On July 21 2013 13:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: I do, every time I hear 'quick' being used as an adverb my brain twitches sideways in my skull, it just sounds silly.
Why do you critique the community so heavily, yet have no problem being lazy with your own writing? Surely you know that neither of those two commas are correct, as you're separating three independent clauses. You need semi-colons or periods. And those mistakes are obviously not the only ones; heck, even in the first line of your original post, you write "common place" instead of "commonplace" or "common-place". Your first paragraph is just one big run-on sentence too. We all make mistakes or are lazy sometimes, right?
It just seems a little hypocritical. Surely you should be consistent with your scrutiny, and even apply it to yourself?
Just don't use any dangling participles!
Well, half of the things talked about in the grammar Nazi video including the things you talked about aren't grammatical errors, they are stylistic 'errors', a big difference. The production rules of English grammar cannot derive them being wrong. They simply make text unclear or 'hard to read' on a subjective level. A dangling participle most certainly is not a grammatical error, it's a stylistic one leading to ambiguities, but guess what, the English language is full of ambiguities anyway.
On July 21 2013 13:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: I do, every time I hear 'quick' being used as an adverb my brain twitches sideways in my skull, it just sounds silly.
Why do you critique the community so heavily, yet have no problem being lazy with your own writing? Surely you know that neither of those two commas are correct, as you're separating three independent clauses. You need semi-colons or periods. And those mistakes are obviously not the only ones; heck, even in the first line of your original post, you write "common place" instead of "commonplace" or "common-place". Your first paragraph is just one big run-on sentence too. We all make mistakes or are lazy sometimes, right?
It just seems a little hypocritical. Surely you should be consistent with your scrutiny, and even apply it to yourself?
but guess what, the English language is full of ambiguities anyway.
The irony is strong in this one. Stop being so hypercritical of people who have to fill time by speaking. It's their job. Deal with it, they aren't writing an essay but I'm sure they would be quite capable if they had to do so.
On July 21 2013 13:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: I do, every time I hear 'quick' being used as an adverb my brain twitches sideways in my skull, it just sounds silly.
Why do you critique the community so heavily, yet have no problem being lazy with your own writing? Surely you know that neither of those two commas are correct, as you're separating three independent clauses. You need semi-colons or periods. And those mistakes are obviously not the only ones; heck, even in the first line of your original post, you write "common place" instead of "commonplace" or "common-place". Your first paragraph is just one big run-on sentence too. We all make mistakes or are lazy sometimes, right?
It just seems a little hypocritical. Surely you should be consistent with your scrutiny, and even apply it to yourself?
Well, half of the things talked about in the grammar Nazi video including the things you talked about aren't grammatical errors, they are stylistic 'errors', a big difference. The production rules of English grammar cannot derive them being wrong. They simply make text unclear or 'hard to read' on a subjective level. A dangling participle most certainly is not a grammatical error, it's a stylistic one leading to ambiguities, but guess what, the English language is full of ambiguities anyway.
...What? Dangling participles are definitely grammatical errors:
"A dangling modifier is an ambiguous grammatical construct" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangling_modifier)
"The grammatical problem here..." (http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/WritingGuide/10dangpt.htm)
"They then end up with what’s known as a dangling participle, as in this grammatically incorrect statement: ..." (http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/dangling-participles)
And even if dangling participles weren't *grammatical* errors per se, using them and creating run-on sentences and lacking proper punctuation do not become justified. You learn these things in English class as a child. People often make mistakes when speaking or talking because they're more focused on the context and substance of their conversation, rather than the absolute correctness of their speech. That's life. Sometimes it makes you cringe, but be critical of yourself before being critical of others.
On July 21 2013 13:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: I do, every time I hear 'quick' being used as an adverb my brain twitches sideways in my skull, it just sounds silly.
Why do you critique the community so heavily, yet have no problem being lazy with your own writing? Surely you know that neither of those two commas are correct, as you're separating three independent clauses. You need semi-colons or periods. And those mistakes are obviously not the only ones; heck, even in the first line of your original post, you write "common place" instead of "commonplace" or "common-place". Your first paragraph is just one big run-on sentence too. We all make mistakes or are lazy sometimes, right?
