EPTI don't feel like writing a huge post but it has been my experience that an opinion like yours is a privilege. There are very few people who go about their daily lives without knowingly or unwittingly do something that starts a ripple that becomes a negative pattern in someone else's life. People who are 'nice' aren't very nice when you get to know them better.
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gg_hertzz
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I don't feel like writing a huge post but it has been my experience that an opinion like yours is a privilege. There are very few people who go about their daily lives without knowingly or unwittingly do something that starts a ripple that becomes a negative pattern in someone else's life. People who are 'nice' aren't very nice when you get to know them better. | ||
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
So one basic rule when dealing with prostitutes, at least in china, is to never fall in love with one, no matter how genuinely in love they appear to be in with you. Of course, some prostitutes might be genuinely nice but the chances of them being really good at coaxing money off of you is probably higher than the chances of them being nice. | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On January 16 2014 05:45 Kaeru wrote:A common sentence is "What happens in XXX stays in XXX.". It actually follows you within your heart, when you go back home... Not quite... "it" was already with you, you just didn't dare showing it off back at home due to fear of societal stigma. *shrug* | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32146 Posts
On January 16 2014 10:36 vOdToasT wrote: I'm glad I'm not the only one who considers marrying, (or being in any long lasting sexual relationship) for money a form of long-term prostitution. I don't want to stop people from doing that, I just want all parties involved to be honest - to each other, and to themselves. It is what it is, don't beat around the bush. Also, like you said, I don't want people to abuse their servitors. dating is prostitution eh please tell me more about your progressive views dawg | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 16 2014 09:44 iamho wrote: Don't be such a priss, the businessman wasn't "evil" because he treated a whore like shit. Who the hell are you to judge other people's consensual business transactions. Wtf. He treated a *person* like shit. She didn't agree to be treated like shit, and even if she did, the power dynamic is obviously warped. Besides which, he lied and broke a spoken, informal contract which she had clearly agreed to. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 16 2014 16:34 saltywet wrote: I'm in china.. I have a friend who is close friends with a female pimp, who knows this 20 year old prostitute who's been in the business for 5-6 years. I was told that 2 years ago the prostitute had her vagina destroyed through sex, she was sent to hospital and nearly died (she can't have kids anymore), and the guy who was supposed to take care of her only (was paying the mortgage on her home) only paid off half of the payment then ran off and disappeared, couldn't be contacted. Her story was pretty tragic, but she became a demon reborn. She's a master at deceiving men now, she was able to trick the men into paying off the rest of the payment on her home AND she basically received money from multiple men that she has two houses now. So one basic rule when dealing with prostitutes, at least in china, is to never fall in love with one, no matter how genuinely in love they appear to be in with you. Of course, some prostitutes might be genuinely nice but the chances of them being really good at coaxing money off of you is probably higher than the chances of them being nice. You do realize you are: a. Blaming a victim for gaming the system after her vagina was destroyed, and b. giving advice to people who want to use Chinese prostitutes, as if they are the potential victims ........................ God damn it. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On January 17 2014 04:34 tili wrote: Wtf. He treated a *person* like shit. She didn't agree to be treated like shit, and even if she did, the power dynamic is obviously warped. Besides which, he lied and broke a spoken, informal contract which she had clearly agreed to. People treat eachother like shit every day for multiple reasons, and there's plenty of warped power dynamics already. As for the broken contract, if you can't tell what's going on in there... Or do you expect that somebody who makes a problem out of $25 for drinks will want to pay for a night with a girl? | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On January 17 2014 04:29 QuanticHawk wrote: dating is prostitution eh please tell me more about your progressive views dawg Having sex for money is prostitution. People treat eachother like shit every day for multiple reasons, and there's plenty of warped power dynamics already. People rape and murder each other every day. That doesn't make it acceptable. This argument is stupid. If what he did was ok, it wasn't for this reason. As for the broken contract, if you can't tell what's going on in there... Or do you expect that somebody who makes a problem out of $25 for drinks will want to pay for a night with a girl? Perhaps the woman was a fool, but it's not ok to exploit peoples foolishness. Or perhaps she was so desperate that she wanted to take the slim chance. In Bangladesh, many people are borderline starving (and are homeless). Prostitution could very well have been her only way of making any money. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 17 2014 04:53 Nikon wrote: People treat eachother like shit every day for multiple reasons, and there's plenty of warped power dynamics already. As for the broken contract, if you can't tell what's going on in there... Or do you expect that somebody who makes a problem out of $25 for drinks will want to pay for a night with a girl? Sequentially, she would have no way of knowing he would fuss about the drinks, and do you think she was accepting humiliation for fun? Also, the 'people do x everyday' argument is complete bullshit. The existence of many problems does not excuse any number of specific injustices, and it is the summation of individual instances that make such statements possible. Also, what is your point? That she deserved it or that it doesn't matter? | ||
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enord
France258 Posts
