• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:15
CEST 00:15
KST 07:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview25Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates7GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Cheeseadelphia 2025 - Open Bracket LAN! $25,000+ WardiTV 2025 Series
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I made an ASL quiz [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 1
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Monster Hunter Wilds
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22573 users

TB,LearningSC2 - Pick Race

Blogs > TedBurtle
Post a Reply
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 01 2014 15:44 GMT
#1
So..now i'm on the step number one of my SC2 road - PICK A RACE.
Terran not in the list. It's Protoss vs Zerg. I did 2 games versus medium AI today, recorded them. and then i advanced to almost last AI dificulty in matchmaking while juggling those races..
Check out this videos(zerg one is more silent because it's harder for me to comment)
1-st as Protoss : http://bit.ly/Se1ibk
2-nd as Zerg : http://bit.ly/1u9lglZ
And now i wanna your help guys, try to ansewer my questions:
1)I need to choose Zerg or Protoss?
2)Why?
3)What is your idea how to improve my skill and progress with race you ansewered in question 1?
4)Ansewer on question #3 is based on what you seen i can do in videos?
5)Didn't you changed your mind while ansewering 2,3,4

Looking forward for your help! Thank you TL Community <3 !!!

*
Unbeatable Protoss
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 01 2014 15:48 GMT
#2
Pick protoss if ur a masochist who likes being looked down upon for no reason by ~1/2 the community.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
YouthSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom355 Posts
May 01 2014 15:50 GMT
#3
Pick Zerg. It's more fun. And no I didn't watch the videos.
The more I practice, the luckier I get!
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 01 2014 15:51 GMT
#4
On May 02 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pick protoss if ur a masochist who likes being looked down upon for no reason by ~1/2 the community.

It's kinda because protoss looks easyer race? or why people hate toss? ))
Unbeatable Protoss
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 01 2014 15:52 GMT
#5
On May 02 2014 00:50 YouthSC wrote:
Pick Zerg. It's more fun. And no I didn't watch the videos.

Thanks for your vote
Unbeatable Protoss
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 15:57:29
May 01 2014 15:56 GMT
#6
On May 02 2014 00:51 TedBurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pick protoss if ur a masochist who likes being looked down upon for no reason by ~1/2 the community.

It's kinda because protoss looks easyer race? or why people hate toss? ))


I'd say the two are closely related.

Anyway, I play Toss, but I wouldn't recommand them. All the matchup have a similar feel to them, especially in lower leagues while I feel Zerg can be much more different and have more "fun" units to use, so I would recommend Zerg.
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1023 Posts
May 01 2014 16:40 GMT
#7
Protoss - More 'beefy' units, easier macro mechanics, as you progress up you'll start having to learn a lot of spellcasting micro/individual unit control. Match ups feel similar.

Pros: Lots of solid macro and all-in build orders. Easy to focus on macro/defense then get deathball and move out and win.
Cons: Community doesn't really like protoss because "it takes no skill".

Zerg - Less 'beefy' units, harder macro mechanics. As you progress the focus will be learning your macro cycle (drone/army timings and ratios). Less important to focus on spellcasting or individual unit control, more about army and worker timings, overall army positioning, getting surrounds and creep spreading until higher leagues. Matchs are diverse. ZvT, ZvP, and ZvZ all play out quite differently.

Pros: Very diverse build orders. Fits a variety of playstyles due to immense diversity in match ups.
Cons: Learning how to drone up to get econ advantage without dying can be frustrating. ZvZ can feel like coinflip.

____________________

I watch the videos. Personally I started by playing protoss (now I play random) but I would say play zerg. You can get better by finding some basic build order/timings for Zerg and trying to focus on meeting those benchmarks. A classic example is stephanos 12min roach max. This isnt really used in the metagame anymore but its a good example for how to watch a pro player do something and then emulate it. Just go to the zerg (or protoss) treads in the TL strategy forum for some builds. Then go play some games against AI or people and just try to have fun, whether you win or lose. Setting goals (not like winning, but say "i want to make sure i drone up and not miss injects) will help you see your progress despite the outcome of the game. Over time you'll just end up winning more and more and getting better. Some tips: try to keep your money low, this will come with better larvae injects. Remember to always have fun because games are supposed to be fun You'll get better over time.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 01 2014 17:41 GMT
#8
On May 02 2014 00:56 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2014 00:51 TedBurtle wrote:
On May 02 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pick protoss if ur a masochist who likes being looked down upon for no reason by ~1/2 the community.

It's kinda because protoss looks easyer race? or why people hate toss? ))


I'd say the two are closely related.

Anyway, I play Toss, but I wouldn't recommand them. All the matchup have a similar feel to them, especially in lower leagues while I feel Zerg can be much more different and have more "fun" units to use, so I would recommend Zerg.

Zerg is exponentially more fun in the lower leagues. The term, "A move race," is much more applicable just because neither player frankly has much of a concept of unit control. Until your opponents really start to split/micro, you can just giggle as mass lings wreaks havoc.
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 01 2014 21:43 GMT
#9
On May 02 2014 01:40 joshie0808 wrote:
Protoss - More 'beefy' units, easier macro mechanics, as you progress up you'll start having to learn a lot of spellcasting micro/individual unit control. Match ups feel similar.

Pros: Lots of solid macro and all-in build orders. Easy to focus on macro/defense then get deathball and move out and win.
Cons: Community doesn't really like protoss because "it takes no skill".

Zerg - Less 'beefy' units, harder macro mechanics. As you progress the focus will be learning your macro cycle (drone/army timings and ratios). Less important to focus on spellcasting or individual unit control, more about army and worker timings, overall army positioning, getting surrounds and creep spreading until higher leagues. Matchs are diverse. ZvT, ZvP, and ZvZ all play out quite differently.

