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AxiomHate 2013 : The ATC Edition - Page 3

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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 15 2013 02:12 GMT
#41
On August 15 2013 11:10 mark05 wrote:
we could do a fundraiser to help ax go ? or too late?


Too late, and most people have already probably volunteered some $ towards MVP.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 15 2013 02:14 GMT
#42
--- Nuked ---
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 15 2013 02:34 GMT
#43
Very unfortunate situation. Hopefully Crank also recovers from his injury too
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 02:46:21
August 15 2013 02:36 GMT
#44
When Acer Teamstory Cup was first announced, I tried contacting the organisers via emailing, private messaging here on TL, Skype, social media, even some backwater IRC i dug up (on behalf of the team I'm involved with). Sadly, I never got a single response.

Whilst waiting for a response with more information on the event (ie. timezones, when matches would be played, costs), the qualifier sign-up closed and we missed out on trying to qualify. It was pretty disappointing to be honest.

Graphic designer & content creation | Always on the look-out for opportunities! | @NvUHF
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 02:44:55
August 15 2013 02:41 GMT
#45
On August 15 2013 11:14 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 10:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 10:30 JimmiC wrote:
On August 15 2013 10:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:54 JimmiC wrote:
"Moral of the Story : When communication fails, there are no winners. "


Well put, very professional response and explanation. I feel like you will get very little hate. I do think it would be wise for you to separate TB from the team. He seems good at generating attention. I don't think it's the attention thats good for the team, might grab him some more followers. But I digress. I think your post was excellent, and you lived your sentiment by communicating and not simply flaming those who don't know everything. Better to inform then flame.


JimmiC you're an idiot and you did nothing but lie and flame your way through 8 pages of drivel in the other thread, somehow I don't think we're gonna be taking you too seriously.


possible fans




Oh no, a possible fan is upset, better shut down the entire organisation.



I was warned by multiple private messages not feed the troll, even the semi famous narcissist ones. so Gnight Tb, enjoy the overcompensation. It's not going to make anything bigger but if it makes you feel better then its ok with me

LOL such a troll
You're choosing to leave the discussion because you have nothing important or useful to add, and you try to hide it by throwing around random statements to try and piss people off.
It's also better for you to leave now then get your ass totally destroyed if you try to engage in an actual discussion.
Just pointing out the obvious here.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
August 15 2013 02:48 GMT
#46
I really appreciate hearing this. While I'm very disappointed that I won't be able to see Axiom compete, I completely understand that multiple parties can be blamed and in the end it's kind of a combination of everyone's mistakes. What you have done so far for Axiom has been great and we all look forward to seeing the players compete in future events, even if they do miss out on this. As they say, when one door closes, another opens. Keep giving your best and we will never be mad.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
August 15 2013 02:59 GMT
#47
On August 15 2013 09:26 anGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 09:11 Junho.C wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:10 Conti wrote:
To get some perspective: What does a flight cost from Korea to EU, on average?


I think around $1800?


More like 1000€ max for a two way trip if you fly with Korean Air. Can be a lot less depending on the company you fly in.


1k Euro is about 1400 USD so not too far off really. Still a lot of money
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
August 15 2013 03:46 GMT
#48
I like the approach you and John take in running a team. Open and honest, it's really refreshing. Even if I don't always agree with you, you guys always have my support.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 04:20:50
August 15 2013 04:18 GMT
#49
On August 15 2013 10:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 09:54 JimmiC wrote:
"Moral of the Story : When communication fails, there are no winners. "


Well put, very professional response and explanation. I feel like you will get very little hate. I do think it would be wise for you to separate TB from the team. He seems good at generating attention. I don't think it's the attention thats good for the team, might grab him some more followers. But I digress. I think your post was excellent, and you lived your sentiment by communicating and not simply flaming those who don't know everything. Better to inform then flame.


JimmiC you're an idiot and you did nothing but lie and flame your way through 8 pages of drivel in the other thread, somehow I don't think we're gonna be taking you too seriously.


You know, I was debating lobbing some mild criticism at the flame magnet of a title Genna made, but that was done before reading the blog, and, more importantly, before skimming through that thread you mentioned. Read a little bit of JimmiC's comments, too. I gotta admit, that was an ouch moment. Hit me right in the faith for humanity.
Mild tangent, but Genna, your PR skills are amazing. When you say things you strike a perfect balance between humility, aggression, logic and openess. I could probably blab on for a while about why what you're doing is so hard, but I should probably just leave it at "You're amazing" so I don't scare off all the forum-goers with a pointless wall of text.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
August 15 2013 04:37 GMT
#50
I mean really, I blame the TakeTV staff for failing to send you the information. That's pretty much the prime reason that this happened to Axiom. Even so I don't completely blame and stick my pitchfork up at TakeTV for a mistake. Granted the consequences were clearly massive, but hopefully they've learned from it.
Imperative Gaming Owner | Grandmaster Zerg | https://twitter.com/SacrilegeSC2 | https://www.twitch.tv/shadowbites
sAfricanus
Profile Joined December 2012
7 Posts
August 15 2013 04:43 GMT
#51
Hey don't worry about it Genna, just one of those things. It's not a huge deal at all, Im sure you're already seeing this, cool to see full disclosure of what happened tho. So important in business to keep written records.
gslavik
Profile Joined August 2010
United States72 Posts
August 15 2013 04:51 GMT
#52
I consider option D.

