EPTOn March 09 2014 18:54 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Well did you watch season 1? It wasn't pretty.
Well did you watch season 1? It wasn't pretty.
It was never pretty lol and the expectations people have is ridiculously high.
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StarStruck
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It was never pretty lol and the expectations people have is ridiculously high. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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wei2coolman
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Scarecrow
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motbob
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On March 09 2014 14:57 Whitewing wrote: IPL made NASL seem lousy, when IPL was never going to be sustainable. By running only a few super tournaments like that, it made everyone disillusioned with tournaments like NASL, which by comparison, looked shitty. IPL wasn't going to be around for a long time, so it kind of nuked the scene. The goal of competition is to be better than everyone else. IPL wasn't thinking they were going to die, they were trying to grow just like NASL. IGN just didn't want to fund IPL anymore. NASL did things right and other things bad. We probably won't know the cost structure of NASL ever, but I promise you they were in the red and that is why they had to shut down. | ||
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Whitewing
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On March 10 2014 03:09 HeeroFX wrote: The goal of competition is to be better than everyone else. IPL wasn't thinking they were going to die, they were trying to grow just like NASL. IGN just didn't want to fund IPL anymore. NASL did things right and other things bad. We probably won't know the cost structure of NASL ever, but I promise you they were in the red and that is why they had to shut down. IPL was from the beginning stated to be an investment in growing the name of IGN in the esports community, it was an expensive advertising campaign. Any basic economic knowledge would have been able to tell you that they were losing tons of money on each event, and it was pretty obvious they were never going to do that many of them. | ||
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Quesadilla
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On March 10 2014 02:44 motbob wrote: Hmm, maybe I could have elaborated more on the "I suck" part rather than the "NASL S1 sucked" part, but no one wants to read about that. I dunno, I could stand to read more about how you suck. (How people denigrate themselves is often an interesting window into their psychology.) But, in reality, I'm wondering... you worked for NASL? Or were you just the NASL-only version of opterown? I'm confused. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On March 10 2014 08:49 Whitewing wrote: IPL was from the beginning stated to be an investment in growing the name of IGN in the esports community, it was an expensive advertising campaign. Any basic economic knowledge would have been able to tell you that they were losing tons of money on each event, and it was pretty obvious they were never going to do that many of them. ok and they died. NASL lost money too and they died so what is your point? | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On March 10 2014 13:17 HeeroFX wrote: ok and they died. NASL lost money too and they died so what is your point? The general gist here is that IPL knew from the beginning that it wouldn't be sustainable: they weren't trying for it to be. IPL was just an advertising campaign for IGN on roids, but other leagues, like NASL, were trying to become sustainable and long term events. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
[2] Instead of lowering the quality of their stream to try and fix the problem, NASL treated the lag as a problem on Twitch's (Justin.tv's) side. They didn't experiment with lower bitrates/resolutions. They just let the stream lag for most of their audience. If I have my facts wrong on this I'm willing to be corrected. It was twitch issues, they transcode anyway. There's nothing that could have been done here to my understanding on NASL's side | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
For example, Jacqueline Geller, now working at Blizzard got her first real eSports experience writing for us in Season 1. Also, at the time I was super taken aback because motbob offered to help out and then became one of the most vocal critics of NASL. It was weird and surprising. Anyway - 3 years is a long time, hi motbob. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On March 10 2014 14:18 Cyro wrote: It was twitch issues, they transcode anyway. There's nothing that could have been done here to my understanding on NASL's side I don't think that streaming at a lower bitrate would have solved the problem, plus viewers always had the option to lower the quality. I would imagine that at the time Twitch was still in its infancy, NASL was basically a majority of the traffic to Twitch, and possibly Twitch wasn't able to accommodate. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm fairly certain that lag on the viewer end shouldn't be caused by what bitrate we are trying to stream out of inhouse | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13431 Posts
On March 09 2014 14:57 Whitewing wrote: IPL made NASL seem lousy, when IPL was never going to be sustainable. By running only a few super tournaments like that, it made everyone disillusioned with tournaments like NASL, which by comparison, looked shitty. IPL wasn't going to be around for a long time, so it kind of nuked the scene. I never thought of it like that but yeah, that makes sense. Sadly, the IPL did do more to hurt NA than help it in the long run with completely unreasonable spending of money it can only make future investments look terrible  | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Thus, the title. I didn't stick with NASL when the going got rough. I wasn't strong enough to keep trying to keep afloat what looked like a sinking ship. I wasn't mature enough to keep my mouth shut in public. Anyways, I don't recall the issues with NASL as much as everyone else, possibly since I didn't watch every single game so I missed most of it but I do recall the finals of Puma vs MC back when the 1-1-1 was pretty strong and popular. I don't recall having stream issues when I saw those games and Puma beat MC on that last map(some snow map). I think having NASL was beneficial for the scene so it's pretty sad that they left SCII. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On March 10 2014 14:40 Xeris wrote: I don't think that streaming at a lower bitrate would have solved the problem, plus viewers always had the option to lower the quality. I would imagine that at the time Twitch was still in its infancy, NASL was basically a majority of the traffic to Twitch, and possibly Twitch wasn't able to accommodate. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm fairly certain that lag on the viewer end shouldn't be caused by what bitrate we are trying to stream out of inhouse Everyone got burned quite badly by twitch problems, i'm in eu with ~6-7mbit down and in 2011 and 2013, i was basically unable to watch even the lowest quality transcodes without lots of freezing, stuttering, video pausing etc. 2012 had a long time where i could watch three 1080p streams at the same time though and likewise i seem to be able to do that again now (i guess twitch/isp's hate odd years :D) Like we both said though, i don't think NASL could have done anything at all here. I still watched  | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
I can see that there are limitations on live events with things like a crowd and locations and that you can´t really have a EU friendly GSL but i just dont see any reason to broadcast your first and most important season like this timewise especially if it is replay casts anyway. | ||
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