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On October 22 2013 03:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I understand for English people that it's a huge no-no to expect other people to speak your language, but wake up. English is sort of the "global" language and is one of the most useful (just to not say it's a necessity) tools you will ever learn in this globalized world. You will encounter a lot of problems in life if you aren't able to speak English; some places more than others. Comparing English to French, German or Swiss (or whatever language you want to put in here) is just out right retarded. Those languages have nowhere near the same status in our globalized society, and is not the language for our almost all entertainment, media and what not in the world. I do accept people not being able to speak English, that's up to them and it's fine.
None of this is true. Spanish and French are far more popular as second languages. Though this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
The issue with "foreign" players isn't the languages they speak. The issue is intentionally playing on servers where they can't communicate when there are better options available.
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On October 22 2013 17:16 Rezudox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 03:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I understand for English people that it's a huge no-no to expect other people to speak your language, but wake up. English is sort of the "global" language and is one of the most useful (just to not say it's a necessity) tools you will ever learn in this globalized world. You will encounter a lot of problems in life if you aren't able to speak English; some places more than others. Comparing English to French, German or Swiss (or whatever language you want to put in here) is just out right retarded. Those languages have nowhere near the same status in our globalized society, and is not the language for our almost all entertainment, media and what not in the world. I do accept people not being able to speak English, that's up to them and it's fine.
None of this is true. Spanish and French are far more popular as second languages. Though this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The issue with "foreign" players isn't the languages they speak. The issue is intentionally playing on servers where they can't communicate when there are better options available.
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
Spanish at 60 mil L2 speakers, English at 430 mil. Not even close, and French is FAR behind that.
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That is a terribly inaccurate article. There are 2 estimates on that page for English as a second language one is 430 mil and the other is 150 mil. It lists the native speakers or French being 68.5 mil and 75 mil. The population of France alone is 65 million, and that doesn't take any of the former colonies into account which are still primarily French speaking to this day.
I could quote any number of articles that are as a wildly inaccurate as that page to support my argument but it would be pointless.
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On October 22 2013 18:56 Rezudox wrote:That is a terribly inaccurate article. There are 2 estimates on that page for English as a second language one is 430 mil and the other is 150 mil. It lists the native speakers or French being 68.5 mil and 75 mil. The population of France alone is 65 million, and that doesn't take any of the former colonies into account which are still primarily French speaking to this day. I could quote any number of articles that are as a wildly inaccurate as that page to support my argument but it would be pointless.
Posting an "inaccurate" source beats having no source any day. So no, it's not pointless. And I doubt you're going to find a more reliable acceptable source than ethnologue anyway, which counts French as being spoken in 51 countries yet still only puts it at 68.5 mil first language speakers.
Ethnologue used the 2006 census for France, at which time they had a population of about 55 mil. Obviously there's more now, but that's true for all countries.
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On October 22 2013 17:16 Rezudox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 03:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I understand for English people that it's a huge no-no to expect other people to speak your language, but wake up. English is sort of the "global" language and is one of the most useful (just to not say it's a necessity) tools you will ever learn in this globalized world. You will encounter a lot of problems in life if you aren't able to speak English; some places more than others. Comparing English to French, German or Swiss (or whatever language you want to put in here) is just out right retarded. Those languages have nowhere near the same status in our globalized society, and is not the language for our almost all entertainment, media and what not in the world. I do accept people not being able to speak English, that's up to them and it's fine.
None of this is true. Spanish and French are far more popular as second languages. Though this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The issue with "foreign" players isn't the languages they speak. The issue is intentionally playing on servers where they can't communicate when there are better options available.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/most_spoken_languages.htm
That's 1999. There's no doubt that the gap between Spanish and English has just gotten bigger with what the internet and media has brought.
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I'm willing to concede my estimates may have been off. But I still fail to see what that has to do with the topic.
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On October 22 2013 20:26 Rezudox wrote:
I'm willing to concede my estimates may have been off. But I still fail to see what that has to do with the topic.
You clearly didn't read what he said. He's saying people expecting English as it would be the same as to expect people speaking Spanish, Swiss, French and alike which is just absurd. It's probably an English thing, especially British, where they have some kind of mentality that they are not "allowed" to expect people to speak English.
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You didn't talk about the part where there's an option to queue in the Russian language but people who speak no English choose to queue English anyway. I understand for Brazilians there's no Portuguese queue option and I've never gotten angry at a Brazilian for language. Russians, however, do have a language queue for themselves.
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On October 22 2013 21:08 Bumblebee wrote:
You clearly didn't read what he said. He's saying people expecting English as it would be the same as to expect people speaking Spanish, Swiss, French and alike which is just absurd. It's probably an English thing, especially British, where they have some kind of mentality that they are not "allowed" to expect people to speak English.
I honestly don't understand what you just said. Not trolling.
