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How Tournaments can strengthen the NA scene

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Arcane86
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States68 Posts
October 21 2013 13:59 GMT
#1
Summary:
Tournaments that use NA Ladder ranking instead of qualifiers will raise the level of competition on the NA ladder, and improve the overall training environment for NA players.

Full post:

The Problem
American players aren’t good enough.

Let’s get real here. This is the problem. American players aren’t good enough to beat the best of the best. American players need to get better, and it’s not as simple as as “practice harder.” We have plenty of dedicated, talented and hardworking players. This isn’t enough.

The Challenge
American (and European) do not have access to an ideal training environment. That is what needs to change, and region-locking improves investment and performance incentives, but that only fixes part of it. Ladder access is still key, and is still not good enough.

Non-Korean players cannot have ideal access to the Korean server, even if they live in Korea.

Playing on the Korean ladder from the US/EU with lag is obviously non-ideal. You are playing with lag. A foreign player living in Korea and playing on the Korean Ladder is STILL non-ideal. S/he will deal with culture shock, and severe limitations in the ability to communicate with other players and coaches, all of which is a distraction from playing and improving. Contrast this to Korean players in Korea. There is both unfettered access to the Korean Ladder and (obviously) no culture shock.

Thus, the most important factor being overlooked is the ladder itself. Because of how much training happens on ladder, the NA ladder needs to be made more competitive.

Impossible, you say? We have reason to think otherwise.

The Solution
Let us think back to Shoutcraft America. In a long-past SoTG, Col.QXC mentioned how Shoutcraft’s ladder-based qualifications turn the NA ladder into a highly competitive place (35:19-.36:40). This serves as a model for how to make the ladder more competitive.



We need tournaments that run qualification based on ladder position, that are restricted to a specific ladder. They can be, do not need to be, residence locked.

WCS America could, instead of having “challenger league qualifiers” simply take the top 20 GM on NA at a specified date. Imagine if IEM-NYC had simply used an open-residence NA-ladder qualifier. Dreamhack and HSC’s NA qualifiers could do the same with different dates, and Red Bull could take GM top4 to seed their 4-player live qualifier.

This year had 8 non-WCS events awarding WCS points. Imagine if all 8 of these events and WCS challenger league qualifiers used ladder-based seeding. Ladder rank would be competitively important 11 times per year, dramatically improving the value of playing at your best on ladder consistently.

The Implications of no residence-lock
What happens if we do this and it isn’t residence-locked? Koreans begin playing on the NA ladder. Now the players on the NA ladder have a more competitive training environment, but it’s the Koreans playing with lag. Moreover, the tournament organizer doesn’t have to sacrifice the opportunity to have Koreans attend the tournament because Koreans can play on the NA ladder.

If tournaments regularly use ladder position to qualify players, the ladders will inherently become and stay more competitive.


How Blizzard can help.
It seems that Blizzard has already required that tournaments use some form of an “open qualification” system as a condition of awarding WCS points. They could require that such tournaments use ladder ranking to fill qualifier slots. This puts upward pressure on the skill level on the ladders..

We would see a livelier ladder now, and the NA scene would reap the rewards.


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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 15:38:03
October 21 2013 15:35 GMT
#2
I agree that this will help and fully support this, not only for the players, but for the fans. It kicked so much ass to watch the NA ladder leading up to Shoutcraft America for qualification. Whether that was just for the novelty of the concept or not, I'd like to see how that would work if it were more widespread.

The only thing that I feel is really worth mentioning is the lack of an ideal training environment is only part of the challenge for NA players to catch up. The fact that you have to be in a situation where you have outside support already to be able to practice enough to compete is a bigger issue imo.

EDIT: One last thing I want to point out. Koreans with lag regularly qualify over NA players in WCS online qualifiers. I don't think this would prevent them from qualifying or allow more NA players to qualify without an actual region lock.
Arcane86
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States68 Posts
October 21 2013 16:47 GMT
#3
The only thing that I feel is really worth mentioning is the lack of an ideal training environment is only part of the challenge for NA players to catch up. The fact that you have to be in a situation where you have outside support already to be able to practice enough to compete is a bigger issue imo.


It is a relevant issue that has already been widely discussed. As as such, I chose not to address it here.

One last thing I want to point out. Koreans with lag regularly qualify over NA players in WCS online qualifiers. I don't think this would prevent them from qualifying or allow more NA players to qualify without an actual region lock.


I do not disagree. However, my post is not about what creates tournament spots now. It is about what creates an environment in which NA players no longer need special treatment just to have a tournament spot.
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
October 21 2013 17:04 GMT
#4
I would really like to see ladder rank implemented more...

This may require (or promote) less barcode accounts and ultimately cheating is also a concern.
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
October 21 2013 17:30 GMT
#5
I think it'd be great to see more involvement on the ladder as Shoutcraft did. One important note about how they handled it was telling players they had to verify themselves as eligible for the rules of the tournament(residing in a North/South American country, etc.).

The other concern I have is that (unless they've changed it), once you get into GM it's fairly easy to stay in. This could cause some problems since players that don't get in via the initial wave could find themselves out of luck, while players who do get in can drop their actual mmr while staying in GM. This makes it easier for them to build up points, and reach the top of the ladder. I'd love to know if blizzard changed the way GM functions though if this is no longer the case.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 17:43:42
October 21 2013 17:41 GMT
#6
Not to be a stick in the mud, but do you realize the implications of investing and rewarding hundreds of thousands of dollars into anonymous Bo1's with no referees and their own connection/computers? The entire ladder system would have to change, not to mention possible hacking and cheating.

It's a silly pipedream imo. Most pros agree ladder doesn't mean much
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Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
October 22 2013 01:24 GMT
#7
5/5, would love to see this happen
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 22 2013 13:14 GMT
#8
The problem with ladder importance has always been hacking, win trading or other shenanigans.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
October 22 2013 21:44 GMT
#9
Ask not what your tournaments can do for you, but what you can do for your tournaments.
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