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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 24 2014 08:14 GMT
#261
On November 24 2014 14:28 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 14:19 CorsairHero wrote:
On November 24 2014 13:53 Plexa wrote:
On November 24 2014 13:46 CorsairHero wrote:
On November 24 2014 12:09 Plexa wrote:
On November 24 2014 12:04 icystorage wrote:
Lastly, your preference to have everything in one thread vs spread out of a forum is a subjective fact and will differ from user to user - obviously with how much you care about GD you prefer one thread, I'm not sure everyone would agree with that.


you could make a poll to prove that, just saying

Point is, GD in its previous inception isn't something that we can bring back.

No one is disagreeing with this. From a post in another girl blog

[image loading]

Well the issue is that the changes proposed (more or less greater moderation) don't really address the issues I raised about content overlap.

Not really a concern since anything in GD is a casual chat (that can change direction quickly) where if someone wants to discuss something in a more focused manner, they would make a new thread.

GD: "oh fuck i got dropped in my game for some reason." then Yango replies or something
Tavern thread OP "Due to a memory in dota where the PA Arcana exposes some backdoor exploit drop hack or w/e blah blah blah reference reddit somewhere cause people are faster there"


So you're really asking for a casual chat thread still, with the last inception being a casual chat thread how do you make it different so that it doesn't fall into the same problems? The option of 'just making a thread' existed while GD was active yet it wasn't actively pursued by people.


Yep. There's a report button / get a mod in there / some of the low quality posts were made by people in this thread. Threads take more effort to make but at least the option was there or post in GD.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 08:26:12
November 24 2014 08:22 GMT
#262
I think focussing more on individual player streams is not the way to go in a teamgame. Although i like the idea of upgrading the non-featured section somehow and active forummembers that stream could benefit from that.
The emphasis on creating more content or pleasure together in a teamgame seems more logical to me then trying to create more exposure for individually created content. Community based content should be on a calender in the sidebar somewhere if its casted. Its content created by multiple community members together (players+casters+coaches+staff+whatever).
As an example, i really enjoyed the dualcasts of matches in the amateur liquiddota pasture league, i think the quality of casts is really high (i didnt expect that). The casters were on par with some procasts of bts for sure.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 24 2014 08:24 GMT
#263
Don't know when the last time you visit TL but we had some community tournament (LRSL iirc.. or maybe a grudge match?) on the calendar very recently. We can definitely offer more support for cool community events
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 24 2014 08:27 GMT
#264
Lemme draft you an OP for a offtopic thread since i found a pc with a working keyboard in this hell hub on earth that is my uni (like every otehr door is a portal to hell :O)
The thread would be titled "Weather and current affairs"
On Novemeber 32 2014 9:20 in a parallel universe Qbek shitposted

This is a thread dedicated to the two pillars of social interaction, weather and current affairs. It is meant as a place to discuss anything not dota related with your bros from liquiddota. We all know people who don't play dota can't have a real opinion

The rules are simple:
1. If it's about dota, you're in the wrong place
2. Posting funny pics/vids is not okay, posting pics vids to start a discussion is fine(even if you fail at getting a discussion started, at least you tried)
3. All forum rules still apply
4. Actual posts about weather are somewhat discouraged n_n

So, How bout dem apples?
[image loading]


And my first post would be "I like my apples shiny and crunchy".
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 24 2014 08:28 GMT
#265
Damn I thought a good title would be "So, how are you doing today LD"

I guess it's a bit long though.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
November 24 2014 08:31 GMT
#266
im more surprised it wasnt about ponies
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 24 2014 08:38 GMT
#267
On November 24 2014 17:31 icystorage wrote:
im more surprised it wasnt about ponies

Applejack is in the background
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
November 24 2014 08:43 GMT
#268
On November 24 2014 13:50 Jinxed wrote:
Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them).


just wanted to say I think this is a really really good idea. Also Plexa who should we contact if we want to offer our assistance? I might have missed it but I don't think I saw anything like that here so far.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 24 2014 08:52 GMT
#269
If you guys decide to make the offtopic thread a thing plz let me know. I d love to post the OP with added candy aand hookers and whatever rules u wanna add.

Fuck i can even moderate it for you. Targe will attest my admin skills are top class
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 24 2014 08:56 GMT
#270
On November 24 2014 17:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 13:50 Jinxed wrote:
Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them).


just wanted to say I think this is a really really good idea. Also Plexa who should we contact if we want to offer our assistance? I might have missed it but I don't think I saw anything like that here so far.

Generally speaking, you can shoot any staff member a PM. However PM'ing me is always a safe bet :D
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28088 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 09:00:37
November 24 2014 09:00 GMT
#271
On November 24 2014 17:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 13:50 Jinxed wrote:
Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them).


just wanted to say I think this is a really really good idea. Also Plexa who should we contact if we want to offer our assistance? I might have missed it but I don't think I saw anything like that here so far.

