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hi
my monster is experiencing sc for the first time and loving it
i wonder if i'm being a bad grufalo allowing him.. my better half seems adamant that i am ruining chances of him doing "other" stuff.. possibly ruining his life really
i waited "patiently" 2 years to get "talk/sense" out of his speech, i waited 4 before he was allowed "angry birds" .. now i feel a little better for being "free"er and i am (possibly wrongfully) relieved that from now on i will never have to refrain him anymore, ever
there is no such thing as "experience", it is a lantern enlightening only the past, never what the future holds for us or indeed our kin
i have the "honesty" to declare that i don't know how my kid will deal with stuff from video games
i know i play ball, karting, bricks, drawing learning to read/write .. acrobats and rougher fights etc too
with him, making him discover everything is important, no conflict there
so.. why try and refrain his access.. indeed, to anything (+ Show Spoiler +no! no p rn of course u minger, s.. the thoughts in some people...
i was already teaching him the credit/banking system when he was 1..
"see here i'm giving the nice lady a bit of plastic .. so she can asks the bank to give her money i have there" (credit card)
everyone (since i started with this "kids are smart, never dumb stuff down for them")
has always rolled their eyes sideways or been supportive
there is no doubt in my mind that the 7 year old mark is important
by 7 the kid must be ready
he must know about important stuff, he must be cognitive and know that he is capable of things, incapable of other things
sc is good for that, no?
maybe the whole "killing/destroying comes a bit early.. mmmkay or does it not come late already?
fun:
he likes all three races .. or was that the result of my heavy handed lobbying ? i'll never know
his favorite dialog: "butter my biscuit!"
  
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I played Command & Conquer and StarCraft when I was six, and I turned out fine. It's only one person, I know, but I felt like telling you anyway.
Just make damn sure you help him in school. Help him with his homework, ask him how he's doing (in a nice way so that he isn't scared to tell you), and if he is struggling, help him out. And talk to him about things he is going to encounter in life so that he can deal with them, like girls hitting on him, bad teachers, the school workload, and so on.
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Started SC when I was 6, other games even before that. My dad encouraged my hobby by buying a computer for me and some of the games that I ended up playing.
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You're not being a bad grufalo, but just make sure you take care of your monster.
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I started playing quake 3 when I was 8 years old, that may be too soon, just saying
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Norway28727 Posts
playing challenging games from a young age is good. I think you're best off restricting it to single player with a 5 year old though.  I also think first person shooter games should be avoided when you're that young, imo they should pretty much all be avoided until kids are ~10. but starcraft is great, it's very challenging and not really that much more violent than chess. Most grindy games should be avoided too I think, cuz they're just too much of a timesink compared to the reward - you prolly develop more by doing practically anything than you do from 500 hours of single player diablo 3.
Like, I really don't think there's any point in forcing your kid to go play in the sandbox instead of playing minecraft, but you must be cautious that minecraft doesn't make your kid play 10 hours straight in the sandbox - which he normally would find boring.
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If anything a mentally challenging game like SC will help him develop and improve a multitude of things. It will quite literally make him smarter provided he isnt just randomly clicking shit.
All good things in moderation, however.
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On March 10 2014 00:02 enord wrote:hi my monster is experiencing sc for the first time and loving it i wonder if i'm being a bad grufalo allowing him.. my better half seems adamant that i am ruining chances of him doing "other" stuff.. possibly ruining his life really i waited "patiently" 2 years to get "talk/sense" out of his speech, i waited 4 before he was allowed "angry birds" .. now i feel a little better for being "free"er and i am (possibly wrongfully) relieved that from now on i will never have to refrain him anymore, ever there is no such thing as "experience", it is a lantern enlightening only the past, never what the future holds for us or indeed our kin i have the "honesty" to declare that i don't know how my kid will deal with stuff from video games i know i play ball, karting, bricks, drawing learning to read/write .. acrobats and rougher fights etc too with him, making him discover everything is important, no conflict there so.. why try and refrain his access.. indeed, to anything ( + Show Spoiler +no! no p rn of course u minger, s.. the thoughts in some people... ) i was already teaching him the credit/banking system when he was 1.. "see here i'm giving the nice lady a bit of plastic .. so she can asks the bank to give her money i have there" (credit card) everyone (since i started with this "kids are smart, never dumb stuff down for them") has always rolled their eyes sideways or been supportive there is no doubt in my mind that the 7 year old mark is important by 7 the kid must be ready he must know about important stuff, he must be cognitive and know that he is capable of things, incapable of other things sc is good for that, no? maybe the whole "killing/destroying comes a bit early.. mmmkay or does it not come late already? fun: he likes all three races .. or was that the result of my heavy handed lobbying ? i'll never know his favorite dialog: "butter my biscuit!"
