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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3491 Posts
March 10 2014 08:15 GMT
#41
There were some nights that I couldn't stay up and watch NASL.
"I broke the dam."
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Wertheron
Profile Joined October 2011
France439 Posts
March 10 2014 08:17 GMT
#42
That's really weird, but during those times, it seems that the NA events scene was in a SC2 crazyness with a lot of big events projects ("sc2 works guys ! Let's go for big leagues/tourneys/events with huge cast blabla"). Euro seemed more "slow" or "step by step" (with less ambition: look at ESL at this time).

But at the end, NA scene just disapperead with his Las Vegas finals, and other bling-bling events. EU had more success on the WCS changes.

NA RTS scene seems more volatile, sc2 is no more "fashionable" on NA so sc2 is no more played and far less watch (i saw that 50% of ladder games are on EU now).
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
March 10 2014 09:01 GMT
#43
For me NA tournaments always felt a little bit too "sterile". They seemed to try hard to be professional, but if you do this and fail at production you are really screwed because there is nothing left.

EU productions may be less professional or expensive but always felt way more likable for me. Look at TakeTV, from an objective view they are cheesy at best, had production problems in the past, have a german cast that insults everything between Protoss, Women and Asians and annoy you with advertising their stuff 50% of the time. But you feel in every show that they just have fun what they are doing and that makes them likable.
Or look at the biggest thing (i think ?) in Europe right now, IEM. You can think whatever you want about it but Carmac just looks like a nice dude overall. And i personally never made this kind of connections for any NA tournament wich maybe sounds irrelevant but you are willing to forgive problems way easier if you want this guys to succeed because you like them.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
March 10 2014 09:03 GMT
#44
Motbob, you are a good person. You were right to be disillusioned with NASL during their early days, but it's good that you stepped up to get the guilt off your chest. I remember when eve had it's japan relief (or was it the Philippine or both?) drive. You donated everything you had in eve to help.
:)
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 10 2014 09:39 GMT
#45
5 stars for being honest.
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
March 10 2014 09:42 GMT
#46
Not sure if there ever was a chance of NASL really "making it" considering their (everyones) inexperience with the business model and format and how hard it was (is?) to be profitable for anything esports related. They tried, they failed (not sure what is actually left of them now) but they provided valuable examples, both good and bad, to everyone who followed after. And yeah, I'm fairly sure better LRs would not have saved NASL so don't sweat it -_-
11 years and counting- TL #680
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 10 2014 09:44 GMT
#47
Honesty is such a lonely word.
Everyone is so untrue.
Honesty is hardly ever heard.
And mostly what I need from you.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 13:39:47
March 10 2014 13:32 GMT
#48
I feel like you claiming you stabbed them in the back to be an overstatement, they didn't walk away from the community because of an intern... Don't feel bad.

Edit: spelling.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 10 2014 14:52 GMT
#49
[3] This footnote is half the reason I'm posting this blog. During Season 1, one of the NASL's guest casters had an interesting experience. He cast a day of games over Skype with Gretorp. For one reason or another, NASL's copy of the audio with his half of the cast was lost, but Gretorp's was still in their possession. NASL sent this unnamed guest caster Gretorp's audio and asked him to re-cast the games as if they were live. He did so, using the waveform of the cast audio to see when to let Gretorp talk, and no one watching the stream noticed.

What, seriously? Shit :D
partouf
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Netherlands405 Posts
March 10 2014 16:48 GMT
#50
Interesting read & discussion. Also, post-mortem apologies better than none.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
March 10 2014 17:03 GMT
#51
On March 09 2014 10:57 motbob wrote:
[3] This footnote is half the reason I'm posting this blog. During Season 1, one of the NASL's guest casters had an interesting experience. He cast a day of games over Skype with Gretorp. For one reason or another, NASL's copy of the audio with his half of the cast was lost, but Gretorp's was still in their possession. NASL sent this unnamed guest caster Gretorp's audio and asked him to re-cast the games as if they were live. He did so, using the waveform of the cast audio to see when to let Gretorp talk, and no one watching the stream noticed.

this is lowkey one of the most insane things I've read on team liquid.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
March 10 2014 18:43 GMT
#52
On March 09 2014 10:57 motbob wrote:
[3] This footnote is half the reason I'm posting this blog. During Season 1, one of the NASL's guest casters had an interesting experience. He cast a day of games over Skype with Gretorp. For one reason or another, NASL's copy of the audio with his half of the cast was lost, but Gretorp's was still in their possession. NASL sent this unnamed guest caster Gretorp's audio and asked him to re-cast the games as if they were live. He did so, using the waveform of the cast audio to see when to let Gretorp talk, and no one watching the stream noticed.