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On October 22 2013 22:32 Rezudox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 21:08 Bumblebee wrote:
You clearly didn't read what he said. He's saying people expecting English as it would be the same as to expect people speaking Spanish, Swiss, French and alike which is just absurd. It's probably an English thing, especially British, where they have some kind of mentality that they are not "allowed" to expect people to speak English. I honestly don't understand what you just said. Not trolling.
He's saying that we should expect people to know english in europe and usa when playing an online team game, and trying to compare it as the global language it is, with tiny, relatively, languages such as french, Swiss and Spanish is stupid.
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On October 22 2013 22:38 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 22:32 Rezudox wrote:On October 22 2013 21:08 Bumblebee wrote:
You clearly didn't read what he said. He's saying people expecting English as it would be the same as to expect people speaking Spanish, Swiss, French and alike which is just absurd. It's probably an English thing, especially British, where they have some kind of mentality that they are not "allowed" to expect people to speak English. I honestly don't understand what you just said. Not trolling. He's saying that we should expect people to know english in europe and usa when playing an online team game, and trying to compare it as the global language it is, with tiny, relatively, languages such as french, Swiss and Spanish is stupid.
I'm not saying that we should expect people to know English. The rest is fine. I'm saying it's fair to want to play with people you are able to communicate with -- whether or not it's through English.
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Fun fact: While looking around for sources on amount of L2 English speakers, I noticed that Ethnologues English page stated that there were only 1,5 mil L2 English speakers. Mailed them about it and they corrected the page, clearifying that the 1,5 mil mark is for UK alone. Awesomeness.
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So lets see what this blog has achieved.(my last word on this silly blog)
1.Posted on a English only website complaining about people wanting English only games.
2.Fudges the issue of language selection by focusing on the " the English thing"
3.Fails to acknowledge the Developers Failure with MM, region and language filtering.
4.Producer of an Announcer pack only available in one language English asking others to put effort in where other language's are concerned.
5. Insults anyone who has a different point of view with thinly veiled accusation's of racism and xenophobia.
6. Incites discord among different language speakers just like MM does.
your sir are a knob and a shitlord buy your own measure, you have been complicit in inciting the very thing you where complaining about -10
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On October 22 2013 23:25 Tobberoth wrote:
Fun fact: While looking around for sources on amount of L2 English speakers, I noticed that Ethnologues English page stated that there were only 1,5 mil L2 English speakers. Mailed them about it and they corrected the page, clearifying that the 1,5 mil mark is for UK alone. Awesomeness.
What is even considered L2 English speakers in the UK? Immigrants?
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On October 22 2013 23:17 Bumblebee wrote:
I'm not saying that we should expect people to know English. The rest is fine. I'm saying it's fair to want to play with people you are able to communicate with -- whether or not it's through English.
I completely agree with you. As I said in my first post in this thread I can't understand why (in the case of europe) non-English speaking Russians queue on EU West English server. It makes no sense at all.
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On October 22 2013 23:57 Rezudox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 23:17 Bumblebee wrote:
I'm not saying that we should expect people to know English. The rest is fine. I'm saying it's fair to want to play with people you are able to communicate with -- whether or not it's through English. I completely agree with you. As I said in my first post in this thread I can't understand why (in the case of europe) non-English speaking Russians queue on EU West English server. It makes no sense at all.
Because their awesome friends who do speak English (and you therefore, never realize are from Russia), play EU West because they have friends who speak English only.
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On October 23 2013 00:24 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 23:57 Rezudox wrote:On October 22 2013 23:17 Bumblebee wrote:
I'm not saying that we should expect people to know English. The rest is fine. I'm saying it's fair to want to play with people you are able to communicate with -- whether or not it's through English. I completely agree with you. As I said in my first post in this thread I can't understand why (in the case of europe) non-English speaking Russians queue on EU West English server. It makes no sense at all. Because their awesome friends who do speak English (and you therefore, never realize are from Russia), play EU West because they have friends who speak English only.
What does that have to do with the people who don't speak English?
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On October 23 2013 00:26 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 00:24 h41fgod wrote:On October 22 2013 23:57 Rezudox wrote:On October 22 2013 23:17 Bumblebee wrote:
I'm not saying that we should expect people to know English. The rest is fine. I'm saying it's fair to want to play with people you are able to communicate with -- whether or not it's through English. I completely agree with you. As I said in my first post in this thread I can't understand why (in the case of europe) non-English speaking Russians queue on EU West English server. It makes no sense at all. Because their awesome friends who do speak English (and you therefore, never realize are from Russia), play EU West because they have friends who speak English only. What does that have to do with the people who don't speak English?
He's making the case that if 3 russians know english and play on english servers, 2 other russians who don't know English might play on English setting with the others. However, that case is weak for the following reasons:
1. This isn't Lol. The english speaking russians can easily just remove the english language setting when playing with the others.
2. If they the russians who do not know english are playing with english-speaking friends, there isn't much of a problem since the ones who do speak english can answer.
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One nerd rage does not justify another one. Xenophobias aside, aren't all act of disrepsect equally negative? Why is this on spotlight?
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A terrible article that fails to grasp the issue at hand. Good job plugging yourself at the end though !
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