I would say let your kid play if he is keen for it.
As other poster have mentioned as well, I was playing similarly themed games, and I was 9 when original SC came out. At the end of the day you can just turn off the extra gore and mute the chat/stay offline if you want to avoid stuff that is maybe a little bit too mature for a 5 year old. Worst case he is just not going to be interested as I don't really see the harm in exposing kids to as much as you can(as I can tell you believe in as well).
Also a kudos for the whole "dont dumb down life" thing, it will deffo pay off in the long run. I know my parents told me so many stupid fucking lies as a kid I spent my teenage years undoing some of the basics of life and relearning it all again.
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Just make sure he is socializing with kids his age, too. I got sucked into videogames when I was about 10 or so and stopped spending time with friends very much, and my social skills suffered. I can't imagine the consequences of that happening at the age of 5-7. Of course, I am not a father, so what do I know
But I think SC could be a great experience. I recommend chess as well, especially if you live in a city of more than a few hundred thousand. He will be able to meet kids his age that play chess, and if you spend a lot of time playing with him he could get really, really good (I know two people who were rated like 1200 USCF at the age of 7...). And chess teaches and hones all kinds of skills: memory, problem solving, planning, etc. Of course it is not as reflexive as SC, but I do think that in general the human-to-human contact it allows is quite beneficial.
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How to train your Monster, good script.
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On March 10 2014 03:50 Bunn wrote:
dont ruin his eyes
Don't spread misinformation or maybe you'll tell us how it will ruin his eyes?
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If you hold down shift and press a letter key it types a thing called a capital letter. They go at the start of sentences, proper nouns and when using the first personal pronoun 'I', as well as other places. Hopefully you won't try to teach your son to type.
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ty for your general support 
(for reals, i need it)
On March 10 2014 04:16 Saechiis wrote:
How to train your Monster, good script.
i know right 
On March 10 2014 03:50 Bunn wrote:
dont ruin his eyes
yes, that is something i'm scared about, like walkmans for ears (in my day), i make him stop regularly and i make him drink
hell, i even make him consciously stop looking at the screen regularly
On March 10 2014 03:14 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:I would say let your kid play if he is keen for it. ... + Show Spoiler +As other poster have mentioned as well, I was playing similarly themed games, and I was 9 when original SC came out. At the end of the day you can just turn off the extra gore and mute the chat/stay offline if you want to avoid stuff that is maybe a little bit too mature for a 5 year old. Worst case he is just not going to be interested as I don't really see the harm in exposing kids to as much as you can(as I can tell you believe in as well). ... Also a kudos for the whole "dont dumb down life" thing, it will deffo pay off in the long run. I know my parents told me so many stupid fucking lies as a kid I spent my teenage years undoing some of the basics of life and relearning it all again.
"if he is keen for it."
is he keen because he saw me do it. or that i have it available in the first place..? that is the real issue (monkey see monkey do) .. or is he keen because this rtsg type of game sucks you right in for long ???
or because the gameplay of the game is "giving orders" all the time (remember that such is the life of a 5 year old: following orders)
or
just because it is challenging his very core? (which could be good or bad)
"pay off in the long run"
yeah, i humbly admit that i'm ready to f ck up a part of his childhood to make him ready for the rest of his life (presumably with less help/presence from me (me me me hubris yes i know and i stand by it)
ps:
i wish i will see you again (here or elesewhere) on the same subject, when you guys start debating these issues with your wife/life partner (mother of said kid :D ) ... i'll be able to share that too, with you
i always am labelled as difficult to understand.. so..
YES
i am looking for anything this issue (5 and video games) brings out in you all
ty for all who have posted and to those with kids (or kids themselves) that will come forward to participate on this glorious sc forum for this "debate"
edit: f ck typos / f ck blizz no lan
make/have a good tl
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Make sure he playes terran. No but seriously, what about starting playing a musical instrument too
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You are completely overthinking it.
Ask yourself these questions.
Does the game have too much violence (of any type) for your child in your opinion?
