• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:26
CEST 21:26
KST 04:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!41Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
Rush's Odyssey Controversy StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II BW General Discussion Best Games Kespa era [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group A CSLAN 4 is Coming! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9026 users

Help me Understand Physics? - Page 2

Blogs > FiWiFaKi
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 16:30:35
December 04 2013 16:29 GMT
#21
My knowledge is limited to a couple of nuclear/particle physics classes, so this is fairly basic stuff. Others have answered the more specific stuff already, so i'll just add a couple of points:

1) Now apparently, the strong interaction doesn't diminish in strength as distance increases? What how? How can that be, please somebody explain. The force will be as strong if they are 1m apart as if they are 1 angstrom apart? How?

The quantum mechanics of the strong force are a bitch. Since you have taken classical mechanics 2, i will assume that you know what a Hamiltonian is, and what a phase diagram is. So here's the problem: we do not know a simple way to write the potential energy for the strong force. We can make simple aproximations, but you can't write the Hamiltonian and solve Shroedinger's equation for a nucleus the way you can for an atom. All we can do is use aproximation (for example, the strong force remains constant). It obviously isn't always true, but within certain limits it's a good enough aproximation. There's examples of this in classical physics too: an infinite plane with a uniform charge distrubution will generate an electric field that's constant; this aproximation in fact is used in real life in calculating the capacity of condensators for example.

2) The way I understand it, is if you have a strong interaction, you cannot actually exist, because you will be too attracted to things, therefore free quarks don't exist, and if you somehow split a baryon, it'd combine again almost instantaneously.

It's not that quarks don't exist on their own. Simply, to this day they have never been seen in a free state, unbound from other quarks. We haven't created an experiment capable of separating quarks, but they are there anyway. Imagine having an atom that for some odd reason can't be ionized. The electrons are there and you can measure things on them, they exist but they will always be in that atom.

3) I'm going to exclude the weak interaction as frankly it doesn't appear too significant in what I'm curious about, and well, it's not well understood by the scientific community either.

I'm not sure what you mean here. The weak interaction is just another kind of nuclear interaction, and in fact at short range it's stronger than the electromagnetic force (which is why it occurs at nuclear scales like the strong force, and not atomic scales). I'm not sure what you mean by not well understood by the scientific community, i'm not aware of any uncertainty on its origins or behaviour (even though it does wierd shit like violating symmetries and other things that an actual praticle physicist will be able to explain much better than me).

4) At short distances the strong force is super powerful, why don't the two protons collapse into each other, is there something I am not considering? If the strong force is the one doing the most work, why wouldn't the protons be infinitely close together? Is there something keeping them at a safe distance?

The force between nucleons includes a repulsive term that forces the nucleons to be separated. I'm not sure where this term comes from, but if you think about it the same exact thing happens with the electromagnetic force as well as gravitational force: there is something (in the case of em and gravitational forces, that's angular momentum) which keeps things apart and balances things out. Normally an attractive potential looks something like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Two terms "fight" against each other, one being repulsive and one being attractive. Depending on the range you are at, one of the two will dominate. A good way of writing the Coulomb potential for electrons in a hydrogen atom, for instance, is -1/r + 1/r^2 (without constants). At short range the 1/r^2 term dominates and the two particles actually push each other away, at long range both go to zero, and in between there is a minimum of the function where the particle tends to stay (things like staying at the lowest possible potential energy of course).

5) Why do you need neutrons and protons in a nucleus to make it stable?

Going back to point 1), you can not write the EXACT potential energy for a nucleon in a nucleus (as far as i'm awae). At best, we come up with our own, more or less complicated, phenomenological potentials to explain the nuclear properties. These potentials need to predict what actually happens in nature, ie, that you need both protons and neutrons in a stable nucleus. Once you have found a satisfactory form for these potentials, you can then give them (sometimes) an interpretation that resembles what happens at a macroscopic scale (ie, our own world). In fact, often times the point to start writing these potentials is a real world effect or force that we can experience in every day life. Essentially, you build a theoretical model around the empirical data. The nice thing is, these potentials are also able to predict other properties of nuclear behaviour (like multipole momentums, magic numbers and whatnot).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 04 2013 18:08 GMT
#22
And as far as I can tell that math you listed is babby math that OP probably already knows if he is studying mechE and Econ. Also, anybody can understand Nature if they can read scientific papers


you maybe will understand the final statement someone explains in words, but you have no chance of understanding the underlying mechanics and causes without serious math.


For example you can understand what a tunneleffect is and why it is important for CPU manufacturers, but you need like 1 year of math framework (Hilbert space etc.) for the theoretical side and some training if differential equations to apply the theory and know what is going on.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
17:00
Promo Event
TaKeTV 690
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 2
Airneanach252
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 475
IndyStarCraft 264
ProTech79
BRAT_OK 69
EmSc Tv 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 109
Sexy 107
Rock 20
scan(afreeca) 9
Dota 2
XaKoH 1420
Counter-Strike
fl0m5531
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King201
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu447
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1958
Grubby1902
Beastyqt771
mouzStarbuck354
Mlord221
RotterdaM103
KnowMe77
elazer37
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1183
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
angryscii 17
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 63
• Reevou 15
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki18
• Pr0nogo 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1377
• Shiphtur418
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 34m
Afreeca Starleague
14h 34m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
15h 34m
The Patches Monday
20h 34m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 14h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 15h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
Proleague 2026-08-16
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.