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Hi TL,
So I wrote this massive thing on my mind that was preventing me from sleeping and I really wanted to get some opinions on it. I appreciated the responses but I agree that it's best to shut it down now because I talked about some people in a biased and negative way and in general shared more I normally would have. Of course I know last night's blog is not completely erased on the internet but shit happens and any advice on that matter would help me.
Anyway, I'm going to talk to the boss informally today about what's happening to the math/science jobs and only talking about what I've done and what I want to do, I'll update this and tell you how it went.
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Well it sounds like you are working hard, enjoying your job, and want to stay, so as long as you show these things to your boss and have a professional discussion with him, I can't see it going that badly. It makes sense that you want and need to know if you will be staying or not.
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Thanks man. It's been keeping me up (12.44am here) and I got work at 7am today. But it kind of comforts me to have it laid out there even though it's not pretty.
thanks again =)
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Nice blog, just my 2 cents but I would ignore the assistant and go to your main boss. I wouldn't ask about your future , but I would make damn sure he knows you love it there and what you would like to improve with the school and your plans in it. Gauge his reaction if he seems interested and excited you should be ok, if he is just meh maybe its time to look into a future somewhere else.
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I am the type that does not share plans and stuff with cold bosses unless I am very comfortable with them so i would say not to discuss any of these to them instead discuss this to other friends out of school that does not share mutual interest as sharing could backfire one day.
Just think of your motivation for working this job, if it still fits your motivation stay, if not and the cons outweigh the pro then leave.
TLDR: If you are still happy stay, if you are not leave. Don't share plans with cowokers, even bosses. As they can be used against you.
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Even so, I had a falling out with a friend because when I had a car incident with the gate scraping the side of my car, she laughed her ass off at the school gates drawing attention of kids waiting for their parents (like 50 or so) and humuliated me. She tried to pass it off as me 'playing the victim', that it was 'friendly banter', offered me some potato chips as an apology. I told her we were over familiar with each other. So I don't talk to her, she's pretty mad at me for ignoring her while I do work.
Seriously? You are playing the victim and i would call something like that friendly banter.
Aside from that you don't seem to have much to worry about and I actually wonder why you worry at all?
If the Kids like you, their parents like you and if it's not because your just letting everyone pass it would be pretty dumb from them to let you go whiteout damn good reason?
You even got 500$ extra?
I see no reason to not talk to your Boss... Just bring that stuff up at your next interview?
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On August 06 2013 23:57 woreyour wrote:
I am the type that does not share plans and stuff with cold bosses unless I am very comfortable with them so i would say not to discuss any of these to them instead discuss this to other friends out of school that does not share mutual interest as sharing could backfire one day.
Just think of your motivation for working this job, if it still fits your motivation stay, if not and the cons outweigh the pro then leave.
TLDR: If you are still happy stay, if you are not leave. Don't share plans with cowokers, even bosses. As they can be used against you.
I like this type of thinking, but I don't think I'm the type to walk away without explaining why first. Some days when I think about the bitching/admin issues I wonder what it's like at other workplaces (this is my first school). But I feel I owe him some explanation if I was to leave. Still though, I 100% agree with you on showing discretion.
Office politics is pretty cut throat, lots of people talk to the AP and there are definitely alliances for right and wrong reasons. I've been personally told by a few people to watch what I say for my own sake like it's a conspiracy and it's scary how everyone believes it so it really becomes truth itself.
I just want to teach and be in a classroom. I really feel that's one of my main purposes in life, i just love teaching. I take on all the admin, bitching and even the AP on board as part of the cost and just develop thick skin + really nice headphones.
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edit. You're probably right.
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On August 07 2013 00:13 Brocket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 23:57 woreyour wrote:
I am the type that does not share plans and stuff with cold bosses unless I am very comfortable with them so i would say not to discuss any of these to them instead discuss this to other friends out of school that does not share mutual interest as sharing could backfire one day.
Just think of your motivation for working this job, if it still fits your motivation stay, if not and the cons outweigh the pro then leave.
