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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
August 16 2013 04:58 GMT
#221
Sad news
You have done so much for those players and all of SC2/e-sports. The community is lucky to have you.
Good luck, and I am sure you will continue to do awesome things.
T P Z sagi
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
August 16 2013 04:58 GMT
#222
On August 16 2013 13:56 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:55 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

is it not a ridiculous oversight?

Still not understanding where the excuse for legal threats comes in?

expecting the most expensive part of owning an international team to be covered is ridiculous imo

...even Genna has admitted that as her mistake

I just don't see how you can run a business and just make assumptions like that

sorry
steff
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:59:13
August 16 2013 04:58 GMT
#223

Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights

Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.

Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options

Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.

Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top


I take it all back its clear Take is the real evil person in this situation.

Guy acts as reasonably as someone can > gets upset about private conversations being made public > gets jumped on by fans of the most toxic duo in e-sports.

hail to the king baby
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#224
On August 16 2013 13:56 Blargh wrote:
Guys, remember when that one girl posted Destiny's dick on reddit or something like that after she found out he was a douche bag from his skype chat? Pretty sure it's all fair game to release to public unless you've got some sort of non-disclosure agreement or whatever that is. Dicks included. (At least that scenario was much more humorous)


it's not about fair game, but professional courtesy. When you are talking "business" or have a conversation that is expected to stay between two parties, one does not just air the conversation to the public without notification and consent.
Don't mind me
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#225
On August 16 2013 13:58 steff wrote:
Show nested quote +

Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights

Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.

Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options

Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.

Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top


I take it all back its clear Take is the real evil person in this situation.

Guy acts as reasonably as someone can > gets upset about private conversations being made public > gets jumped on by fans of the most toxic duo in e-sports.



after the guy offered to help them with money this is what they do to him....
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45296 Posts
August 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#226
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#227
good luck Intricacy in your other endeavours, may they be more fruitful than axiom.
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TheArgie
Profile Joined January 2012
Argentina22 Posts
August 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#228
I'm sad as I haven't been in a while. I hope she (and her family) continue to be as awesome as always.

♥ I bring you GAMES! twitch.tv/theargietv facebook.com/theargietv
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
August 16 2013 05:01 GMT
#229
On August 16 2013 13:58 steff wrote:
Show nested quote +

Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights

Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.

Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options

Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.

Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top


I take it all back its clear Take is the real evil person in this situation.

Guy acts as reasonably as someone can > gets upset about private conversations being made public > gets jumped on by fans of the most toxic duo in e-sports.



Honestly, as these things continue to happen over and over, it feels like this is more and more true.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 05:02 GMT
#230
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.

On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
August 16 2013 05:03 GMT
#231
On August 16 2013 14:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Show nested quote +
Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.


the offline final was introduced early

really early. I mean everything you're saying Genna actually takes blame for in her past blog post
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 05:06 GMT
#232
On August 16 2013 14:03 pbjsandwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.


the offline final was introduced early

really early. I mean everything you're saying Genna actually takes blame for in her past blog post


Early, but after teams agreed to participate. Just saying. The people who are all "Genna sucks! She's totally incompetent! TaKe is great!" are completely wrongheaded about this.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
August 16 2013 05:07 GMT
#233
On August 16 2013 14:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Show nested quote +
Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.


The earliest mention of an offline final was on page 5 of the announcement thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17958539

On March 07 2013 16:41 TaKeSeN wrote:
Hey Guys,

we will provide you with some more information very soon We also had alot of stuff to do with the cebit BUT! I saw some question i would love to answer and i think you might like them!!

We cover 1500 Dollar travelexpenses to support the teams Plus! Hotels for the teams so that they don t have to pay all the costs!!! I hope this shows that we want to help the teams and we know its expensive to send 4-5 players!

Beside that this will be an onlineleague with the top 4 qualifying for the offline finale which is 2 days (Saturday/Sunday) at my place!!

More information will come!! Stay tuned and awesome first feedback <333 i am an old wc3 player and played several wc3l saisons and i was aiming for this teamleague for along time and i am happy that acer and also intel is supporting me with that <3 but also don t forget about roccat and needforseat who support the whole thing too!

Times for the qualifiers will be also announced offiicially very soon but we have to wait for an official go but it will be soon! All teams be prepared!

//Dennis
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
August 16 2013 05:08 GMT
#234
On August 16 2013 14:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:03 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
[quote]

Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.


the offline final was introduced early

really early. I mean everything you're saying Genna actually takes blame for in her past blog post


Early, but after teams agreed to participate. Just saying. The people who are all "Genna sucks! She's totally incompetent! TaKe is great!" are completely wrongheaded about this.

that is definitely going too far
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
August 16 2013 05:08 GMT
#235
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


- Mr. Tournament Guy should be held responsible for the non-communication to Axiom/Genna.
- No, Genna should have done her due diligence (whether she did it or someone else in the organization)
- The assumption of having the entire team sent to the event on the tournament's account was bad judgement.

