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Panozen
248 Posts
On August 15 2013 19:20 NHY wrote: That could mean anything from "live from venue" to "filmed broadcast from replays." Oh cmon man, read the line again, it's pretty clear. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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Penev
28464 Posts
On August 15 2013 19:12 Stijn wrote: ...sexist? I felt weird saying "Intricacy" since that's not how she's usually referred to as far as I've seen, and "Genna" sounded way too intimate. I'd never refer to TotalBiscuit as "John" either, but he's usually called by his nickname. Leaves "Mrs Bain", nothing sexist about that  On another note, pretty much all of Take's broadcasts are live from the TakeTV studios, even when he's just casting an online tournament or replays, so that e-mail didn't necessarily say much. Haha, I'm sorry; It felt more polite and sweet than anything else. Don't understand why you'd feel weird saying Intricacy though but whatever. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 15 2013 19:34 grs wrote: Intricacy, maybe you feel so much hate, since the amount of perceived hate is much higher than the actual hate. Most people supported your decision. I don't get why you make such a drama over some people not agreeing with you. She's married to Total Biscuit, inventing drama that doesn't exist in order to get mad and whine and cry about it on the internet is his raison d'etre, no surprise it's rubbing off. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TenakaKhan
Germany4 Posts
On August 15 2013 17:29 Intricacy wrote: Just going to reiterate here again for those who might not have read my previous comment. When we were invited, there was no mention of any offline portion. None. You can read our invitation email, the rules, etc., not one word said a thing about an offline finals. If they had said "oh and we will have an offline final", I'd have asked for info about compensation. However, since it was added after the fact, I assumed no organizer would spring an offline finals on teams that had already accepted an invitation unless they were the ones paying for the flights. but in the very first mail: TaKeTV will start a european Teamleague. The team league will start at around ~15. march(not fix yet!) and culminate in fantastic finals at the TakeTV studio. So there clearly is some blame on your part. Not the big part maybe but you act so very selfrightous.... atleast thats how it comes across to me. Totally unrelated: That Crank is injured may be a good reason to withdraw, but it should not have anything to do with the financial part. Also the commitment to other tournements as a reason not to compete in this one disturbes me. I can totally understand your decision and it is probably the correct one businesswise, but the reasoning feels somewhat screwed for me. Why not just say, there was misscommunication (on both sides?) and we have other reasons why this is not our first priority - and be over with it? A replacement is found, Take seems to be okay with it, good enough for me. Not a proud day but an okay day. edit: apparently someone was faster, sorry for the more or less double post. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
 . Now I wish Axiom the best of luck at all the other events, hope that Axiom keeps becoming a financially more stable business and to see them again in ATC S2!Thanks for that awesome blog post by the way Genna, very well written and makes things easy to understand. Also seems unbiased. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
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spectres
United Kingdom88 Posts
This just draws more negative attention to Axiom than was present in the first place and makes Axiom management look like they aren't confident in their decisions. You made the decision, you have your reasons, you know they're legit, one announcement and an apology backed up by Take should have been the end of it. Don't pander to the whiny sods who are only capable of findings negatives in anything. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
Prize: Date: Format: Offline or Online: If Offline, what expenses are paid if anything: IMO it's just too expensive for offline team leagues unless the team league is in a central location where all teams are capable of traveling through the use of public transportation (bus/subways/taxi/etc)...basically like Proleague and GSTL I do side more with Axiom though b/c I do agree with their assumptions and actions. And it was a communication issue more on the side of TakeTV as the contract seemed to leave out some crucial information but we are humans and mistakes happen. If you leave out information like there being an offline event, one can only assume that you are not having one (offline event). | ||
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Vond
Sweden145 Posts
Few pages late already I'm sure, but this sounds over the top. From Sweden to Korea you can fly for $600 at least so that sounds extreme to me | ||
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Kylo55
Poland64 Posts
Communication issues happen, it sucks but its nothing to cry about to much. Sad too not see Axiom in ATC finals, but i feel like other teams could learn a lot from Axiom how to contact with community. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
While we can read forums all day everyday, she has to run a team and I guess she also got a private life, so while its a SMALL mistake on the part of TaKeTV it made the situation rather dull. I cannot understand why Genna accepted the invite assuming it will all be online when it states 'at the studio' but as mentioned, the mail she didn't receive was the crucial point here. I am not blaming anyone, it simply happend and mistakes do happen in every mistake. She is also right about that really the fans and other players are robbed. I think Axiom can take that 'hit' very well and I feel she is doing reasonable business decision here, but its overall a very unfortunate situation overall. I was looking forward to see and cast Axiom at the studio especially Ryung who seemed to be on fire lately, shame, my loss. Hope they can do well in season 2 | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On August 15 2013 20:55 Vond wrote: Few pages late already I'm sure, but this sounds over the top. From Sweden to Korea you can fly for $600 at least so that sounds extreme to me If you can tolerate layovers you can go between Germany and Korea round trip for about 600$, 1000$ for late booking. Direct flights should be about 50% more (up to two weeks prior, afterwards it gets crazy but they had two weeks). Layovers can take up to 12h though so that sucks a little. On that matter, simply assuming that an event will shell out 5.000+$ for travel for a single team (flights, accomodation, transportation etc.) seems highly optimistic...and then still warrants asking about it prior to signing anything. Also, can anybody explain to me why Axiom didn't have a joker? They were already down to 5 players and later 4 during the season, having a joker would potentially have lessened the burden of getting 4 players over there and allowed them to deal with injuries. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
Some people may find fault for one of the parties, but the truth is, one is a bunch of people supporting eSports through event management, and another is through team management. Hopefully everyone involved learns from this incident and we can move forward into positive and prosperous times. | ||
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Penev
28464 Posts
On August 15 2013 20:13 Musicus wrote: I won't point my patchfork anywhere, but the fact remains that 8/9 teams knew about the travel cost. One missed mail by TakeTV should not be enough to not know about it at all. Also I don't think assuming they would pay the full travel cost is reasonable just because IPL did it. But yeah it's just a bad situation for everyone with no one alone being at fault. No pitchfork here, but if I had to choose it would be a . Now I wish Axiom the best of luck at all the other events, hope that Axiom keeps becoming a financially more stable business and to see them again in ATC S2!Thanks for that awesome blog post by the way Genna, very well written and makes things easy to understand. Also seems unbiased. That's one of the best typo's I've ever seen; Patchfork FTW! XD | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Gunz24
United States19 Posts
All of this blows, end of story. I will say however, as a TB/Axiom fan, John you gotta stay out of these threads. Every time Genna makes a post it's well written, on point and professional and then the moment someone's negative you come in and just slam on the unprofessional, name calling schtick. While this is probably fine for the Total Biscuit brand it's killing the Axiom brand (for me at least). My .02, take it or leave it. Best of luck to you both in the future, please send my regards to Crank I hope he gets well soon. -Z | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
(Sundance, MLG, please take note on how you communicate to the SC2 community, a great example is provided here). | ||
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vrmr
21 Posts
i never took part in any esports competition with a larger prize pool, so i dont know how things are run, but especially if there is a substantial amount of money involved, the whole deal should be written down and signed? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
So, I would suggest making it more obvious who you are, if you are someone relevant. | ||
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