It just seems a little hypocritical. Surely you should be consistent with your scrutiny, and even apply it to yourself?
Well, half of the things talked about in the grammar Nazi video including the things you talked about aren't grammatical errors, they are stylistic 'errors', a big difference. The production rules of English grammar cannot derive them being wrong. They simply make text unclear or 'hard to read' on a subjective level. A dangling participle most certainly is not a grammatical error, it's a stylistic one leading to ambiguities, but guess what, the English language is full of ambiguities anyway.
...What? Dangling participles are definitely grammatical errors:
"A dangling modifier is an ambiguous grammatical construct" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangling_modifier)
"The grammatical problem here..." (http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/WritingGuide/10dangpt.htm)
"They then end up with what’s known as a dangling participle, as in this grammatically incorrect statement: ..." (http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/dangling-participles)
And even if dangling participles weren't *grammatical* errors per se, using them and creating run-on sentences and lacking proper punctuation do not become justified. You learn these things in English class as a child. People often make mistakes when speaking or talking because they're more focused on the context and substance of their conversation, rather than the absolute correctness of their speech. That's life. Sometimes it makes you cringe, but be critical of yourself before being critical of others.
You don't know what the difference between a grammatical and a stylistic error is at all do you? Saying it's an ambiguous grammatical construct has nothing to do with whether or not the error itself is grammatical or stylistic.
On July 21 2013 13:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: I do, every time I hear 'quick' being used as an adverb my brain twitches sideways in my skull, it just sounds silly.
Why do you critique the community so heavily, yet have no problem being lazy with your own writing? Surely you know that neither of those two commas are correct, as you're separating three independent clauses. You need semi-colons or periods. And those mistakes are obviously not the only ones; heck, even in the first line of your original post, you write "common place" instead of "commonplace" or "common-place". Your first paragraph is just one big run-on sentence too. We all make mistakes or are lazy sometimes, right?
It just seems a little hypocritical. Surely you should be consistent with your scrutiny, and even apply it to yourself?
but guess what, the English language is full of ambiguities anyway.
The irony is strong in this one. Stop being so hypercritical of people who have to fill time by speaking. It's their job. Deal with it, they aren't writing an essay but I'm sure they would be quite capable if they had to do so.
Yes. Having all the time in the world to write a paragraph (and still fucking it up) on the internet and telling 45,000 people what's going on in a fast paced video game and killing downtime with your co-caster is another.
Does that mean that casters shouldn't receive criticism? No, but it doesn't mean people should whine and act like their experience is ruined (see: guy who said "my brain twitches in my skull") because of minor grammatical errors.
I don't consider it mentally healthy to obsess over minor errors that people make whether it's when you're at work and "UGH, Dennis ALWAYS screws that up," or when the person in front of you isn't driving fast enough, or I wrote this sentence poorly as fuck.
LOL there's so much butthurt in this thread, people frothing with rage over something so trivial. It's as if they're having violent flashbacks to high school when they got heavily marked down on their homework by their teachers for improper grammar. If this post upsets people I can't imagine how they function in daily life.
Artosis is also often found fondly saying 'octopi', octopus is not a masculine o-declension noun, it is a neuter consonant declension noun. The 'us' in octopus in fact is a long u, not a short u as in colossus. This difference was clearly pronounced in Latin, but not written in inscriptions. The correct Latinate plural is in fact 'octopodes', which just sounds silly.
Actually, it's not Latin at all, but Greek: ὀκτώ + πούς, ποδός masc. (> nom. pl. masc. πόδες).
