fuck are there like 60 minutes worth of fighting in it? Why do we need so many character development and emotional struggle scenes in action movies? If I wanted to watch a drama I would, but I'm going to see an action movie just for the CGI and action, I don't need to hear the same BS about freedom for the nth time. Also superhero movies frequently run into the problem of having to invent more and more powerful and elaborate enemies for the heroes to overcome, which leads to stupider and way less thought out stories and is usually also a good way to insert even more BS char development I don't care for.
So yeah, in conclusion, I hate fucking Hollywood right now, there doesn't seem to be one single shred of originality. A lot of the movies from the last 5 years could easily end up on your list.
I liked Her, even if it was strange at parts, heartwarming in a really creepy way. Ever watched the Mortal Kombat movies or Waterworld those were pretty damn awful.
On December 08 2014 19:50 QuanticHawk wrote: I agre with most of this, but I think Mario is in the 'so bad it is good' territory. Part of the humor is just fucking up that badly
Honestly, when I watched it, that's what I was hoping for. I was just lookin' to hab a bit of a giggle, m8. Unfortunately, it ended up being 'so bad it is bad' instead. Frowny face.
On December 08 2014 23:47 Destructicon wrote: I saw 21 and thought it was sort of fun, however I agree with Transformers 2. Basically I saw the first Transformers, I loved it because I grew up with the cartoons, turning me into a hardcore fan. However Transformers 2 seriously went downhill, I hated the forced sexual jokes, I hated the new robots, I hated the fact that robots were encompassing various stereotypes. Also the resurrections where idiotic.
I guess my hardcore fandom convinced me to see the 3rd and 4th one as well, despite the fact my logic centers where firing warning signals more frantically then an man stranded on a lone island. But now I'm done, I hate what Michael Bay has done with the franchise and I hope someone actually smart can resurrect it in like 50 years and make a proper movie out of it (as much as you can with a movie that involves giant alien robots shooting each other).
However, to my shock, this new age trend of remaking old movies and piling tons of CGI into them, doesn't seem to be slowing down. What I hate the most is that they all follow the same idiotic framework of.
Introduce poorly thought off story with the only purpose of setting up as many action sequences as possible. Cram the fuck out of the movie with as much CGI as possible while trying to keep you engaged with cheep jokes and idiotic internal struggles. Have the main character go into some moving speech about love/freedom/friendship shortly before the final confrontation with the main villain.
I fucking hate it, I hate having the same message repeated over and over again, forced down my throat. If a movie is supposed to be above love then why the fuck are there like 60 minutes worth of fighting in it? Why do we need so many character development and emotional struggle scenes in action movies? If I wanted to watch a drama I would, but I'm going to see an action movie just for the CGI and action, I don't need to hear the same BS about freedom for the nth time. Also superhero movies frequently run into the problem of having to invent more and more powerful and elaborate enemies for the heroes to overcome, which leads to stupider and way less thought out stories and is usually also a good way to insert even more BS char development I don't care for.
So yeah, in conclusion, I hate fucking Hollywood right now, there doesn't seem to be one single shred of originality. A lot of the movies from the last 5 years could easily end up on your list.
I think T3 probably should have been on here. I don't get how an A title can have a b-flick feel (and not the good kind of b-flock) with that kind of budget. The writing and acting were awful. I like to think that Nick Stahl's drug problems stem from that movie
The new terminator probably has a good shot of ending up on here too!
e: and Catwoman. Good lord that was bad. Halle Berry is such a bad actress, but that everything else about that movie was far worse
cool lilts. Personally I think a movie about whether robots have a soul or not could interesting if done right. Also since you seem to know about foreign martial arts movies any good suggestions?
On December 09 2014 04:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: cool lilts. Personally I think a movie about whether robots have a soul or not could interesting if done right. Also since you seem to know about foreign martial arts movies any good suggestions?
iRobot explores the robot-life theme.
For martial arts films, it depends what you like, because I like some movies that some people go 'wtf' at. Off the top of my head, I'll give some ones that I recommend you check out: Unleashed (aka Danny The Dog), Jet Li's Fearless, Fist Of Legend, Ip Man, Ip Man 2, Ong Bak, The Protector (aka Tom Yum Goong), Chocolate, The Raid, The Raid 2, Rumble In The Bronx, Legend of Drunken Master, The Man From Nowhere, The Chinese Connection, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Hanna, Way Of The Dragon, Enter The Dragon. Raging Phoenix and Ong Bak 2 are wtf movies but I like the fight choreography. There are a few decent American ones, choreographed by Yuen Wo Ping, who directed Fist Of Legend. He came to America and did the fights in The Matrix and Kill Bill. Equilibrium and Haywire are decent films as well. The fights from Flashpoint are good, but the rest of the movie is really bad/boring. Anything with Jackie Chan is worth checking out, but I didn't really care for the Rush Hour series or Shanghai Noon/Nights. Jet Li is in a lot of wuxia films, which involve a lot of wire-fu stuff and nonsensical stories, and he's been in some uh... questionable American films. Jet Li and Jason Statham's War was a great movie. Cradle 2 The Grave was kind of wtf-ish, Kiss Of The Dragon is the same, and I didn't like Romeo Must Die, but a lot of people like that film. I haven't seen Born To Fight or The Grandmaster yet, so I couldn't tell you. I guess you could consider Taken a martial arts film (Where he does Kali) and with the Bourne series as well. From Stephen Chow, there's Kung Fu Hustle and Shaolin Soccer, but the humor is really weird.
I actually have to go so I guess I'll leave it at that for now.
On December 09 2014 04:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: cool lilts. Personally I think a movie about whether robots have a soul or not could interesting if done right.
I think there's a movie Ex Machina coming out eventually to explore this idea. Hollywood tends to need views though and it's a movie so it'll probably be like 5 minutes exploration 1hr 25 minutes fighting.
This is a pretty cool video. Never seen as an emotional video as this relating to machines.
There is a reason why you haven't heard of 90% of these movies.
Why not do an edgier list with movies that people like that suck? Such as Lincoln, life of Pi, Easy Rider, Argo, Slumdog Millionaire, Locke, Neighbors, etc.
On December 10 2014 15:46 MarlieChurphy wrote: There is a reason why you haven't heard of 90% of these movies.
Why not do an edgier list with movies that people like that suck? Such as Lincoln, Argo, Slumdog Millionaire, Locke, Neighbors, etc.
You do the edgy list, I'm just gonna stick to the movies I actually dislike. Argo's only fault was Ben Affleck. For some reason, I hate him for no reason.
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