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Phalanx's Daily #77: NAC vs GTn

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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
August 17 2013 11:31 GMT
#1
Heyo guys! How are ya doing today.

Today I spent a good deal of time watching through some vods of State of the Game, as well as watching matches between NAC and GTn. I didn't get a chance to actually play because our zerg player Blades managed to kill off most of their players, winning the battle 5-2 for NAC. I guess that the battle report I'm doing today will be one of Blades' matches, a ZvT.

Hope you enjoy! :D

replay : http://drop.sc/354555

The Game

Early Game
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So I gotta be quite honest, I don't understand the TvZ match up at all, so everything just looks weird to me. I guess I can just talk about timings and what not, but I'm clueless as for why some things are done... Blades goes for a 15 hatch before pool (seems standard).

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Uhh... that is DEFINITELY a hatchery. And I do believe that it's building.

Meanwhile the terran goes for a build that really seems weird, even from a completely obilvious standpoint. After making his rax at 12, he proceeds to get double gas at 16 or so... now correct me if I'm wrong, but getting that much early gas as a terran only is useful if you're going for something like a super fast cloak banshee... which this guy didn't do.

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Uh... yeah I really don't get ZvT. I just see the pros make MMM and banelings then micro.

So the terran strategy turns out to be get the gas, make a techlab for the factory, rush out a tank, and THEN expand...
...
Why, I must ask. Do terrans really need that much help to stop early pressure while expanding? What's even wierder is that the zerg isn't pressuring at all early on, so the rush for the tank really is just a huge waste of money. That probably could have been done a lot more effectively and economically.

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I don't know enough but I really think this isn't good.

Blades, meanwhile, used his gas wisely and teched up to spire. I like watching spire play very much in ZvT, especially when the mutas are very well micro'ed. Blades looked to be going for fast mutas with very little defense at home, but I think that it was probably a good choice to make because the terran was turtling with tanks.

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Huzzah a spire, something that I do know about!


Mid Game
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The mid game composition from the terran is mech. Yet another thing that I do enjoy watching, although it sadly isn't as viable in most cases as bio. If I had the ability to actually play terran, mech would be what I always do. There also was a tiny bit of banshee harrass going on too.

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The terran was turtling hard and gave a ton of time to Blades to safely macro up and even go down a new tech choice rather than ling/bling/muta... A very interesting choice in my opinion, teching to swarmhosts. Swarmhosts never seem to be used form what I see in ZvT, so maybe at the pro level they're dealt with too easily, but in this game it sure looked viable.

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It gets really hard to make any more comments than "oh he's making x" when i'm watching matches without protoss...

Until the swarmhosts came out, Blades' mutalisks basically acted only to deny the terran's 3rd base. Containing him to 2 bases was very well played, and the mutalisks constantly picked off SCVs or building command centers, paving the way for the swarmhosts' siege.

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As the swarmhosts by Blades begin the siege, the turtling terran severly lacks in his tank count. For rushing tanks early on he only had 2 or 3 tanks, while he did have a bunch of thors. Surprisingly enough thors don't do very well against locusts. At the front of his ramp the terran did start tyring to make a planetary fortress, which I think was a good decision.

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Aw yeah little things!

And now began the siege... behind the siege Blades teched up hard and expanded as much as he could, while the terran was constantly under fire and constantly denied his 3rd. It actually was one of the few times that I enjoyed watching the siege. Since there's not much to comment on for the siege, I think I'll just give a bunch of screenshots.

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Well... you know, free units going in and dying. the usual stuff.


Eng Game
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The teching by Blades behind the swarmhost siege basically was going to be killer for the terran in the end - broodlords. A good deal more of the sieging went on, but I'll just give some more pictures form big battles.

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Thors with a sexy skin fighting the first few broodlords

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So many free units.

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A fungle catches the tanks... good bye AoE.

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The coupe de grace.


Pretty fun to have watched... well, to a degree... because this type of swarmhost siege is a big more fun to watch than swarmhosts vs protoss. Blades played very well in the battle against clan GTn, and I still slightly with that I could have played a match!

Thanks for reading, I hope you still could enjoy my mediocre knowledge of ZvT, and GL HF!

P.S.
Phalanx now streams! Subscribe to check it out when I stream, although the times that i do so may be really weird!
http://twitch.tv/sirphalanx

P.P.S.
Check out the website for my current clan as well as my previous clan! Not much to see yet, but with some support more action might get going ;D
http://nacgaming.net http://facebook.com/nacgaming
http://facebook.com/darkonyxftw

P.P.P.S.
Corgi getting eaten by a shark! D:

**
Go to school - Laddder - Sleep - repeat. Who needs a social life anyways.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
August 17 2013 13:24 GMT
#2
It's safe to say that the Terran player sucks.

On the opening, I think the idea was to get a headstart on the Tank production, but expanding earlier definitely would have allowed him to get a lot more gas. Or maybe he just really hates Roaches.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
August 17 2013 14:43 GMT
#3
Yeah, the Terran made poor choices that game.

Swarm Hosts are viable in ZvT, just not against 4M. They're good against Mech, but Mech is rarely used at the pro level, hence why you rarely see SH in ZvT.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
August 17 2013 20:15 GMT
#4
On August 17 2013 23:43 Salivanth wrote:
Yeah, the Terran made poor choices that game.

Swarm Hosts are viable in ZvT, just not against 4M. They're good against Mech, but Mech is rarely used at the pro level, hence why you rarely see SH in ZvT.


Agreed. You could also say Mech is rarely seen expressly because of how well swarm host play does against it.
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