If yes, dont let him play.
If no, let him play.
Is your child playing too much?
If yes, remove him from game / limit playtime
If no, let him carry on.
Its that simple.
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On March 10 2014 05:01 Deleuze wrote:
If you hold down shift and press a letter key it types a thing called a capital letter. They go at the start of sentences, proper nouns and when using the first personal pronoun 'I', as well as other places. Hopefully you won't try to teach your son to type.
o
... now lets see.. shhift ... mmkay ... mmmmkay
+ Show Spoiler +to be be absolutely clear: + Show Spoiler +i HATE capital letters i hate that one must capitalize one s self in the "i" "I" tradition so i dont.. thank you for your encouragements and please you go sheep somewhere useful, my lawn is fine ty ps: j'adores deleuze, mais c'est un pleutre et tu es bien peu utile + Show Spoiler +ps : i love deleuze but he is a coward and you are less than useful
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On March 10 2014 04:01 Chocolate wrote:
Just make sure he is socializing with kids his age, too. I got sucked into videogames when I was about 10 or so and stopped spending time with friends very much, and my social skills suffered. I can't imagine the consequences of that happening at the age of 5-7. Of course, I am not a father, so what do I know
But I think SC could be a great experience. I recommend chess as well, especially if you live in a city of more than a few hundred thousand. He will be able to meet kids his age that play chess, and if you spend a lot of time playing with him he could get really, really good (I know two people who were rated like 1200 USCF at the age of 7...). And chess teaches and hones all kinds of skills: memory, problem solving, planning, etc. Of course it is not as reflexive as SC, but I do think that in general the human-to-human contact it allows is quite beneficial.
"the human-to-human contact"
yes that is the linchpin of my wife s argument
and i agree
playing with others is nowhere in sight in sc, in any rtsg
this dissociativeness some kids get from gaming is what i'm most scared of..
on the other hand he just started, i'm buying simcity and a steering wheel for a car game soon .. so as to show him other games.. games that you can share with friends his age and take turns or "collaborate"
just, i'm quite sure that the "cowboy and indians" (or cops and robbers) syndrome is really high at that age (pretending to beat others into submission and "killing" them is a necessary phase/point)
not to worry thank you, he socializes good good good (invites friends from school or other and gets invited galore)
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On March 10 2014 05:45 Omnishroud wrote:
You are completely overthinking it.
Ask yourself these questions.
Does the game have too much violence (of any type) for your child in your opinion?
If yes, dont let him play.
If no, let him play.
Is your child playing too much?
If yes, remove him from game / limit playtime
If no, let him carry on.
Its that simple.
"overthinking"
sorry .. never
overthinking stuff is not thinking as much as you can, which is what i do
i realize that kids will be.. whatever they will be (que sera sera and all that jazz)
and that whatever i do, i'm always mucking about, stuff is already there boiling and i steer just as much as i f ck up
(i'm not a good role model but i always show him how important he is to me and how much i love him and hold his future dear)
he will be me, i will do all i can, then he will be himself and i do hope some of what i could pass on will help
he is
i'm just here for the ride
ps: as to your points.. how do you fantasize it happening.. you think i do what i want...
a child is usually the product of two people s decision making (not to mention school/friends of his etc)
lets just take 1: "Does the game have too much violence "
who decides? once done, how do you see if it is or not? can you ever "come back rom it"? etc
no such thing as overthinking
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On March 10 2014 05:44 pebble444 wrote:
Make sure he playes terran. No but seriously, what about starting playing a musical instrument too
he tries piano and harmonica :D
and goes to a singing class :D
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I started SC at age 4 and came out perfectly fine, no reason a 5-year-old couldnt!
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On March 10 2014 02:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:playing challenging games from a young age is good. I think you're best off restricting it to single player with a 5 year old though. I also think first person shooter games should be avoided when you're that young, imo they should pretty much all be avoided until kids are ~10. but starcraft is great, it's very challenging and not really that much more violent than chess. Most grindy games should be avoided too I think, cuz they're just too much of a timesink compared to the reward - you prolly develop more by doing practically anything than you do from 500 hours of single player diablo 3. Like, I really don't think there's any point in forcing your kid to go play in the sandbox instead of playing minecraft, but you must be cautious that minecraft doesn't make your kid play 10 hours straight in the sandbox - which he normally would find boring.
he is very much eager to stay in front of the screen, that s what prompted my post
i set quake at 7 year old  am i right?
as for number of hours ...?
mmm, he is allowed 2/3 hours (in "less than an hour" cessions) a week
(he actually gets more because of course i cheat, more like 4/5 in 1 to 1h1/2 to ("high score") 2 hours max)
and i don't know what to think of "how much is too much" ???