This thread taught me that Gollum has a better mastery of English than any of us ever will. I'll just stick to hating semantics and not giving a shit about this insignificant stuff though =/
On July 21 2013 17:42 OmniEulogy wrote: This thread taught me that Gollum has a better mastery of English than any of us ever will. I'll just stick to hating semantics and not giving a shit about this insignificant stuff though =/
No dude, this is fucking important as hell. If we don't stop people from saying "A lot of Koreans are doing this" now, then E-SPORTS IS FUCKING DEAD. You hear me!? We, as American and British citizens have been butchering our own language for way too long and now that a wise Albanian has emerged from the shadows to teach us the way, we shun him?
Artosis is also often found fondly saying 'octopi', octopus is not a masculine o-declension noun, it is a neuter consonant declension noun. The 'us' in octopus in fact is a long u, not a short u as in colossus. This difference was clearly pronounced in Latin, but not written in inscriptions. The correct Latinate plural is in fact 'octopodes', which just sounds silly.
Actually, it's not Latin at all, but Greek: ὀκτώ + πούς, ποδός masc. (> nom. pl. masc. πόδες).
It's a Latin loan from Greek, the actual Greek word that was more commonly used for it was actually πολύπους.
Artosis is also often found fondly saying 'octopi', octopus is not a masculine o-declension noun, it is a neuter consonant declension noun. The 'us' in octopus in fact is a long u, not a short u as in colossus. This difference was clearly pronounced in Latin, but not written in inscriptions. The correct Latinate plural is in fact 'octopodes', which just sounds silly.
Actually, it's not Latin at all, but Greek: ὀκτώ + πούς, ποδός masc. (> nom. pl. masc. πόδες).
It's a Latin loan from Greek, the actual Greek word that was more commonly used for it was actually πολύπους.
Right, and therefore the only correct declension of the masculin noun πούς, ποδός is the Greek one.
Artosis is also often found fondly saying 'octopi', octopus is not a masculine o-declension noun, it is a neuter consonant declension noun. The 'us' in octopus in fact is a long u, not a short u as in colossus. This difference was clearly pronounced in Latin, but not written in inscriptions. The correct Latinate plural is in fact 'octopodes', which just sounds silly.
Actually, it's not Latin at all, but Greek: ὀκτώ + πούς, ποδός masc. (> nom. pl. masc. πόδες).
It's a Latin loan from Greek, the actual Greek word that was more commonly used for it was actually πολύπους.
Right, and therefore the only correct declension of the masculin noun πούς, ποδός is the Greek one.
It actually has its own consonant declension in Latin which of course slightly differs from the Greek consonant declension. Most notably the plural in English is pronounced with a long 'e' in octopodes opposed to a short one which it would've had if it came into English from Greek rather than Latin.
On July 21 2013 17:42 OmniEulogy wrote: This thread taught me that Gollum has a better mastery of English than any of us ever will. I'll just stick to hating semantics and not giving a shit about this insignificant stuff though =/
No dude, this is fucking important as hell. If we don't stop people from saying "A lot of Koreans are doing this" now, then E-SPORTS IS FUCKING DEAD. You hear me!? We, as American and British citizens have been butchering our own language for way too long and now that a wise Albanian has emerged from the shadows to teach us the way, we shun him?
If casters spoke in a grammatically correct fashion, they would be boring as all fuck and they would sound haughty.
It's a good thing that casters cast like human beings rather than writers of the classical era. As they say, rules are meant to be broken, and shouldn't dictate how people should actually speak. I think it's quite shallow to ignore the existence or the legitimacy of colloquialisms. OP's concerns for the most part don't matter IMO, except "huge number of zerglings" and "cast by Khaldor & Wolf".
It blows my mind that there's no mention of the fact that nearly all casters say things like "if he would have..."
Small correction: the correct plural of octopus is "octopuses", not "octopusses".
Also please don't associate making grammatical errors with "being pulled from the ghetto". It makes you sound like you've never been to a real ghetto before; their slang make Wolf and Khaldor seem like Oxford scholars in comparison.
I'm sorry but if you've ever done any kind of public speaking, especially in cases where you can't practice what you will be saying and have to respond to unplanned events, you are going to make some mistakes. Sure some are more common than others, but this thread really is a superiority blog.
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