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AxiomHate 2013 : The ATC Edition - Page 2

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Olex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States135 Posts
August 15 2013 00:38 GMT
#21
Very impressive, illuminating blog. Thank you so much for the transparency! There's so much secrecy in the scene as people try to control messages by carefully syphoning information, usually at a drip. A refreshing, professional explanation. Sad to hear good teams not being able to participate in good events... but as a manager who has made the other kind of fiscal decision (budget be damned) and eaten my hat for it, I certainly respect your decision. Axiom Fighting!
Bugs in amber
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
August 15 2013 00:40 GMT
#22
On August 15 2013 09:33 Junho.C wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 09:25 Intricacy wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:08 Junho.C wrote:
Isn't prize money, traveling information, and tournament format the first thing a team manager should look at before signing up for a tournament? If the traveling information was somehow missing from the info. you received from TaKe, why didn't you contact him to ask before signing up? It seems like a reasonable assumption to make from the get go that full traveling fees won't be provided for all the teams qualified for the playoff considering the prize pool is only $20,000.


Since the first email didn't even say anything about an offline finals, I had no idea. I sort of assumed it would all be online only until it was revealed later the would be an offline finals.


How did you not find about about it til so late into the tournament? It was known for awhile and even listed on liquipedia.


Kind of busy with a lot of things. PAX East, broke my fibula rendering me disabled, WCS was a shock to the system that's for sure, trying to prevent Miya from retiring,, a large portion of focus was on GSTL, I produced SHOUTcraft America, SC2L, the ongoing search for a Zerg.... It all got to be so much, which is why I took on an assistant manager. Even though I don't get paid a dime to run this team I've always tried to run it like a person who does. I'm just grateful that now I have an assistant who should help avoid instances like this in the future.
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 15 2013 00:42 GMT
#23
"Moral of the Story : When communication fails, there are no winners. " sums it up pretty well for me.
Thanks for the blog, it is nice how open you are about these things
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Junho.C
Profile Joined May 2012
United States73 Posts
August 15 2013 00:43 GMT
#24
On August 15 2013 09:40 Intricacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 09:33 Junho.C wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:25 Intricacy wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:08 Junho.C wrote:
Isn't prize money, traveling information, and tournament format the first thing a team manager should look at before signing up for a tournament? If the traveling information was somehow missing from the info. you received from TaKe, why didn't you contact him to ask before signing up? It seems like a reasonable assumption to make from the get go that full traveling fees won't be provided for all the teams qualified for the playoff considering the prize pool is only $20,000.


Since the first email didn't even say anything about an offline finals, I had no idea. I sort of assumed it would all be online only until it was revealed later the would be an offline finals.


How did you not find about about it til so late into the tournament? It was known for awhile and even listed on liquipedia.


Kind of busy with a lot of things. PAX East, broke my fibula rendering me disabled, WCS was a shock to the system that's for sure, trying to prevent Miya from retiring,, a large portion of focus was on GSTL, I produced SHOUTcraft America, SC2L, the ongoing search for a Zerg.... It all got to be so much, which is why I took on an assistant manager. Even though I don't get paid a dime to run this team I've always tried to run it like a person who does. I'm just grateful that now I have an assistant who should help avoid instances like this in the future.


1 person can't run a whole SC2 team, especially not one that is as proactive as Axiom in foreign scenes. I'm glad you have some help now.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 15 2013 00:54 GMT
#25
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
August 15 2013 00:56 GMT
#26
Meh, mistakes happen, but I'm pretty surprised that nobody at Axiom even asked about travel costs and whether or not they were funded. It seems like a weird thing to assume, especially without checking in any capacity.

Oh well, here's hoping that it provides a lesson to everybody involved to communicate better in the future.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Angelavenger
Profile Joined March 2012
United States59 Posts
August 15 2013 00:57 GMT
#27
I love axiom and its sad, but i look forward to the rest the stuff they are doing this year. the first guy really seemed frustrating to communicate with. impressed you didn't punch through your monitor lol.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:05:40
August 15 2013 01:05 GMT
#28
On August 15 2013 09:54 JimmiC wrote:
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"Moral of the Story : When communication fails, there are no winners. "


Well put, very professional response and explanation. I feel like you will get very little hate. I do think it would be wise for you to separate TB from the team. He seems good at generating attention. I don't think it's the attention thats good for the team, might grab him some more followers. But I digress. I think your post was excellent, and you lived your sentiment by communicating and not simply flaming those who don't know everything. Better to inform then flame.