TLDR: If you are still happy stay, if you are not leave. Don't share plans with cowokers, even bosses. As they can be used against you. I like this type of thinking, but I don't think I'm the type to walk away without explaining why first. Some days when I think about the bitching/admin issues I wonder what it's like at other workplaces (this is my first school). But I feel I owe him some explanation if I was to leave. Still though, I 100% agree with you on showing discretion. Office politics is pretty cut throat, lots of people talk to the AP and there are definitely alliances for right and wrong reasons. I've been personally told by a few people to watch what I say for my own sake like it's a conspiracy and it's scary how everyone believes it so it really becomes truth itself. I just want to teach and be in a classroom. I really feel that's one of my main purposes in life, i just love teaching. I take on all the admin, bitching and even the AP on board as part of the cost and just develop thick skin + really nice headphones.
In my years in the "working" industry I have seen a lot of instances and examples that led me to be the cautious neutral - just doing my job person. As I observed in my journey, whatever industry of interest it would be there always competition and usually officemates are hiding cutthroats unless you really get to know them or they became your real friends. Hell they can be the "friends" and still be traitors at the end. With that, I came up with the theory that this could be innert instincts of being in a competitive enviroment and as workers for the same interest, everybody in your industry is a potential competitor. (I was just theorizing as to why such behavoirs come about so its just me  ) Anyway, that is why I resort to other people out of that interest (no conflict of interest) or real trusted friends for such matters just to be on the safe side. Always cover your ass - that's my work ethic.
As for the explanation, you don't owe him an explanation and/or you don't really need to be honest. You can just say that I have seen better opportunities or have more convenient options thats why I am leaving. Also if you tell him that you have beef with other workmates it would have an impact to your credibility, professionalism and the way he (boss) sees you - which can be a negative thing. This is also why in interviews I dont talk shit about my previous company or collegues - It shows weakness. Also telling him might discourage his recommendation to your new school (just thinking ahead - Thanks SC2 LOL). But if you really want to tell him about the bitch people in your school, by all means tell him but I suggest after you landed a new job or your in a good position already (again just to be safe).
Being the neutral kind has its advantages, it provides you with that gap that makes them respect you and you are less vulnerable to tirades and critism. The cons is that if they are looking for someone to promote they would rather pick someone near them if ability and skill wise both candidates are equal but in teaching this is not a bit factor. Also this can be countered if you always bring free food for them (pro-tip) LOL
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On August 07 2013 00:31 woreyour wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:13 Brocket wrote:On August 06 2013 23:57 woreyour wrote:
I am the type that does not share plans and stuff with cold bosses unless I am very comfortable with them so i would say not to discuss any of these to them instead discuss this to other friends out of school that does not share mutual interest as sharing could backfire one day.
Just think of your motivation for working this job, if it still fits your motivation stay, if not and the cons outweigh the pro then leave.
TLDR: If you are still happy stay, if you are not leave. Don't share plans with cowokers, even bosses. As they can be used against you. I like this type of thinking, but I don't think I'm the type to walk away without explaining why first. Some days when I think about the bitching/admin issues I wonder what it's like at other workplaces (this is my first school). But I feel I owe him some explanation if I was to leave. Still though, I 100% agree with you on showing discretion. Office politics is pretty cut throat, lots of people talk to the AP and there are definitely alliances for right and wrong reasons. I've been personally told by a few people to watch what I say for my own sake like it's a conspiracy and it's scary how everyone believes it so it really becomes truth itself. I just want to teach and be in a classroom. I really feel that's one of my main purposes in life, i just love teaching. I take on all the admin, bitching and even the AP on board as part of the cost and just develop thick skin + really nice headphones. In my years in the "working" industry I have seen a lot of instances and examples that led me to be the cautious neutral - just doing my job person. As I observed in my journey, whatever industry of interest it would be there always competition and usually officemates are hiding cutthroats unless you really get to know them or they became your real friends. Hell they can be the "friends" and still be traitors at the end. With that, I came up with the theory that this could be innert instincts of being in a competitive enviroment and as workers for the same interest, everybody in your industry is a potential competitor. (I was just theorizing as to why such behavoirs come about so its just me ) Anyway, that is why I resort to other people out of that interest (no conflict of interest) or real trusted friends for such matters just to be on the safe side. Always cover your ass - that's my work ethic. As for the explanation, you don't owe him an explanation and/or you don't really need to be honest. You can just say that I have seen better opportunities or have more convenient options thats why I am leaving. Also if you tell him that you have beef with other workmates it would have an impact to your credibility, professionalism and the way he (boss) sees you - which can be a negative thing. This is also why in interviews I dont talk shit about my previous company or collegues - It shows weakness. Also telling him might discourage his recommendation to your new school (just thinking ahead - Thanks SC2 LOL). But if you really want to tell him about the bitch people in your school, by all means tell him but I suggest after you landed a new job or your in a good position already (again just to be safe). Being the neutral kind has its advantages, it provides you with that gap that makes them respect you and you are less vulnerable to tirades and critism. The cons is that if they are looking for someone to promote they would rather pick someone near them if ability and skill wise both candidates are equal but in teaching this is not a bit factor.