D) Humans make mistakes. We cannot replicate our process 100% accurately. It will be sad, but life is life.
"I am infallible, you should know that by now." --Dogbert
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
August 15 2013 04:55 GMT
#53
That sure does suck. Appreciate genna going out if her way to bring it to light.

Both make valid points and can't see a reason to single out someone to blame.

Maybe next time
FetusThrower
Profile Joined August 2013
United States50 Posts
August 15 2013 04:59 GMT
#54
Such a sad story in eSports.. Axiom is my favorite team, and it really blows that this had to happen. I guess it's a learning experience for everyone. I definitely blame Acer and ATC for the mishaps.. There is no way in hell you can be blamed even the slightest for this. Also really sucks hearing that CranK's neck is still messed up . I was hoping it'd get better sooner rather than later, and now it feels like it's almost worse.


Get better, CranK. And good luck in the future tournaments (Bucharest!), Axiom. Love you guys!
{~Ever gotten so mad you could just throw babies?~} - Frequent twitch viewer/web personality with "sub-bronze" SC2 analysis
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 05:06:18
August 15 2013 05:04 GMT
#55
I will admit, I haven't read everything in the OP as it's fairly long. However, I still believe better choices could have been made. But since I'm not the team owner, and I recall reading that most of the team is physically unfit to play, there's no point in forcing the players to play either. Axiom and its players still has my support though, like they always do.

On August 15 2013 11:12 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 11:10 mark05 wrote:
we could do a fundraiser to help ax go ? or too late?


Too late, and most people have already probably volunteered some $ towards MVP.

And they deserve it if the community feels that they deserve it. However, I don't think Axiom deserves any money from us/me, simply because TotalBiscuit fired shots at MVP and basically called them beggars.
ratpac
Profile Joined May 2012
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 05:12:04
August 15 2013 05:06 GMT
#56
No pitchforks. And things like this are one of the many reasons that Axiom is one of my favorite teams. Thank you very much for being so transparent with the whole situation and not keeping the fans in the dark.
I know laying out details like this probably only brings more pitchforks, but for me personally, it shows a great deal of respect. Thanks again.

Edit: Oh yeah, and what happened to Crank? Wrists?
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 15 2013 06:07 GMT
#57
There are people actually made at Axiom for not being able to send their players over? I dont understand how you could be angry at them. Ah well I dont blame anyone. Sucky situation but I know Axiom will continue to be a strong team.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 15 2013 06:26 GMT
#58
Considering the possible high costs when NA/KR teams have to travel to Germany for the finals, it would have made more sense to have it piggyback another tournament, like IPL did with IPTL. 10+ people traveling for one game each just doesn´t make sense to me. My 2 cents: Either keep it European only, or online, or make it part of an event that teams travel too anyway.
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 07:20:32
August 15 2013 07:13 GMT
#59
Thank you for being so forthcoming with all the info Genna. It's a very welcome turn of events when the 'people up there' don't treat us 'down here' like idiots. Thank you for giving us all the information available so that we can see and understand and decide for ourselves whether we like it or not. Turns out, we 'internet nobodies' have brains afterall!

However, my opinion (based on following different eSports scenes for more than a decade, and even attempted at running my own team), is that it is not reasonable to assume that travel expenses to an event you're invited to will be covered by the organisers, unless they explicitly state so.

The fact that 'all other team leagues in SC2 do so' is irrelevant considering that there were basically no offline team leagues outside of Korea, and to my knowledge, most European events do not pay for players to fly over to their tournaments.

TaKeTV should have sent out that mailshot, but if it was already stated in a Skype conversation with all the team managers, if was included in TaKe's Press Release about the offline finals, and if the other team managers, and all of us spectators were aware of it, you should have been too.

I don't blame you for taking the decision that you did when you became aware of the circumstances, but I do believe it was avoidable by not assuming that all travel will be paid for, especially when it is not being organised by a huge company like IGN, MLG or ESL.

Eitherway, I'm happy to see Millenium attending, and I wish you all the best for GSTL.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
caret-
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland6 Posts
August 15 2013 07:19 GMT
#60
The Korean teams are usually really chocked when the travel expenses are not paid by the tourney. But it's common sense for foreign teams I guess. For example Assembly (asus rog) tourneys in Finland, No One got their trip/hotels paid (and it is an Invitation only tournament!). I don't know why a player from a further away country should be entitled 1000$ for a trip, but a player close by would receive 0$? Or should only Korean players get their trips paid?

I believe in that the team sponsor has to pay the trips. Fair for all.
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