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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
May 12 2014 11:36 GMT
#21
I've always thought its about time there's a separate dota site from TL. I used to follow SC2 a lot but since TI2 I've almost exclusively came to TL for dota news. the design looks awesome too!
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
May 12 2014 12:19 GMT
#22
On May 12 2014 19:22 Julmust wrote:
...
TL;DR
We have a chance of building something for ourselves here!


But you're taking away what we built in the community threads. =/
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 12 2014 12:24 GMT
#23
On May 12 2014 19:27 kaleidoscope wrote:
neat.. why does the design for liquiddota looks nicer than teamliquid..

because i'm crazy. for serious.
Administrator
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 12 2014 12:38 GMT
#24
On May 12 2014 19:22 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 18:33 Otolia wrote:
LiquidDotA probably never will have a Health and Fitness sub-forum, nor will it know the weirdness of KMD. All you are achieving right now and taking away the history of the website.

It's a choice alright; but it's a terrible one and the argumentation of the potential usefulness of having separate communities without intersections is very dehumanized and I can't understand how it made its way into TL.


Don't say that. Ok KMD might seem far fetched but with LiquidDota we have a chance to form our own community with our own weird threads.

I'm staff both here and on TL so I've known about this for quite some time and I've been in the discussions surrounding this. At first I was, like most people here, very hesitant to this change. I too saw it as splitting up what TL is. What made me change my mind was a post saying that with LD we can build something on our own, while still having the awesome back end support that TL has to offer. Right now we are basically where TL was pre SC2. You have a shot at getting to know people in the forum. Sometimes when talking to other people they will bring out a great post and I will go into the thread, read the great post and realize that the guy in question has 10k posts and this is the first one I can remember reading. There's not going to be a new Konadora (for example) on a site with SC2 and Dota.

The problem on TL was that it was getting so incredibly crowded. Not just the release schedule for the writers which, from what I gather, was kind of a nightmare at times. Look at the forum sidebar here. It actually gives me a overview of what's going on. I don't have to scroll a mile tog view all the forums. I've already started remembering names. Look at the blog section, I laughed so hard yesterday following all the blogs about change and combo breakers. TL with SC2 and Dota would move so fast that something like that could never have happened. Not to speak about the calendar. Now I can know when Alliance is playing Navi so I don't have to sit through RoX.KIS playing hehe (two first non absolute top tier teams I could come up with, no disrepect to those teams).

So give LiquidDota 6 months, that's all I think anyone could ask, and I think you will look back at it and realize you wouldn't want to go back. I'll still keep reading TL.net and I'll also use LD.com. It's the same as having one news source for american football and one for football.

TL;DR
We have a chance of building something for ourselves here!

But what if I want to discuss the World Cup with people that watch DotA and those who watch primarly SC2 ?! Razing everything to built anew may seem enticing but it's also a daunting task and presenting newcomers to a barren General Forum without any pointers as to how they are expected to behave isn't useful at all.

Time will tell but there is a clear need for adjustment regarding General. I don't want TL to turn into Curse network where everybody minds its own business and rake the money. We are different because we didn't forgot where we came from. Don't take our history away.

PS : I swear I'll write a SJW blog if need be !
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 12:40:21
May 12 2014 12:40 GMT
#25
pointing newcomers to a highly populated and complex general forum and expecting them to know the cliques and injokes and thread specific rules isn't exactly useful, either.
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 12 2014 12:49 GMT
#26
On May 12 2014 21:40 opterown wrote:
pointing newcomers to a highly populated and complex general forum and expecting them to know the cliques and injokes and thread specific rules isn't exactly useful, either.

Then what if we took it upon ourselves to create a welcoming environment without forgetting to mention TL's history ? After all, a community is only what we put into it.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
May 12 2014 14:17 GMT
#27
On May 12 2014 20:10 opterown wrote:
liquibets are in the works TM, although there are more pressing issues like forum bugs, TLPD and stuff first.


Is that a TLPD for dota? If so is there any way to help out?
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 12 2014 14:26 GMT
#28
I want to help out too.
I need to raise my spam rate, I mean post count, I mean contribute.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
May 12 2014 18:13 GMT
#29
Really like the change! New forum, calendar, etc looks amazing! Love the team icons too

sick humblebrag about being staff opti
Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
May 12 2014 18:32 GMT
#30
Thanks for doing this, this is a really well-done website!
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
May 13 2014 18:29 GMT
#31
On May 12 2014 21:38 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 19:22 Julmust wrote:
On May 12 2014 18:33 Otolia wrote:
LiquidDotA probably never will have a Health and Fitness sub-forum, nor will it know the weirdness of KMD. All you are achieving right now and taking away the history of the website.

It's a choice alright; but it's a terrible one and the argumentation of the potential usefulness of having separate communities without intersections is very dehumanized and I can't understand how it made its way into TL.


Don't say that. Ok KMD might seem far fetched but with LiquidDota we have a chance to form our own community with our own weird threads.

I'm staff both here and on TL so I've known about this for quite some time and I've been in the discussions surrounding this. At first I was, like most people here, very hesitant to this change. I too saw it as splitting up what TL is. What made me change my mind was a post saying that with LD we can build something on our own, while still having the awesome back end support that TL has to offer. Right now we are basically where TL was pre SC2. You have a shot at getting to know people in the forum. Sometimes when talking to other people they will bring out a great post and I will go into the thread, read the great post and realize that the guy in question has 10k posts and this is the first one I can remember reading. There's not going to be a new Konadora (for example) on a site with SC2 and Dota.

The problem on TL was that it was getting so incredibly crowded. Not just the release schedule for the writers which, from what I gather, was kind of a nightmare at times. Look at the forum sidebar here. It actually gives me a overview of what's going on. I don't have to scroll a mile tog view all the forums. I've already started remembering names. Look at the blog section, I laughed so hard yesterday following all the blogs about change and combo breakers. TL with SC2 and Dota would move so fast that something like that could never have happened. Not to speak about the calendar. Now I can know when Alliance is playing Navi so I don't have to sit through RoX.KIS playing hehe (two first non absolute top tier teams I could come up with, no disrepect to those teams).

So give LiquidDota 6 months, that's all I think anyone could ask, and I think you will look back at it and realize you wouldn't want to go back. I'll still keep reading TL.net and I'll also use LD.com. It's the same as having one news source for american football and one for football.

TL;DR
We have a chance of building something for ourselves here!

But what if I want to discuss the World Cup with people that watch DotA and those who watch primarly SC2 ?! Razing everything to built anew may seem enticing but it's also a daunting task and presenting newcomers to a barren General Forum without any pointers as to how they are expected to behave isn't useful at all.

Time will tell but there is a clear need for adjustment regarding General. I don't want TL to turn into Curse network where everybody minds its own business and rake the money. We are different because we didn't forgot where we came from. Don't take our history away.

PS : I swear I'll write a SJW blog if need be !


I'm waiting for the SJW blog.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
May 13 2014 23:01 GMT
#32
LiquidDota is the shit imo, the new calendar/events/stream tabs are amazing and the content that has been produced since launch has been top notch (Emu do you even sleep?).

Opterown was on point when he said (paraphrasing) differentiating TeamLiquid from LiquidDota and having to use both separately is akin to using both r/starcraft and r/dota2 if you're a fan of both games.

I personally love the change and am looking forward to LiquidDota developing it's own unique culture and continuing to grow!
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