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MLG Smash Quest Conclusion - Page 3

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 21:42:08
June 24 2014 21:34 GMT
#41
Yeah, Smash really stole the show at this MLG. You could hear it on the SCII stream Days 1 and 2. Ax and his Pikachu were pretty awesome to watch amongst all the Falcos and Foxes. Definitely impressive display and the 300+ man open bracket really was great.

I think about 25% - 50% of the SCII audience was watching smash between games (thanks BattleNet!). Definitely do it again MLG, just don't get rid of SCII to do it. Maybe get rid of COD just because one of those idiots called in a bomb threat to sick SWAT on MLG and another drunk COD guy started a fight in the SCII VIP section. :p
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
June 24 2014 21:46 GMT
#42
On June 25 2014 01:30 BrTarolg wrote:
GJ hotbid!

Though i totally agree with shreik (though not quite as harsh haha) that the analogy of being a masters player is noooowhere near close


yeah I agree

KDJ might 3 stock you but he'd also 3 stock people who would in turn 3 stock you. it's deceptive because unless you recognize what the top players are thinking about at certain moments, they don't look as many leagues ahead as they really are. especially if they don't play a super technical fox/falco, then it just looks like "hey i could ftilt -> fair as sheik that's not so hard i bet i'm right up there". people tend to focus on the tech skill and how hard punishes are and call it a wrap because it's pretty damn hard to understand smash's neutral game, which is where most of the difference lies.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 25 2014 00:31 GMT
#43
On June 25 2014 00:46 ShrieK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 10:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 24 2014 09:18 ShrieK wrote:
I never met anyone who couldn't grind their way to be Masters in SC2. .


Then there's a lot of people you haven't met.

Care to link me to some profiles of people with 10,000 solo games who are still in diamond??

Why is it surprising that people with 10,000 'games' experience become pretty good? Isn't that normal in any field of endeavor? Grinding (sustained practice is a better term) is how you get good at anything. Some people might do it in a lot less games but however long it takes it's still an achievement. I know a couple of guys with huge game counts that can't get out of plat, but it's usually because they're too stubborn to learn and blame the game/balance.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 25 2014 02:24 GMT
#44
Great read, made me wanna play SSBM again.
ॐ
Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 02:30:18
June 25 2014 02:28 GMT
#45
I knew you were going to win this bet and I am glad you did. I am terrible at the game but I love watching it because I can reminisce back to middle school where I played with my best friends every morning right before school starts for 30mins.
Will we ever get to see the KDJ video beating you guys 1v3?
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
June 25 2014 02:35 GMT
#46
Great read !
Maybe I should check out some of the local smash tourneys aswell ;3
Caster man does casting on yt/RiquizCasts
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 25 2014 04:21 GMT
#47
So who is better you or qxc?
Jaedong :3
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
June 25 2014 05:39 GMT
#48
On June 25 2014 00:46 ShrieK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 10:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 24 2014 09:18 ShrieK wrote:
I never met anyone who couldn't grind their way to be Masters in SC2. .


Then there's a lot of people you haven't met.

Care to link me to some profiles of people with 10,000 solo games who are still in diamond??


My friend has played over 1500 1v1s (in only a year) and only managed to get promoted to silver in about the last 50 or so. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2925172/1/michaeldittz/
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
June 25 2014 09:29 GMT
#49
On June 25 2014 06:46 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 01:30 BrTarolg wrote:
GJ hotbid!

Though i totally agree with shreik (though not quite as harsh haha) that the analogy of being a masters player is noooowhere near close


yeah I agree

KDJ might 3 stock you but he'd also 3 stock people who would in turn 3 stock you. it's deceptive because unless you recognize what the top players are thinking about at certain moments, they don't look as many leagues ahead as they really are. especially if they don't play a super technical fox/falco, then it just looks like "hey i could ftilt -> fair as sheik that's not so hard i bet i'm right up there". people tend to focus on the tech skill and how hard punishes are and call it a wrap because it's pretty damn hard to understand smash's neutral game, which is where most of the difference lies.

ah i wasn't really making a comparison based on relative difficulty but rather relative skill

basically i meant that i was OK at the game but far from elite, the gap between low masters and GM in smash is much harder to bridge based on a lot of reasons i stated in the blog
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
June 25 2014 15:55 GMT
#50
Great job on smash, but i miss moar interviews
I am not good with quotes
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 25 2014 16:35 GMT
#51
It's really hard to play when the conditions are so cold and you aren't warmed up, it makes me appreciate what the pros do even more.

