EPTSome call this event unfortunate, I prefer to see it as a karma retribution.
PS : I laughed at the supposition that Millenium replacing Axiom is unfair for other teams seeing how Axiom is the only team who beat them twice ...
AxiomHate 2013 : The ATC Edition - Page 6
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Some call this event unfortunate, I prefer to see it as a karma retribution. PS : I laughed at the supposition that Millenium replacing Axiom is unfair for other teams seeing how Axiom is the only team who beat them twice ... | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:54 Otolia wrote: It appears this is the thread where we most conveniently forget that Axiom had their way with the schedule for ATC. Should they have played every week like every other team, things could have gone very differently for such a small team with all its member in Korea. Some call this event unfortunate, I prefer to see it as a karma retribution. PS : I laughed at the supposition that Millenium replacing Axiom is unfair for other teams seeing how Axiom is the only team who beat them twice ... I'm sure that Axiom tried their best with the schedule they were given... What was the ATC goign to do? Disqualify them for every match they couldn't make? What kind of a league would that be? | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 16 2013 04:26 ffadicted wrote: Something I never understood is why teams/players/etc feel entitled that tournaments should pay for all their expenses to play at the tournament...? I really don't understand that at all. Shouldn't that be the team/sponsor's job If a team is going to spend its time competing in an event, and they end up reaching an offline portion, they should be compensated for their time. What does the team gain from spending time participating in a league? The chance that they might make some money? That's not a very good business model. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:54 Otolia wrote: It appears this is the thread where we most conveniently forget that Axiom had their way with the schedule for ATC. Should they have played every week like every other team, things could have gone very differently for such a small team with all its member in Korea. Some call this event unfortunate, I prefer to see it as a karma retribution. PS : I laughed at the supposition that Millenium replacing Axiom is unfair for other teams seeing how Axiom is the only team who beat them twice ... Pretty tasteless of a Millenium fanboy to gloat that much. :/ | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:54 Otolia wrote: It appears this is the thread where we most conveniently forget that Axiom had their way with the schedule for ATC. Should they have played every week like every other team, things could have gone very differently for such a small team with all its member in Korea. Some call this event unfortunate, I prefer to see it as a karma retribution. PS : I laughed at the supposition that Millenium replacing Axiom is unfair for other teams seeing how Axiom is the only team who beat them twice ... Well damn, can't seem to let things go can you? Millenium had a great run in the ATC, and now they get to compete in the playoffs. Great, now there's no need to bash on Axiom. It just makes you sound bitter. You can bitch all you want about matches being delayed, but I bet you wouldn't have said anything if Axiom delaying their matches until the end had benefited Millenium's playoff chances. Millenium got lucky. They had a great tournament run, got barely edged out due to map score, and now get a second chance. Rejoice. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:50 Kasaraki wrote: Pretty tasteless of a Millenium fanboy to gloat that much. :/ Like it is for Totalbiscuit to insult everyone in LR threads but I don't see you complaining that. Besides I'm not in the tasty business, I'm in the business of saying my opinion all the time and not missing an opportunity for payback. On August 16 2013 07:39 Bagration wrote: Well damn, can't seem to let things go can you? Millenium had a great run in the ATC, and now they get to compete in the playoffs. Great, now there's no need to bash on Axiom. It just makes you sound bitter. You can bitch all you want about matches being delayed, but I bet you wouldn't have said anything if Axiom delaying their matches until the end had benefited Millenium's playoff chances. Millenium got lucky. They had a great tournament run, got barely edged out due to map score, and now get a second chance. Rejoice. Bash ? Where do I bash Axiom here ? I'm merely stating facts. But yeah when someone personnally insults me, I take every opportunity to bask in their demise. I'm that kind of guy. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:07 JimmiC wrote: Golfers pay there own way to tournaments. Its up to them to find sponsors so on. Same with Nascar. All pro sports teams pay for there own travel. Poker same thing. Wait no they don't, you think everyone walks around with those stupid pokerstars logos because they really like the site? And golfers are generally guaranteed more money than the cost. Team leagues are extremely unattractive costwise for teams. I don't know anything about the workings of Axiom. But if I told a sponsor we invested 6k for a 1 in 4 chance the players win 10k, they would have me thrown out on the spot. Just like Axiom, we take nothing from the players prizemoney, but at the end of the day you have to do the simple math. When you're better off giving the money to the players rather than letting them play, it's extremely hard to justify sending them. That's why, especially after such a long qualification process, I'd have been very disappointed as well that there wasn't more money to cover travel. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Littlesheep
Canada217 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
"Costs: We will pay 1,500$ and the Hotel, Eating at the venue and will manage the whole transport from/to the airport (dusseldorf) We are sorry but we can´t provide more money for the Travelcost this Season (but this was announcent already in March when the league started) Hope this will help already." To me at least, sounded like its only $1,500 and the hotel that they pay for. The last bit says that you have to pay for the travel costs yourself which makes sense. I guess I'm confused as to how that was missed or it was Take's fault. | ||
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senfkatze
Germany66 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:02 senfkatze wrote: somethings wrong here.... someone said a flight is 1000$ 2 ways. So that would be 4k total.. 4 players, right? Minus 1500 take would have paid = 2,5k, axiom would have to pay themselves. Genna said (i think) somewhere in the OP even if they made 1st place in the tournament it would be not enough to even pay the flights... although the first place money is 10k. even the 3rd (of 4 total) spot would give them 3k, which is, together with takes money 4,5k, which is already more than then flights cost. Seems weird. 1000 euros, which is closer to $1500. Also, tournament winnings are also generally taxed (not sure how it works in Germany)...plus you'd be taking the prize money from the players. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:02 senfkatze wrote: somethings wrong here.... someone said a flight is 1000$ 2 ways. So that would be 4k total.. 4 players, right? Minus 1500 take would have paid = 2,5k, axiom would have to pay themselves. Genna said (i think) somewhere in the OP even if they made 1st place in the tournament it would be not enough to even pay the flights... although the first place money is 10k. even the 3rd (of 4 total) spot would give them 3k, which is, together with takes money 4,5k, which is already more than then flights cost. Seems weird. I remember paying around 1600 euro per flight to DH Summer. I don't know about Kreveld(?) Germany, I'm sure someone can look it up. Quick math; 1600 *4 = 6400. Add a third to go to $. ~$8500 8500-1500= $7000 While on topic. Why are a European events prizes in US anyway? I misread that originally. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 17 2013 05:28 Martijn wrote: I remember paying around 1600 euro per flight to DH Summer. I don't know about Kreveld(?) Germany, I'm sure someone can look it up. Quick math; 1600 *4 = 6400. Add a third to go to $. ~$8500 8500-1500= $7000 While on topic. Why are a European events prizes in US anyway? I misread that originally. Pretty much everything's listed in dollars in esports, I guess. That way American's don't need to convert anything and organizers can make their prize pools look bigger than they actually are to Europeans. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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mafaba
Germany73 Posts
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