JimmiC you're an idiot and you did nothing but lie and flame your way through 8 pages of drivel in the other thread, somehow I don't think we're gonna be taking you too seriously.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 15 2013 01:10 GMT
#29
Genna, thank you for your forthrightness. I hope Crank gets better. Kudos to Dennis for being such a great guy. Thanks to MIllenium for stepping in.
Don't mind me
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:11:57
August 15 2013 01:10 GMT
#30
Honestly the assumption that if you qualify for a team league the expenses are covered is completely reasonable. It's practically impossible for a team to make it work otherwise. I'm not quite sure what the thought was including teams from other continents when it was clear there would be no way for it to be financially viable.

It seems some people here have no clue how much money running a team costs every month. They'd probably have a heart attack if they find out how much WW spent on DH Winter for example (2 sf4 players, 5 man csgo team, 6 sc2 players and 2 managers). And HSC and EMS were in that same month as well.


On a barely related note. Personally, I think asking for handouts and donations is screwed up if you can do without. Teams asking for donations to get team houses or event support give me a headache. There's teams that can barely stay afloat, let them ask for donations. They actually need it.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 15 2013 01:14 GMT
#31
btw, Dennis is personally helping to cover some expenses for Team Liquid? I though Liquid would be the last team in needing assistance. hmmm, I wonder what the story is.
Don't mind me
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 15 2013 01:17 GMT
#32
assumptions in contracts, the bane of a legal defense lawyer's sanity.

seems like everyone acted reasonably once the assumptions were removed. take once again showing he is a stand up guy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 15 2013 01:30 GMT
#33
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Sciurine
Profile Joined January 2013
United States11 Posts
August 15 2013 01:31 GMT
#34
I was very sad to hear the news that my favorite team won't be participating; but I can't bring myself to be honestly mad at anyone involved, especially with all the transparency you've provided Genna.

Well, silver lining is that this will give the team a bit more 'down time' so they can come back firing on all cylinders for Dreamhack. Axiom FIGHTING!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:47:05
August 15 2013 01:44 GMT
#35
Thanks Genna this is truly wonderful what you do, I don't pick a side, thats my side
No point to hate on either one people just have to accept whats happen.
(the moral of the story is pretty much spot on)

I hope that a lot of people will learn about how awesome Dennis is.

What if you had done a fund raiser like MVP did, was the timespan just too short?
A Axiom Shoutcraft fund raiser can bring in a lot, like TB speculating doing when the team was formed.
Why haven't this been done, even if TB and others are fine with shoveling money the fund raisers could be used for unexpected mishaps to help support.

Edit: Also best of wishes to Crank.
The curse is real
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 15 2013 01:46 GMT
#36
On August 15 2013 10:30 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 10:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:54 JimmiC wrote:
"Moral of the Story : When communication fails, there are no winners. "


Well put, very professional response and explanation. I feel like you will get very little hate. I do think it would be wise for you to separate TB from the team. He seems good at generating attention. I don't think it's the attention thats good for the team, might grab him some more followers. But I digress. I think your post was excellent, and you lived your sentiment by communicating and not simply flaming those who don't know everything. Better to inform then flame.


JimmiC you're an idiot and you did nothing but lie and flame your way through 8 pages of drivel in the other thread, somehow I don't think we're gonna be taking you too seriously.


possible fans




Oh no, a possible fan is upset, better shut down the entire organisation.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Ygritte
Profile Joined March 2013
Austria51 Posts
August 15 2013 01:54 GMT
#37
maybe i did miss something? why don't you check BEFORE entering a tournament how the situation regarding offline finals is? as i see it taketv/acer/atc made it clear from the beginning how the situation regarding the finals is, i just don't see how this is not the teams fault.

btw. wtf how can you just post private message logs on tl, LOL
i tell you to come to sarn and here you are
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 15 2013 02:07 GMT
#38
Great blog, clears mostly everything up, just sad at this point that Axiom can't attend. Take is a true gent.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
August 15 2013 02:07 GMT
#39
Title of the blog seems overly dramatic. As does the pitchfork remarks. I really don't see how these events could possibly cause the uproar from the community that you seem to expect. Not towards Axiom, TakeTV nor Acer.

Just chill..

Thank you for the transparancy into the team/organisation anyway and good luck at Dreamhack.
mark05
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada807 Posts
August 15 2013 02:10 GMT
#40
we could do a fundraiser to help ax go ? or too late?
yes, I'm MarkOhFive
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