My take on this is that TaKe was trying to defend his sponsor, and with Axiom cutting its cord from being in the tournament that fueled his anger even more thinking Genna was "tattling" on what happened. I can look at it that way, but.. that wouldn't be professional. This is both sides being unprofessional, and it turns the industry in to a shit hole.

Can you whistle-blow somewhere else?
eSports or die tryin'
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
August 16 2013 05:11 GMT
#236
Despite how this has happened I think the way TB is acting (ie. some of the posts in this thread towards TaKe) is completely unnecessary. Cynical Brit'ism irrelevant.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 16 2013 05:11 GMT
#237
On August 16 2013 14:07 juicyjames wrote:
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On August 16 2013 14:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:56 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:53 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:52 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:50 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:49 pbjsandwich wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:47 TheButtonmen wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:46 pbjsandwich wrote:
Look, I know I'm on Takes side in this situation

but I absolutely love Genna and what she's done for this community. It just really pisses me off that people want to talk shit about Take over this

Arguably, Take has done a lot more for this scene


Him doing things for the scene doesn't make him threatening to take people to court because he doesn't like their blog post acceptable.

he runs a business on a thin margin of profit....

I think this is completely fair


How does his profitability change the fact that he decided to threaten legal action over her blog post?

no

if you read my posts I think my best point is the fact that Axiom's oversight of who is paying for the travel is the biggest "fail" in this situation

that is a huge expense and the fact that she didn't realize that it was something that they would have to take care of until a week or 2 before is a huge fucking mistake


when emails aren't sent mistakes happen you know...

when you ASSUME...


Yeah that was a point I was confused about. The tournament guy did seem embarrassed that his e-mail never got CCed to Genna, but at the same time does that absolve Genna from any typical responsibilities that a team owner/ manager might have (e.g., making sure that playing in a tournament is financially feasible before agreeing to play)? I feel like Genna not getting that e-mail was obviously a problem on the tournament's side, but at the same time, I would think Axiom management should check anyway?


They didn't say there was going to be an offline final! People need to stop forgetting that. Axiom signed up for an online teamleague and then all of a sudden there was an offline final. Genna said:

Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights.


The earliest mention of an offline final was on page 5 of the announcement thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17958539

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On March 07 2013 16:41 TaKeSeN wrote:
Hey Guys,

we will provide you with some more information very soon We also had alot of stuff to do with the cebit BUT! I saw some question i would love to answer and i think you might like them!!

We cover 1500 Dollar travelexpenses to support the teams Plus! Hotels for the teams so that they don t have to pay all the costs!!! I hope this shows that we want to help the teams and we know its expensive to send 4-5 players!

Beside that this will be an onlineleague with the top 4 qualifying for the offline finale which is 2 days (Saturday/Sunday) at my place!!

More information will come!! Stay tuned and awesome first feedback <333 i am an old wc3 player and played several wc3l saisons and i was aiming for this teamleague for along time and i am happy that acer and also intel is supporting me with that <3 but also don t forget about roccat and needforseat who support the whole thing too!

Times for the qualifiers will be also announced offiicially very soon but we have to wait for an official go but it will be soon! All teams be prepared!

//Dennis

according to Genna's first blog
Who : Christopher Mönig (TakeTV)
When : Feb. 24th, 2013
Where : Email

my name is Christopher and I´m the contentmanager of TaKeTV.
Im not sure if this is the right adress to contact 'Axiom', but I only
found your business card in our office.

TaKeTV will start a european Teamleague.
The team league will start at around ~15. march(not fix yet!) and
culminate in fantastic finals at the TakeTV studio. All in all, 8 teams
will be fighting on 14 match days for another $20,000 prize money. Each
team consists of at least 4 players. The “all-kill” format will be played
in a best-of-9 and finished by a special ace player. Four teams will get a
direct invitation, while the other four participating teams will be
determined in two separate qualification tournaments.

If Axiom is interessted I would love to get a response -

Sincerely,
Christopher Mönig
Content Manager of TaKeTV
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 05:12:21
August 16 2013 05:11 GMT
#238
edit: too slow
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
August 16 2013 05:16 GMT
#239
Tangential note that everyone would do well to remember, something I keep in mind because it can happen with my job.

When speaking as a professional, or even when you might be perceived as doing so, never say anything that you would not want broadcast to the world. Then you never have to worry about it if it happens.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
August 16 2013 05:17 GMT
#240
How can TB possibly have the time to run the team like that? Besides, isn't he repeatedly pointing out that he's terrible at organizing stuff, which is why he needs someone like Genna to do that part?
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