On January 16 2014 06:28 intrigue wrote: renamed your thread because it's a very unfortunate misspelling you are using. in fact i'd have renamed it "treat them like people" because dudes that treat women well but are scumbags to other men are pretty disgusting too! intrigue <3 kaeru, i sympathise, everywhere people let other people hurt one another, themselves, you .. me .. everyone .. down the line it is really sad to see that the world civilized is so overated, when i was 8 to 15 i was constantly trying to make sense of it, then i tried to forget about it ... never managed to stop trying to make a dent in it though, even if it feels like helplessness and suffering rules all, as long as you still care, some people will benefit from that caring the internal suffering though is just like cancer eating away, even if trying to understand does helps a little (being someone with eyes open, unwilling to look away, even when you aknowledge that you are helpless) and therefore, constructive outlets to forego the anger and frustration are vital writting on tl that you feel awful about it is a step towards feeling better, sharing is what human beings do best, and while many will (and did in this very thread) try to impose their "careless indifference" view upon you, anyone can see that they wont succed on you as for the next step, you know,what to do.. continue to change the world around you staying a caring person is nigh impossible if you never act, but anyone who doesn't lose hope is part of the solution | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On January 17 2014 05:58 vOdToasT wrote: People rape and murder each other every day. That doesn't make it acceptable. This argument is stupid. If what he did was ok, it wasn't for this reason. Perhaps the woman was a fool, but it's not ok to exploit peoples foolishness. Or perhaps she was so desperate that she wanted to take the slim chance. In Bangladesh, many people are borderline starving (and are homeless). Prostitution could very well have been her only way of making any money. It's not an arguement, it's just how it is. I mean, what can you do for that girl? As for the second part, I worded it a bit poorly. Basically, I don't think that the guy had much more than those $25 on him, and that's why he behaved the way described in op. I apologise for the caused confusion. On January 17 2014 07:24 tili wrote: Sequentially, she would have no way of knowing he would fuss about the drinks, and do you think she was accepting humiliation for fun? Also, the 'people do x everyday' argument is complete bullshit. The existence of many problems does not excuse any number of specific injustices, and it is the summation of individual instances that make such statements possible. Also, what is your point? That she deserved it or that it doesn't matter? I'm not trying to have an arguement. Read above. My point, my point... *shrug* | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On January 17 2014 07:39 enord wrote: intrigue <3 staying a caring person is nigh impossible, anyone who doesn't lose hope is part of the solution I have found that, for me at least, it is impossible to not be angry without either ignorance or apathy | ||
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On January 17 2014 04:39 tili wrote: You do realize you are: a. Blaming a victim for gaming the system after her vagina was destroyed, and b. giving advice to people who want to use Chinese prostitutes, as if they are the potential victims ........................ God damn it. a. So you are saying that it is okay for her to exploit other unrelated innocent people because she herself was exploited? A reasonable person would expect that when one has been the subject of injustice, one would attempt to prevent others from suffering the same. Sadly, most people in the world do not think like that. For example, abused children are much more likely to become child abusers themselves. b. That guy is just asking people not to fall in love with prostitutes, he never encouraged victimising them. One could treat the relationship purely as a business transaction and accord the prostitute the same respect one gives to a business partner usually. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 17 2014 10:32 Pangpootata wrote: a. So you are saying that it is okay for her to exploit other unrelated innocent people because she herself was exploited? A reasonable person would expect that when one has been the subject of injustice, one would attempt to prevent others from suffering the same. Sadly, most people in the world do not think like that. For example, abused children are much more likely to become child abusers themselves. b. That guy is just asking people not to fall in love with prostitutes, he never encouraged victimising them. One could treat the relationship purely as a business transaction and accord the prostitute the same respect one gives to a business partner usually. Yep- I'm saying I have much more empathy for the woman whose body was destroyed than the guys who used their money to buy sex. He was warning them. Which puts the emphasis on the completely wrong portion of the issue. It's not that people should whore smartly, they should stop creating demand for prostituion. | ||
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On January 17 2014 11:06 tili wrote: Yep- I'm saying I have much more empathy for the woman whose body was destroyed than the guys who used their money to buy sex. He was warning them. Which puts the emphasis on the completely wrong portion of the issue. It's not that people should whore smartly, they should stop creating demand for prostituion. You are missing the main point of the anecdote. The prostitute, at first genuinely trusting of men, gets her body destroyed and her money cheated. She falsifies genuine affection to dupe lonely men desparate for love into paying off her house. In turn, when they are driven to financial ruin only to be dumped, these men are likely to adopt the attitude that women are just out to cheat men of their money, making them treat women (some of whom are genuinely good people) terribly. The cycle of abuse will continue unless someone wants to stop it. Demand for prostitution is almost impossible to stem. Because the prevailing system of mate selection is male competition and female choice, there will ultimately be out-competed males who experience a great degree of sexual frustration, thereby creating the demand for prostitution. In fact, scientists have even observed behaviour in apes such as males providing food for females in exchange for sexual favours. Moreover, it is not the problem here. The real problem is the strong social stigma against prostitution that drives prostitutes to ply their trade under shady and unsafe circumstances. If prostitution can be respected just like every other profession and prostitutes treated cordially like other workers who provide services, such as waitresses, everything would be fine. | ||
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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