I think I said if anyone wants to help out let me know earlier in the thread. But you can contact anyone on staff to be honest. Plexa is a good option.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
November 24 2014 09:05 GMT
#272
On November 24 2014 18:00 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 17:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
On November 24 2014 13:50 Jinxed wrote:
Seriously speaking, one thing that I would personally want to see is more emphasis on the community members that stream. I think that the best way to do this is to firstly separate the Teams and Players section into two subsections. One for Teams and the discussion about them, and then have the second for individual players. The individual players section would act as a stream threads section as well, allowing users here to advertise their streams, as well as would have a listing and discussion of featured streams on the site. Then maybe we could get rid of a number of the random streams that are listed on the sidebar (because, seriously having over 10 viewers is the dumbest requirement for that. I have no idea who half these people are and even less desire to watch the overwhelming majority of them).


just wanted to say I think this is a really really good idea. Also Plexa who should we contact if we want to offer our assistance? I might have missed it but I don't think I saw anything like that here so far.

I think I said if anyone wants to help out let me know earlier in the thread. But you can contact anyone on staff to be honest. Plexa is a good option.


ah thanks and sorry I must have missed it. So many pages of reading this is why I wasn't good at mafia. lol
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 10:51:51
November 24 2014 10:51 GMT
#273
On November 20 2014 14:50 Acritter wrote:
Speaking for a moment about strategy. News is a different subject.

DOTA2 is a pretty godawful topic to write strategy guides on. No matter how good you are at writing it up, you've got to expect all your hard work to be invalidated one patch later. Oh, you want to write a section on how to deal with your build's counterpicks? Three months later you'll seem quaint at best and clueless at worst. It isn't the same way for SC2 or Hearthstone. The Blizzard balancing model has its flaws, but it does allow for a lot more stability. As a total scrub, you can take an old SC2 build or Hearthstone netdeck and expect it to perform decently well for you. Hell, for anyone trying to learn Protoss, I still start off teaching them the 4gate as a manageable introduction to the game, and that's been a joke for years. The closest thing we have to something eternal is that "Art of Support" thing. That was fairly solid, and it was solid because it deliberately avoided saying anything specific apart from pull times and the like. But let's be honest. It's almost never by means of learning grand notions of theory and practicing last-hitting ad nauseum that you get good at this game. It's by finding out little tricks to the game and drilling them into muscle memory that you improve.

The only time I can remember seeing a glut of guides for this game was the DotA Allstars days, back on Pendragon's forums before he shut it down in favor of League. And guess what? Most of those guides were terrible! There was no community to speak of, there was no matchmaking, and chances are that outside of inhouse leagues you'd be playing with scrubs and leavers every game. So Merlini's guide to Zeus that taught a bunch of stuff that should be obvious (seriously, by modern standards it was pretty basic) was revelatory in that light. Hell, just reading that stupid-simple guide to Zeus got me to the point where he was my best hero. But those days are gone, because everyone can just subscribe to Torte's builds instead. There's no room for that kind of guide any longer, where the content is basically just skill build and item build with some extra words tossed in. For fairness, though, I will note that the old Warding guide was pretty damn excellent.

So what do we have left? Basically, the tips and tricks. You can't write the kind of detailed guides that we expect out of, say, SC2 build orders for those. It's a totally different field, but it's still really important. Some of them are even impossible to describe. How do you actually know when you have potentially lethal damage, and when do you hold back and run? You can do the math, but generally on the spot you just have a sense for it, and that can't be taught. You might be expecting I have a proper answer for this, after typing it all out, but I don't. It's not an easy problem to solve, not in any way that will get a new audience showing up. Hell, I half expect I'm wrong about all of this, and the real problem is nobody giving a shit.

Whatever. Game is hard.


lol
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 11:12:41
November 24 2014 11:12 GMT
#274
99% of the opinions here about DotA are wrong and the other 1% that are correct are most likely only correct accidentally.

DotA forums suck - talking about DotA in general sucks and on top of that I haven't seen a single intelligible post on these forums for a long time that's been DotA related, except for this one

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/452534-ability-draft-thread?page=35#696
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 11:14:45
November 24 2014 11:14 GMT
#275
That sounds really negative so I'll throw out that I don't normally post in the threads or read most of them after having read enough to realize what every thread will be so I'm not like some fat kid eating a disgusting cake while whining about how disgusting it is

Off topic threads own though so maybe I should just go back to TL or maybe I'll make my own forum and just post my own thoughts and argue with myself on alts.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
November 24 2014 11:40 GMT
#276
wasnt there an off-topic discussion thread in the pre-tavern ages?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 24 2014 14:31 GMT
#277
On November 24 2014 20:40 ahswtini wrote:
wasnt there an off-topic discussion thread in the pre-tavern ages?

Yes, Finest Hour started it right after GD got closed due to people intentionally posting shit in the thread to get it closed.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 24 2014 14:40 GMT
#278
On November 24 2014 23:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 20:40 ahswtini wrote:
wasnt there an off-topic discussion thread in the pre-tavern ages?

Yes, Finest Hour started it right after GD got closed due to people intentionally posting shit in the thread to get it closed.

It was started way earlier, had little success and is where people went when GD was closed, and it in turn got closed when tavern got released
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 24 2014 15:08 GMT
#279
yeah the off topic had nothing to do with attempts to get gd shut down
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 24 2014 15:22 GMT
#280
Everybody just talked dota in it anyway
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