" challenging games"
sc is challenging and i think it is good that he be challenged <3
+ Show Spoiler +ty for drone approval 
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On March 10 2014 05:52 enord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 05:01 Deleuze wrote:
If you hold down shift and press a letter key it types a thing called a capital letter. They go at the start of sentences, proper nouns and when using the first personal pronoun 'I', as well as other places. Hopefully you won't try to teach your son to type. o ... now lets see.. shhift ... mmkay ... mmmmkay + Show Spoiler +to be be absolutely clear: + Show Spoiler +i HATE capital letters i hate that one must capitalize one s self in the "i" "I" tradition so i dont.. thank you for your encouragements and please you go sheep somewhere useful, my lawn is fine ty ps: j'adores deleuze, mais c'est un pleutre et tu es bien peu utile + Show Spoiler +ps : i love deleuze but he is a coward and you are less than useful
Deleuze is no coward!
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prove it
edit:
did he tackle issues pertaining to difficult subjects? ... mmm yes
did he change the world.. ? mmm a small elitist part maybe
did he tackle children vs violence of the world (mmmm can't remember if he did lol !! sh t!!! hahahahahhaa sorry)
i brought it up because of your interest in my calligraphy, was it nott sort of pompous a line (your post), how would gilles have rated it?
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On March 10 2014 08:00 enord wrote:
prove it
edit:
did he tackle issues pertaining to difficult subjects? ... mmm yes
did he change the world.. ? mmm a small elitist part maybe
did he tackle children vs violence of the world (mmmm can't remember if he did lol !! sh t!!! hahahahahhaa sorry)
i brought it up becuse of your interest in my caligraphy
isn't sort of pompous a line (your post), how would gilles have rated it?
i wouldn't worry about the long term ramifications, just compare it to what else he would be doing with his time: watching cartoons? watching tv? which do you think is preferable? starcraft teaches extreme motor control, economic optimization, abstract thinking, distancing yourself from the "here and now," forward thinking, etc, i wouldn't be worried about it leading your son astray
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we have no tv
he could be drawing acting singing gardening etc more (he is already doing all those)
the fact remains that he could be "worst off" or "better off" in 10 to 15 years, that's the puzzle
(not because video games are bad, but because kids know no limit, they can't be rationalized into "investing for their future" s hit)
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right, and your opinion if he's worse off or better off is your call as a father, i'm just saying that it's not a bad way to spend time.. that said you're going to find biased results because you're on tl, but i dont see how acting singing or gardening is better for him as an economic entity (or a philosophical entity) 10 or 15 years down the road.. if you're looking for return on your investment, starcraft is a great way to go for your son
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If a child starts playing games when he's young I think there's a high chance he'll become a gamer when he's older. Possibly he will be heavily invested in games. Games are addicting, they're designed to be.
Personal experience. But it sounds like you are taking strides to raise him well.
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United States10252 Posts
you should teach your kid magic the gathering. if he can understand the complex triggers, priorities, and stack, it would be awesome :D
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i started playing sc:bw at a young age too even played other games before that. around high school i started playing football (soccer) and was kind of hooked into sports, if im not playing sports right now im gaming. i kind of regretted i didnt start sports at an earlier age, it really helped me physically and socially. i hope you also get him into sports!
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On March 10 2014 09:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
If a child starts playing games when he's young I think there's a high chance he'll become a gamer when he's older. Possibly he will be heavily invested in games. Games are addicting, they're designed to be.
Personal experience. But it sounds like you are taking strides to raise him well.
i agree, i have been a muti product addict most of my life (25/30 years of it) and i am quite concerned with the addictive-ness of video games
my only solution has always been to make too many things available for him, so that he is not tempted to wallow too much on only one thing.. but that is a short term thing ...
