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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On September 23 2014 10:33 SiskosGoatee wrote: - "weakerly" is a perfectly acceptable adverbial form of "weaker". Like with any adjective, you can turn the comparative into an adverb. It's hard to take you seriously when you defend this as a word when it clearly isn't one. Like with English, there are few rules that are true in all cases. Whilst I agree with the sentiment in parts of your blog the aggressive tone and poor writing really don't help your case. On September 23 2014 08:30 SiskosGoatee wrote: I've yet to see a caster who's actually spot on with the amount of hype of uncertainty... Big shoutout to RotterdaM for always keeping the appropriate level of hype going. Way to contradict your initial hyperbole. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On September 23 2014 13:55 SiskosGoatee wrote: It has citations on Dictionary.com, The Free Dictionary, and Wiktionary amongst others. "To recalcitrate" is a word, that you didn't know of its existence doesn't make it less of a word and if you had simply taken the time to google it you'd find out it's a word listed in dictionaries. + Show Spoiler [mhm] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9gY56qJ.png) + Show Spoiler [uh huh] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7YTwPFz.png) I'll have to do more research, and later, may retract my indictment of your spelling in the future, but something about the sources seems fishy to me. I'm going to have to consult a concurrent 2014 paper dictionary. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On September 23 2014 14:31 Scarecrow wrote: Of course it's a word, what else should I have said "the more-weakly skilled player"? "the weaker skilled player?"It's hard to take you seriously when you defend this as a word when it clearly isn't one. Like with English, there are few rules that are true in all cases. Whilst I agree with the sentiment in parts of your blog the aggressive tone and poor writing really don't help your case. The word weakerly is very common in physics literature where "weak" is a technical term, or in Linguistics where it is too. For isntance: http://ethesys.lib.fcu.edu.tw/ETD-search/view_etd?URN=etd-0109103-194539 You can find tonnes of literature using the word. Well, that's the thing of a hyperbole isn't it? They tend to be contradicted because they're exaggerated for the sake of dramatic style. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On September 23 2014 14:37 ninazerg wrote: Google corrects all sorts of words that aren't common but still exist. Recalcitrant is an adjective derived from the verb recalcitrate. The word may be uncommon, but it definitely exists.+ Show Spoiler [mhm] + + Show Spoiler [uh huh] + I'll have to do more research, and later, may retract my indictment of your spelling in the future, but something about the sources seems fishy to me. I'm going to have to consult a concurrent 2014 paper dictionary. Hell, google is known to sometimes correct "do" to "don't" in your search term because more people searched the opposite. Google's correction algorithm is purely based on the number of times people search for it. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On September 23 2014 14:57 SiskosGoatee wrote: Of course it's a word, what else should I have said "the more-weakly skilled player"? "the weaker skilled player?" The word weakerly is very common in physics literature where "weak" is a technical term, or in Linguistics where it is too. For isntance: http://ethesys.lib.fcu.edu.tw/ETD-search/view_etd?URN=etd-0109103-194539 You can find tonnes of literature using the word. So much literature that the best proof you can find is some Taiwanese masters thesis on accounting. Try finding it in an actual dictionary.'The weaker player' or 'the lesser skilled player' would've been fine. Making up words isn't a capital offense but it's rare to see someone so determined to defend them. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:17 Scarecrow wrote: Dictionaries seldom list inflected forms of words. Dictionary.com also doesn't list 'sleeps" for instance.So much literature that the best proof you can find is some Taiwanese masters thesis on accounting. Try finding it in an actual dictionary. 'The weaker player' or 'the lesser skilled player' would've been fine. Making up words isn't a capital offense but it's rare to see someone so determined to defend them. Because I didn't make it up, I've seen the word before plenty of times.I will admit though that when I google the word about 80% of its occurrences seem to be particle physics and someone's name. And I studied physics, so that's probably where I picked it up, it doesn't seem to occur a lot outside of physics and some linguistics literature when I google it. Edit, a better alternative than lesser would be "weaklier", not sure if you also deny the existence of that? | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:22 SiskosGoatee wrote: Dictionaries seldom list inflected forms of words. Dictionary.com also doesn't list 'sleeps" for instance. Because I didn't make it up, I've seen the word before plenty of times. Edit, a better alternative than lesser would be "weaklier", not sure if you also deny the existence of that? Why assume I'd deny the existence of a far more legitimate word? Regardless, as you said, weakerly is pretty much exclusive to particle physics' abuse of the language unless it does fulfill a specific role in that particular field. In which case I wasn't aware your blog was on physics. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