That was really insightful. It reminds to take care of my actual friends better, I only have a couple real friends who I see outside of school. And yeh, I really want to separate talking shit and doing my job. I really like your advice man. Seems like I got a lot to learn!
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On August 07 2013 00:38 Brocket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:31 woreyour wrote:On August 07 2013 00:13 Brocket wrote:On August 06 2013 23:57 woreyour wrote:
I am the type that does not share plans and stuff with cold bosses unless I am very comfortable with them so i would say not to discuss any of these to them instead discuss this to other friends out of school that does not share mutual interest as sharing could backfire one day.
Just think of your motivation for working this job, if it still fits your motivation stay, if not and the cons outweigh the pro then leave.
TLDR: If you are still happy stay, if you are not leave. Don't share plans with cowokers, even bosses. As they can be used against you. I like this type of thinking, but I don't think I'm the type to walk away without explaining why first. Some days when I think about the bitching/admin issues I wonder what it's like at other workplaces (this is my first school). But I feel I owe him some explanation if I was to leave. Still though, I 100% agree with you on showing discretion. Office politics is pretty cut throat, lots of people talk to the AP and there are definitely alliances for right and wrong reasons. I've been personally told by a few people to watch what I say for my own sake like it's a conspiracy and it's scary how everyone believes it so it really becomes truth itself. I just want to teach and be in a classroom. I really feel that's one of my main purposes in life, i just love teaching. I take on all the admin, bitching and even the AP on board as part of the cost and just develop thick skin + really nice headphones. In my years in the "working" industry I have seen a lot of instances and examples that led me to be the cautious neutral - just doing my job person. As I observed in my journey, whatever industry of interest it would be there always competition and usually officemates are hiding cutthroats unless you really get to know them or they became your real friends. Hell they can be the "friends" and still be traitors at the end. With that, I came up with the theory that this could be innert instincts of being in a competitive enviroment and as workers for the same interest, everybody in your industry is a potential competitor. (I was just theorizing as to why such behavoirs come about so its just me ) Anyway, that is why I resort to other people out of that interest (no conflict of interest) or real trusted friends for such matters just to be on the safe side. Always cover your ass - that's my work ethic. As for the explanation, you don't owe him an explanation and/or you don't really need to be honest. You can just say that I have seen better opportunities or have more convenient options thats why I am leaving. Also if you tell him that you have beef with other workmates it would have an impact to your credibility, professionalism and the way he (boss) sees you - which can be a negative thing. This is also why in interviews I dont talk shit about my previous company or collegues - It shows weakness. Also telling him might discourage his recommendation to your new school (just thinking ahead - Thanks SC2 LOL). But if you really want to tell him about the bitch people in your school, by all means tell him but I suggest after you landed a new job or your in a good position already (again just to be safe). Being the neutral kind has its advantages, it provides you with that gap that makes them respect you and you are less vulnerable to tirades and critism. The cons is that if they are looking for someone to promote they would rather pick someone near them if ability and skill wise both candidates are equal but in teaching this is not a bit factor. That was really insightful. It reminds to take care of my actual friends better, I only have a couple real friends who I see outside of school. And yeh, I really want to separate talking shit and doing my job. I really like your advice man. Seems like I got a lot to learn!
Glad I helped you
These battle scars should pay for themselves, save time for other people. Trust me I learned the hard way.
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Think about what traits they value, who you can get along with best, and emphasize those in yourself.
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I would be careful about referring to your bosses as 'bitch' etc on TL. One of my students managed to figure out my TL identity once, so theoretically if I had said something about my home school I didn't want people to know, I would have no way to prevent it from reaching the ears of my bosses.
It seems completely improbably until suddenly it happens.
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On August 07 2013 02:45 micronesia wrote:
I would be careful about referring to your bosses as 'bitch' etc on TL. One of my students managed to figure out my TL identity once, so theoretically if I had said something about my home school I didn't want people to know, I would have no way to prevent it from reaching the ears of my bosses.
It seems completely improbably until suddenly it happens.
This is the best advice in this thread. Anonymity is evaporating.
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