Pros: Very diverse build orders. Fits a variety of playstyles due to immense diversity in match ups.
Cons: Learning how to drone up to get econ advantage without dying can be frustrating. ZvZ can feel like coinflip.

____________________

I watch the videos. Personally I started by playing protoss (now I play random) but I would say play zerg. You can get better by finding some basic build order/timings for Zerg and trying to focus on meeting those benchmarks. A classic example is stephanos 12min roach max. This isnt really used in the metagame anymore but its a good example for how to watch a pro player do something and then emulate it. Just go to the zerg (or protoss) treads in the TL strategy forum for some builds. Then go play some games against AI or people and just try to have fun, whether you win or lose. Setting goals (not like winning, but say "i want to make sure i drone up and not miss injects) will help you see your progress despite the outcome of the game. Over time you'll just end up winning more and more and getting better. Some tips: try to keep your money low, this will come with better larvae injects. Remember to always have fun because games are supposed to be fun You'll get better over time.

Thank you very much for the complete ansewer! I'll going on a raceday tommorow, and on saturday i'll think definataly i start Zerg =)
Unbeatable Protoss
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 01 2014 21:44 GMT
#10
On May 02 2014 02:41 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2014 00:56 SpiZe wrote:
On May 02 2014 00:51 TedBurtle wrote:
On May 02 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pick protoss if ur a masochist who likes being looked down upon for no reason by ~1/2 the community.

It's kinda because protoss looks easyer race? or why people hate toss? ))


I'd say the two are closely related.

Anyway, I play Toss, but I wouldn't recommand them. All the matchup have a similar feel to them, especially in lower leagues while I feel Zerg can be much more different and have more "fun" units to use, so I would recommend Zerg.

Zerg is exponentially more fun in the lower leagues. The term, "A move race," is much more applicable just because neither player frankly has much of a concept of unit control. Until your opponents really start to split/micro, you can just giggle as mass lings wreaks havoc.

Thx for a vote =) As i mentioned i think i'll start Zerg. Anyway no hard to switch for Toss later if i'll struggle.
Unbeatable Protoss
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
May 02 2014 05:50 GMT
#11
Zerg is way more varied and fun at lower leagues than Protoss, for sure. Protoss is just too one-dimentional and gimmicky, so in my opinion it takes a lot of the fun out of it.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
May 02 2014 14:02 GMT
#12
Protoss if you don't feel like grinding a ton to learn the mechanics and you are more focused on army control and timings and such. And don't mind the heat from terrans. You can't beat a terran and feel ok about it. But Zerg has the more iconic foreigners (at least imo) like Stephano, Vortix, TLO etc and the creator of the universe was Z. It feels nice to be on the same boat. I also feel like zerg is more fun but doing ok with Z will be more of a challenge initially, depending on your personal strenghts/weaknesses ofc.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 14:14:00
May 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#13
And why terran is off the table? The most fun race of all I think.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
May 02 2014 21:32 GMT
#14
real men play random
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 03 2014 05:20 GMT
#15
On May 02 2014 14:50 vult wrote:
Zerg is way more varied and fun at lower leagues than Protoss, for sure. Protoss is just too one-dimentional and gimmicky, so in my opinion it takes a lot of the fun out of it.

Thx for vote =) I decided to try zerg for sure, everyone can not be not right when everyone telling me that zerg is fun :D
Unbeatable Protoss
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 03 2014 05:22 GMT
#16
On May 02 2014 23:02 d00p wrote:
Protoss if you don't feel like grinding a ton to learn the mechanics and you are more focused on army control and timings and such. And don't mind the heat from terrans. You can't beat a terran and feel ok about it. But Zerg has the more iconic foreigners (at least imo) like Stephano, Vortix, TLO etc and the creator of the universe was Z. It feels nice to be on the same boat. I also feel like zerg is more fun but doing ok with Z will be more of a challenge initially, depending on your personal strenghts/weaknesses ofc.

Yeah, it will be nice personal test =)
Unbeatable Protoss
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
May 03 2014 05:22 GMT
#17
On May 02 2014 23:13 d00p wrote:
And why terran is off the table? The most fun race of all I think.

Maybe, but still i don't like human races in games
Unbeatable Protoss
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 2v2 ProLeague
19:00
Day 4
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 134
JuggernautJason106
UpATreeSC 94
ForJumy 54
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13183
TY 103
yabsab 42
Counter-Strike
fl0m5173
Stewie2K673
taco 412
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0870
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3155
Other Games
B2W.Neo585
FrodaN543
JimRising 355
mouzStarbuck125
Trikslyr76
ZombieGrub70
ViBE61
Mew2King59
KnowMe39
RuFF_SC221
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2985
Other Games
BasetradeTV68
StarCraft 2
angryscii 23
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH67
• davetesta35
• musti20045 26
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki24
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22077
• Ler129
League of Legends
• TFBlade1319
• Shiphtur568
Other Games
• imaqtpie1113
• Scarra492
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 45m
CranKy Ducklings
11h 45m
Bellum Gens Elite
11h 45m
SC Evo League
13h 45m
Fire Grow Cup
16h 45m
CSO Contender
18h 45m
BSL: ProLeague
19h 45m
StRyKeR vs MadiNho
Cross vs UltrA
TT1 vs JDConan
Bonyth vs Sziky
Replay Cast
1d 1h
SOOP Global
1d 4h
Creator vs Rogue
Cure vs Classic
SOOP
1d 10h
Classic vs GuMiho
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
AllThingsProtoss
1d 12h
Fire Grow Cup
1d 16h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 19h
HBO vs Doodle
spx vs Tech
DragOn vs Hawk
Dewalt vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
herO vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
2025 GSL S2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.