"This whole "There's not a chance this attack will be held." or "Not a chance he will hold the third." before the attack even starts start to recalcitrate upon me because every time it happens you know it's like 50% chance. " Let's condense it to make it less difficult to read: "This whole predictions before the attack even starts start to recalcitrate upon me because every time it happens you know it's like 50% chance." Recalcitrate is a verb, either transitive or intransitive, that means "to kick back/out/against", usually to suggest opposition. Let's look at your sentence without modifying it to what I think it means. You are saying that the predictions start to kick out or oppose 'upon' you. I'm not even sure what you want to mean. Not only do you use an odd preposition in "upon", you are saying that the predictions are against you, as a person, instead of your own predictions. Perhaps the predictions are against your own thoughts and predictions, or are in opposition to what actually happens. However, for the latter case, the word still doesn't make sense unless you mean the casters are obstinately defending such a prediction despite the outcome. While a prediction can arguably be recalcitrant towards a prevailing thought or expectation, a prediction cannot recalcitrate an outcome since the outcome is undetermined. However, that's not what you meant. You are saying that the predictions somehow oppose upon you. Even as metaphorical language it doesn't fit in your sentence. Perhaps you meant that the predictions upset, repulse, or annoy you. Using the same word in a similar context, the sentence could have been: "The outcome of games often recalcitrate against the casters predictions." However, changing to a more appropriate word allows you to mean what you actually want to mean: "This whole tendency to make predictions before the fight even begins starts to repulse me because they only get it right 50% of the time." Since we're being nitpicky, might as well mention that the preposition should be against not upon, your S-V agreement between "whole" and "start" is questionable, and your use of the word 'start' twice is unfortunate. Also, it's usually correct to use more + adverb, instead of adding +er. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:00 SiskosGoatee wrote: Google corrects all sorts of words that aren't common but still exist. Recalcitrant is an adjective derived from the verb recalcitrate. The word may be uncommon, but it definitely exists. Hell, google is known to sometimes correct "do" to "don't" in your search term because more people searched the opposite. Google's correction algorithm is purely based on the number of times people search for it. Look. If you google "Recalcitrant used in a sentence", you get examples. You can get a quote of Winston Churchill using it. If you google "Recalcitrate used in a sentence", you get a lot of definition pages, almost as if some weirdo went around posting it on all the dictionary sites because he wanted to make a word or list an outdated word. "Recalcitrant" is in my 2001 Merriam-Webster dictionary, whereas "Recalcitrate" is not in there, nor mentioned. Spell-checker recognizes "Recalcitrant", which is obscure in its own right, but does not recognize "Recalcitrate". The case you're making, which is "Well, you can find the word on the internet, therefore it exists" is less compelling when I can't find any contemporary utilization of this term. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
high fives for everyone? o/ | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
first impressions last and all | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
most of the people I know don't bother listening to casters or when they do it's only to make fun of the fake hype, while a better discussion over the games happens in chats. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia1004 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On September 23 2014 13:55 SiskosGoatee wrote: Even the King James Version, the most authoritative and defining work of modern English uses the style. This dude just cited the bible. Thread is over, he wins. Take your loss like a man, ninazerg. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1098 Posts
So as a battle goes on, a caster should not be predicting the outcome, instead, the play-by-play man should be describing the battle. Then immediately after the battle, an analytical caster can jump in and explain why one side won the fight and the other lost. He can then provide some possibilities of what each player might do next. You certainly don't want to call attention to a game being over because you want your audience to keep watching. At the same time, you shouldn't really be hyping a done game. When it comes to a done game, I think the casters should be looking for any possible outs that the losing player might still have. I'd also say that asking questions like, "Can Flash do this?" is reasonable given then you aren't putting too much hype into your voice. So I mostly agree on your first point as well as "passing your opinions as facts". Foreigner bias... who cares? The English casters are catering to an English audience where the foreigners are usually the fan favorites. The hometown casting duo for a baseball game are biased too, but that's almost a part of the job description. Metagaming Bullshit Don't ever watch a business channel on TV try to explain why stocks/commodities went up or down. These experts will tell you why stocks went up one day. The next day they'll give you the exact same reason for why stocks went down. Why did Reason X make the stocks go up today, but made it go down yesterday? Because they're trying to kill time. The ability to fill dead time with babble is a bonus that creates a friendlier atmosphere between the casters and the audience. For some, like Tastosis, they are good at that babble and people get interested in what they have to say even if they aren't interested in the game. For some casters that are more known for being analytical, that babble becomes Metagaming BS. Underappreciation of Zerg and Racial Bias I do agree that if you want to cast full-time, you should probably start playing random (or changing your race every day/week/month) so that you can provide insight into every matchup. However, it's quite difficult to play all three races at a high enough level to be able to provide insight into any one of them. Unlike traditional sports, the game is still constantly evolving and Artosis's Zerg knowledge from 2010-2011 is now worthless. Former pro knowledge tends to become worthless in 3 months of dropping out of the competitive scene. Maybe if the game settles into normalcy after 5 years without a patch, then we might be able to get some casters who can really analyze all matchups of the game. Language Language is meant to convey ideas. If the idea has been conveyed, then the rest is just bullshit your English teacher made you memorize. Nearly every English speaker in America pronounces it "layer" instead of "l-air". I had to look that one up to know WTF you were whining about. The rest of your complaints in this section are pointless because the message is being properly conveyed. | ||
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