On March 10 2014 08:46 Endymion wrote:
right, and your opinion if he's worse off or better off is your call as a father, i'm just saying that it's not a bad way to spend time.. that said you're going to find biased results because you're on tl, but i dont see how acting singing or gardening is better for him as an economic entity (or a philosophical entity) 10 or 15 years down the road.. if you're looking for return on your investment, starcraft is a great way to go for your son
"return on investment" hahahahahaha, no that is not what i'm concerned about, although ty for the thought
On March 10 2014 19:01 icystorage wrote:i started playing sc:bw at a young age too even played other games before that. around high school i started playing football (soccer) and was kind of hooked into sports, if im not playing sports right now im gaming. i kind of regretted i didnt start sports at an earlier age, it really helped me physically and socially. i hope you also get him into sports!
he s practicing acrobatics in a circus class
i am rather against most visions that coaches try to impose on kids..
at such an age, one is discovering one's place in the world in space.. competition or indeed results are not important or even warranted perspectives/issues...
not to say that i would do anything to prevent him for partaking in competition, but i feel its a secondary issue, something a 7 or 8 year old would profit more from i think
at 5 the body is not even an issue for kids, sports are suppose to enlighten them, not confront them to their own limits/wishes
edit: f ck typos
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I first experienced computer games when I was 3 years old. I can tell you that I was clueless as fuck in Civ 1 and the Butcher at lvl 2 scared the fuck out of me into my dreams.
I played SC and Red Alert 1 when I was 4.
Where am I now? 19 years old, pretty fit and about to enter university at september.
So it shouldnt be too bad for your kid.
Keep in mind that the kid might develop social connections online, which I had noone of till I was 9 and what kicked me out of shape for the first and only time in my life was when I had a very poor social life at school and I primarily found my social "needs" online. Untill it comes to that and your kid still does other stuff, I wouldn't be worried.
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i can recommend something like transport tycoon.
It connects rational decisions and nnumbers with the fun of building a modelrailroad.
you can not know how people will turn out, you can give them a good start, but thats it ^^
How the brain forms all thse connections and makes them into a personality is completely unkown to everyone, even in scientific (as much as they can be in that field ) psychology, they often have a "black box" model. Stuff goes in and then other stuff comes out. How? No idea.
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On March 11 2014 04:36 Iplaythings wrote:
I first experienced computer games when I was 3 years old. I can tell you that I was clueless as fuck in Civ 1 and the Butcher at lvl 2 scared the fuck out of me into my dreams .
I played SC and Red Alert 1 when I was 4 .
Where am I now? 19 years old, pretty fit and about to enter university at september.
So it shouldn't be too bad for your kid.
Keep in mind that the kid might develop social connections online, which I had no one of till I was 9 and what kicked me out of shape for the first and only time in my life was when I had a very poor social life at school and I primarily found my social "needs" online. Until it comes to that and your kid still does other stuff, I wouldn't be worried.
yeah, i dunno.. why i'm asking myself and somewhat tl what we think
ty for your post
On March 11 2014 06:10 LaNague wrote:i can recommend something like transport tycoon. It connects rational decisions and numbers with the fun of building a model railroad. you can not know how people will turn out, you can give them a good start, but that's it ^^ How the brain forms all those connections and makes them into a personality is completely unknown to everyone, even in scientific (as much as they can be in that field ) psychology, they often have a "black box" model. Stuff goes in and then other stuff comes out. How? No idea.
no idea .. i completely agree
lets discuss it
hahahahahahahahahahaha
by the way i love simlikes
i only played the first railroadtyke though
ty for your post
edit: fixxin fr gg ing typos
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On March 10 2014 00:44 vOdToasT wrote:
I played Command & Conquer and StarCraft when I was six, and I turned out fine. It's only one person, I know, but I felt like telling you anyway.
Just make damn sure you help him in school. Help him with his homework, ask him how he's doing (in a nice way so that he isn't scared to tell you), and if he is struggling, help him out. And talk to him about things he is going to encounter in life so that he can deal with them, like girls hitting on him , bad teachers, the school workload, and so on.
thank you vOdToasT
"girls": can't wait 
i'm scared shitless for him
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So.. a little bit of info:
he doesn't specifically want to attack ai opponents
he has pleasure in defeating them (he sends em one by one, wants to repair them and heal them.. )
likes to spread creep and pylon fields (who doesn't)
loves storming opponents
is very disappointed that not all zerg units can go through the creep like the roaches and infestors
he is nowhere near having finished starting this glorious part i relish in my memory of it happening to me four times his age span ago
funny is life
edit: he looks sort of like this:+ Show Spoiler +
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