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Phalanx's Daily #57: PvP, all or expo

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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
July 09 2013 10:28 GMT
#1
Hey guys, finally back with more normal battle reporting! :D Couldn't find a good time to try to make an attempt at casting for today!

Today's game is a PvP... in which a dilemma came to my attention. If both players in a PvP go for fast DTs and neither player gets any real damage from the DTs... to all-in, or to expand? Seemed to me like a fairly sticky situation, I guess in general with any PvP in which both players go for near identical builds, but which is the better answer? If you see one player expand, of course, you're safe to expand. However, if one player opts to build up and army instead, can expansions hold this off? Or perhaps the "correct" answer is to expand while building more army... (400 minerals isn't such a big deficit in army, which can be filled by the fact that you'll have a photon overcharge during their attack). I was going to just put my dilemma out there for others to answer, but I feel like I've come up with a satisfactory answer for myself o.O! but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyways; ON TO THE GAME!!!

Characters
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Johnson, the lovable 1-st scouting probe! Dream profession is Aiur Head Chef.

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Mike the stalker. Hardest working of them all, and single-handedly preventing scouting and pressure, while receiving the least credit.

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Emily, the mothership core. Has a secret love for education, but quickly gets out of hand and fires photons all over the place if pissed off.

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Snowden, the sneaky observer, watching out for the protoss race. He checks your computer history too.


replay : http://drop.sc/348228

The Game (in low quality today because I don't have as much time as usual to deal with the lag )
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The game is a PvP on the map Derelict Watchtower. I go along with my usual build, gasses at 15, cybercore, and a fast stalker+MSC to work towards DTs. My opponent, on the other hand, gets a bit later gas, but also makes some early stalkers.

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In the build that I use, I start my twilight council after my first stalker and Emily; My opponents build, to compare, got 3 stalkers first and then got his TC along with a forge. His fast forge really was what saved him in the near future against my DTs, but his TC probably could have gone down sooner...

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I shouldn't be one to judge, though.

His 3 fast stalkers came in for some early harassment at me, and he sadly got to snipe Emily. :'(
I was otherwise unscathed, but since i couldn't even kill 1 stalker in exchange he definitely came out on top of that little move.

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DAMNIT EMILY THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

My first DT failed at killing any probes, but he scouted the DT shrine! WELL DONE!!! In response, I of course got my robo facility AFAP... However, sometimes the robo doesn't finish in time to stop the DTs. My solution? Wall off my ramp using 2 DTs of my own <3. It's super effective!

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A pretty damn good nifty idea if I may say so myself.

From this point on is where i decided that I need to think my games through better. My opponnent continued to only make army, teching some upgrades as well for his units. Meanwhile I worked towards securing a economic advantage.

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The enemy's all-in hits pretty quickly, having both an army supply and armor advantage. First off, the positioning of mine in the engagement was terrible. I made a little enclosement with my forge (i have no idea why) and because of that my archon and immortal were sitting out in the front of the army like idiots. I didn't realize this was the biggest reason that I lost, but now I think that it most definitely was. The zealots chewed threw my damage dealing units, and sadly I had no real means of defense after that attack.

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Positioning, something i still really need to work on.


Sorry that today's post seemed rushed, but... I was rushed . I should be back into playing much more SC2 in the coming days, and I'll start to be workin' hard again to get into MASTERS AT LAST OH GOD I WANNA GET INTO MASTERS. Thanks for reading, have a great day! :D

P.S.
My current clan has some sort of sponsorship?? THEN I MUST REDIRECT YOU!!! TO OUR WEB PAGE!!!
http://nacgaming.net/

P.P.S.
Although no longer part of their community, Phalanx continues to support DarkOnyx. They have barely any activity, but with some more love maybe they might actually get their asses working . They're a great bunch of guys, and really the reason why I could get up to the league I am now.
https://www.facebook.com/DarkOnyxFTW

P.P.P.S.
The name's Bond... James Bo- why is a corgi here?

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Caissa
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States48 Posts
July 09 2013 18:44 GMT
#2
loved the character names
Don't underestimate the value of Doing Nothing, of just going along, listening to all the things you can't hear, and not bothering.
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