That's fucking badass
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 10 2014 19:16 GMT
#53
Wait, the co-caster was Incontrol actually right? Who else could it have been?
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
March 10 2014 19:28 GMT
#54
I would much rather have the memories of IPL4/5 than a NASL that's still alive.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
March 10 2014 20:10 GMT
#55
On March 11 2014 04:16 ZenithM wrote:
Wait, the co-caster was Incontrol actually right? Who else could it have been?

He was the regular co-caster who would be on site. It's written that this was a guest caster.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 10 2014 20:33 GMT
#56
On March 11 2014 05:10 Gorlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 04:16 ZenithM wrote:
Wait, the co-caster was Incontrol actually right? Who else could it have been?

He was the regular co-caster who would be on site. It's written that this was a guest caster.

Oh yeah, "guest caster", you're right
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
March 10 2014 22:55 GMT
#57
General comment, since IPL was mentioned a number of times: I would not have taken a job at IPL if it was just an advertising engine for IGN. Anyone thinking we weren't trying to become sustainable is just wrong. IGN clearly invested a large amount of money, but it wasn't for nothing and there were plans in place. IGN had a different CEO when IPL was established than when it was sold to Ziff Davis. ZD didn't care about eSports, nor did it care about 25% of the writing staff at IGN for that matter. New owners, new business plan, IPL didn't fit.

The work our sponsorship team was doing could have resulted in wonderful things, and what happens in that alternate timeline is anyone's guess. We were taking on several new titles (James Reilman was doing work for World of Tanks and Infinite Crisis towards the end, I was on ShootMania, Mike Ross was doing in-studio Street Fighter shows with guests, and other developers were lining up.) and dealing with several new major title sponsors when things began to shift toward new ownership in 2013.

This post was probably not necessary for most of you, but it hurts to see people who have the opinion that IPL got too big too fast or didn't properly allocate funds or whatever theories they've come up with to justify its closing.
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 10 2014 23:11 GMT
#58
On March 11 2014 04:16 ZenithM wrote:
Wait, the co-caster was Incontrol actually right? Who else could it have been?


Was not incontrol
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
March 10 2014 23:15 GMT
#59
On March 11 2014 07:55 JoshSuth wrote:
General comment, since IPL was mentioned a number of times: I would not have taken a job at IPL if it was just an advertising engine for IGN. Anyone thinking we weren't trying to become sustainable is just wrong. IGN clearly invested a large amount of money, but it wasn't for nothing and there were plans in place. IGN had a different CEO when IPL was established than when it was sold to Ziff Davis. ZD didn't care about eSports, nor did it care about 25% of the writing staff at IGN for that matter. New owners, new business plan, IPL didn't fit.

The work our sponsorship team was doing could have resulted in wonderful things, and what happens in that alternate timeline is anyone's guess. We were taking on several new titles (James Reilman was doing work for World of Tanks and Infinite Crisis towards the end, I was on ShootMania, Mike Ross was doing in-studio Street Fighter shows with guests, and other developers were lining up.) and dealing with several new major title sponsors when things began to shift toward new ownership in 2013.

This post was probably not necessary for most of you, but it hurts to see people who have the opinion that IPL got too big too fast or didn't properly allocate funds or whatever theories they've come up with to justify its closing.

Nice post. I'm still pretty sad about what happened to all of the IPL guys

I really liked you, DoA, CP, Kibblez, PainUser and HD (never really cared for Robin to be completely honest). It seemed like after IPL dissolved, only PainUser really stuck around to anything else with SC2. I know Blizzard hired the IPL guys that were still around, but it seemed like there was no tangible result from their work and they ended up just being some of the many organizers of WCS.

Anyway, sorry to go off topic.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
March 11 2014 00:16 GMT
#60
Great blog. 5 stars.

Thanks for trying, man. NASL was almost impossible to defend, having so many problems. Even though you turned your back on it, you learned a lesson in business. It's not always a smooth ride.

I imagine you invested yourself emotionally quite heavily to have become burned out by a season's end. Your subsequent backlash to NASL was obviously just you venting truth, and keeping honest to yourself. Again, thanks.
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