No handwarmers? Rookie mistake.

Awesome read, smash is a truly awesome game, and if I had people to play with or you know, a TV... or a console... or any free hours in the day left etc, I'd totally be tempted to try to learn after all the cool smash things happening lately haha

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Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
June 25 2014 17:14 GMT
#52
On June 25 2014 09:31 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 00:46 ShrieK wrote:
On June 24 2014 10:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 24 2014 09:18 ShrieK wrote:
I never met anyone who couldn't grind their way to be Masters in SC2. .


Then there's a lot of people you haven't met.

Care to link me to some profiles of people with 10,000 solo games who are still in diamond??

Why is it surprising that people with 10,000 'games' experience become pretty good? Isn't that normal in any field of endeavor? Grinding (sustained practice is a better term) is how you get good at anything. Some people might do it in a lot less games but however long it takes it's still an achievement. I know a couple of guys with huge game counts that can't get out of plat, but it's usually because they're too stubborn to learn and blame the game/balance.

IMO 10,000 Melee games is about what it would take to get "silver" in Melee. Given, a StarCraft game is about 5 times longer, I think 10,000 is a reasonable number. I could 4 stock most people who have played 3,000 hours of Melee and I don't think I am near a "GM" level.

My friend has played over 1500 1v1s (in only a year) and only managed to get promoted to silver in about the last 50 or so. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2925172/1/michaeldittz/
1,500 games is about 1/7 of what I asked for -.-
If he continued going up one league every 1,500 games, he would be on pace for grinding out to be in Masters' by 10,000 games.
Fight Fire with ShrieK
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 18:17:01
June 25 2014 18:16 GMT
#53
Getting whomped by superior players is certainly an eye opening experience. I started out thinking that I'm the shit because I would be winning most games at home versus people with poor tech skill. Then, after attending my first tournament I understood where I truly lied on the spectrum. Meeting some really good smashers and playing with them once or twice a week has also helped my game immensely solely on the advice I have received. Melee is probably also the only game besides Brood War that has made me love the nature of competitive gaming, so it's very refreshing to play.

Thanks for this blog, good read.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 25 2014 22:48 GMT
#54
I'm looking for a game with less build up than SC2 or D2 but with equal depth. I'm kind of inspired - watched the documentary etc, but you have to play this game locally? Can you emulate it with a controller and a PC and play online? I don't know anybody who plays and I know my friends wouldn't keep up enough to keep me challenged with local play
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
June 26 2014 01:49 GMT
#55
On June 26 2014 07:48 bardtown wrote:
I'm looking for a game with less build up than SC2 or D2 but with equal depth. I'm kind of inspired - watched the documentary etc, but you have to play this game locally? Can you emulate it with a controller and a PC and play online? I don't know anybody who plays and I know my friends wouldn't keep up enough to keep me challenged with local play


There are weeklies in a lot of places, you'll have to look around. I don't recommend playing on a PC, you'll have to buy a GC / Wii and maybe a CRT television and just start playing.
Learn the game by watching endless videos and copying what they do (or trying to), and just grind tech skill on your own. Weeklies are where you'll improve
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
June 26 2014 02:11 GMT
#56
Playing on PC is fine when it's your only option or your local scene isn't that good or you just don't have time to drive out somewhere for a whole evening at a time. HotBid actually mostly played on netplay. It'll take awhile to get used to the CRT when you do go to fests/tourneys though.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
June 26 2014 11:40 GMT
#57
I bet the sole one star that this blog got was Adam.
Hyugalisk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1 Post
June 27 2014 01:51 GMT
#58
Hi Hot_Bid, it's Sheridan from the bracket! I really enjoyed reading your story and was glad you came out the victor especially since I come from a long line of Michiganders myself. Also I'm glad you had a sense of humor about me hitting you with that kind of trollish rest way off stage that one game (let's be honest though it was sick as fuck).

Thanks to you and everyone else at TL for everything you guys have done to help our community grow, hope you find the time to keep playing and improving at Melee.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12236 Posts
June 27 2014 02:44 GMT
#59
Cool blog, nice story. Congratulations on sticking it to those guys HB :> I've always read about how supposedly "deep" Melee is and when watching it I never quite got how that could be, but seeing reputable figures like you and pros who can compare it to games that I do understand help me to establish a reference point.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 27 2014 07:48 GMT
#60
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