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Starcraft 2 is infuriating

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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
November 14 2013 21:41 GMT
#1
I had been playing some games of Starcraft 2 since beta, but I only really started playing at the end of December 2011. I had worked my way up from gold league to top diamond with random from December 2011 to about May 2012. As I finished school, I switched to protoss and went into hardcore mode. But in September I pretty much stopped playing, as I started college and HotS beta came out (I stopped playing WoL a few days before beta came out, because I thought as a relatively high level player I'd get a HotS key quite soon. Well, I got it 2 months after beta started and because of that I never really picked up the game again) I still played a few games and stayed in masters league until last season though. I dropped to diamond league, but didn't have time to get back to masters as I had to write two essays during semester break. So as I've finished my essays on the 31st of October and the semester has begun again, I decided to work my way back up into masters again. And it's f***ing hard.

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Good old times

So I went on a losing streak today. It wasn't a long streak, just 5 games. But god were those games infuriating.

First game: A PvZ on Alterzim Stronghold (I still have no idea how to play on that map)
A completely standard game. I open up gateway first (as I always do) and poke at my opponent a little with zealots, MSC and stalkers. I'm able to delay his 3rd for quite some time and after I've teched up to robo, 2 forges, twilight council and stargate, I take my own third. Once my second colossus hits, I move out to attack, as my opponent had taken his 4th base, didn't have much of an army and almost no creep spread. I move into the 4th and kill it, but totally miss my forcefields on the ramp, because I had MSC in the same control group. It wasn't even that bad, my army was still a lot bigger and I was able to kill a chunk of his army. Vipers come out, cast some blinding cloud and abduct, I have bad positioning and am dead.

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Pictured above: Why a protoss army needs good positioning (or why a protoss army doesn't function without forcefields)

Second game: A PvP on Bel'Shir

I open up completely normally, scouting after my 13gate:

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How nice, he's mimicing me in my own base!

So he went for a proxy 2gate, his gateway going down at the same time as mine, but his economy being severely behind. I hesitate, as I haven't played against that build in a long time and had no idea how to react. After a few seconds, I take 5 probes to kill his second gateway and build my own second gateway after that.

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How to overreact while underreacting

Of course 5 probes aren't enough to kill a gateway and of course pulling those probes hurts my economy and delays my own second gateway too much. Only thing I could do after he didn't mess up his zealot control was GG.

The third game: A PvP on Yeonsu

I open up with my standard PvP stargate build. He only has 2 stalkers and a MSC at his main base, so I do a lot of damage with my 3 stalkers and zealot. As I had the watchtower, I saw his probe walking buy to build a pylon. I send a stalker after it and attack the pylon. It still finishes and immediately I see 3 DTs warping in, react by building an oracle and a forge instantly, while he moves out with a small army and I move out with my 3 phoenixes. I warp in units to defend against his and hold of his attack easily, but completely forget to chronoboost my stargate a second time.

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Oh Starcraft, you're just messing around with me now

A quarter of a second loses me the game.

Fourth game: A PvT on Yeonsu

A completely standard game, we poke a little and both macro up (he didn't even drop me once), I was able to push a little more while I had three colossi and he only had 2 Vikings, but miss his third base, as I thought it would be at the bottom. Being comfortable that he didn't have a third, I pull back, tech up and take my own third. He sacrifices tech to max as soon as possible and hits right before storm, blink and 2/2 finish. Not much I could do there anymore.

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Ee han timing

And the fifth game: A PvZ on Polar Night

The game starts off really nice. I open up with my semi-aggressive build from game 1, while my opponent opens up with insulting me, my mother and my father multiple times. It works quite well, I can kill a few units and force a lot of spine crawlers, while safely taking my expansion. With my oracle I scout roaches, so I go for a robo and push out, killing his third. My opponent goes hydras, so I go colossi while he completely walls himself in and denies any scouting with hydras and spore crawlers. Not suspecting anything for a while, I start phoenix production, a second stargate and the fleet beacon just a few seconds before his spire finishes and after I had taken my third. I pull back my army, while 20 mutas meet my three phoenixes in my main. I had completely misread the situation.

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Guess when the mutas came in



I don't get HotS and have no idea of the new metagame. Sometimes I win convincingly like I'm playing against a bronze opponent and the game after that I lose like I'm in bronze (and that happens more often). And then I lose 5 games in a row, which I could've won.
But I still remember that from the WoL days. Starcraft 2 is infuriating, but I have a lot of fun even when losing unecessarily. And I'm really looking forward to getting masters again and still playing extremely rage-inducing games.

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Mendici sumus. Hoc est verum. | I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public. | Es ist keine Tugend edel geboren werden, sondern sich edel machen | οἶδα οὐκ εἰδώς
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 22:25:05
November 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#2
Just know that it'll never be as bad as playing on iCCup for the first time. 0-50 records were not completely abnormal.
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But it was still damn fun. Also the first win you get, oh dear
Jaedong :3
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
November 14 2013 22:31 GMT
#3
On November 15 2013 07:24 ReketSomething wrote:
Just know that it'll never be as bad as playing on iCCup for the first time. 0-50 records were not completely abnormal.
+ Show Spoiler +
But it was still damn fun. Also the first win you get, oh dear


I only played Brood War with friends or my brothers. My older brothers were always like: Don't even try to play Starcraft on the Internet, they'll just absolutely crush you. I played on iCCup once, boy did I lose that game. And that was way after I started watching Brood War and learned what build orders, macro and micro meant. =D
Mendici sumus. Hoc est verum. | I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public. | Es ist keine Tugend edel geboren werden, sondern sich edel machen | οἶδα οὐκ εἰδώς
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 01:38:50
November 15 2013 01:38 GMT
#4
On November 15 2013 07:31 Zetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 07:24 ReketSomething wrote:
Just know that it'll never be as bad as playing on iCCup for the first time. 0-50 records were not completely abnormal.
+ Show Spoiler +
But it was still damn fun. Also the first win you get, oh dear


I only played Brood War with friends or my brothers. My older brothers were always like: Don't even try to play Starcraft on the Internet, they'll just absolutely crush you. I played on iCCup once, boy did I lose that game. And that was way after I started watching Brood War and learned what build orders, macro and micro meant. =D

It's so strange. I learned to play BW off of Day9 and team games, and with very very little practice (essentially a handful of friendly 1v1s with noob friends and team games), then I got to around C- before encountering actual resistance. Then I got to B- through hard work and determination.

It sounds like I'm bragging and I guess I actually am pretty proud of it in hindsight, but at the time it just seemed normal. Day9's dailies were so god damn good, and I mimicked the strats of the pros which I watched all the time back then. I'm getting older now and I feel like my "innate talent" seems to be fading away . I used to be in masters league easily, I stopped for a few months and now I'm getting murdered by the HotS metagame. I've even lost games to gold league people because of that thing they do where they put a factory in your base and you end up with mines behind your mineral line. That got me like three times in a 10 games span around gold to diamond league and it's so embarrassing... Push through the pain though and you'll get back to your former glory :D

Not me though . I've gone soft.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
November 15 2013 09:48 GMT
#5
play broodwar.
Broodwar for life!
mmax4porn
Profile Joined November 2013
Belarus5 Posts
November 17 2013 07:20 GMT
#6
On November 15 2013 18:48 Cele wrote:
play broodwar.

Wow troll much?
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