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So I'm in some kind of MMR twilight zone. I'm in Silver 4, having recently started this game in the past weeks, and yet I've already hit the point where I lose a good bit more points per loss than I gain per win. Averaging from 16-18 points per win and 21 per loss (almost always exactly 21!!?).
Now I attributed that to having been in my division for 100 games, yet the games in which I gain most points confuse me. If I'm playing in a relatively full Silver 3-4 game on both sides, I almost always get +15, at most +16. If I'm playing with an average Bronze 1 team (these ratings all assume that the people in question have at least 80 games played this season) vs a Silver 4 team, I'm almost certainly getting +16 for a win and -21 for a loss. The games that I get the most points from, on the order of +23 to +25, is when I win against a shit team that is in their very first placement match. These people are actually utter shit compared to my normal games. Invariably I double the farm of their adc, on the order of 14k vs 7k, and they just... suck horribly. And every time my team rolls their lanes as well to an incredible extent. Yet I get 50% more points for defeating them.
Now that alone isn't too surprising because there are ways I could see this happening, but then there's a weirder element to this. Sometimes I'll be queueing with friends who have a much higher rating, and in the games we play, 100% of the time I will lose more points per loss and gain fewer points per win, and this is even when they have as many games played in the season as I do, so you'd expect their MMR to have settled. This is even the case if they also have 100+ wins veteran in their division.
So what's up with this?
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It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.
The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.
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On June 19 2013 09:16 loginn wrote:
It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.
The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.
Well... in the games last night where I got less points per win and more per loss than my friend, they were also 30 LP ahead of me in their higher division (Silver 2 vs Silver 4). Not to mention they got first pick and I got last pick, so presumably higher MMR as well.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Isn't it like :
If the system thinks You doesn't really belong to the certain league it grants You just a little points for a win and make You lose a shitload of points when You lose? I've seen this being discussed several times on different places and it seems to be right.
Although I'm not playing LoL anymore.
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On June 19 2013 09:16 loginn wrote:
It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.
The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.
No, you're completely wrong, he's in silver 4 and he can definitely be demoted to silver 5. Only when you get close to bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond 1 does that happen. His issue is that his hidden MMR is lower than his league points show--the system thinks he's higher than he should be based on his win/loss--and it's adjusting his gains accordingly.
If you're playing against people who are in much higher divisions then all that says is their MMR is within the range of your queue bracket when they duo with really low players.
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Well I appear to be out of MMR hell now. Duo queued with higher rated people and tryharded every game, now I get shitload of points ~_~. I hope it stays this way lol.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/25135395#history
Had a terrible Garen game cuz idk how to Garen lol, but otherwise I think it may have pulled me out of MMR hell. (Doesn't even show the latest game).
I still get less points than they do though lol!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 19 2013 19:51 EtherealDeath wrote:Well I appear to be out of MMR hell now. Duo queued with higher rated people and tryharded every game, now I get shitload of points ~_~. I hope it stays this way lol. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/25135395#historyHad a terrible Garen game cuz idk how to Garen lol, but otherwise I think it may have pulled me out of MMR hell. (Doesn't even show the latest game). I still get less points than they do though lol!
I forgot how high your creep kills gets in LoL o.0
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On June 19 2013 18:51 krndandaman wrote:
It makes no sense. For me, I've been winning/losing no more than +/-5 points per game regardless of opponents. I'm silver 1 and I gain the same points for winning a game as all silver 1s and 2s against all gold 5s and all silver 1s against silver 2s and 3s. I duo queue with my friend who is in the same friggin league, division, and tier and similar points yet he gains a lot more and loses just a little more points. I really don't get it.
If you are losing and gaining the same amount of points it is becuase you are in the league that matches your MMR. IF you then start raising your MMR by winning alot but are unlucky with the timing of your losses so you dont go up in league tier, you will start gain ALOT more that you lose.
I started to win alot by playing only my best role but was unlucky in my promotional series, and thought that it was really annoying but quickly I started gaining +30 points and losing only 5 or less. This was becuase I my MMR was around high plat low diamond and I was in mid gold (I was always getting diamond opponents and teammates). Becuase of the +30 points after a short while I came from gold 3 and is now in plat 1. Over the course of maybe 30 games.
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OMG POINTS!!!!!! They are crucial to having a decent game experience!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 20 2013 00:50 thoraxe wrote:
OMG POINTS!!!!!! They are crucial to having a decent game experience!
When the points are what determine whether you advance from your league or not they are quite important.
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Isn't this the opposite of any standard system?
Normal:
High elo vs low elo
High: gain little, lose a lot
Low: gain a lot, lose a little
LoL
High: Gain a lot, lose little
Low: Gain a little, lose a lot
Makes no sense.
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System is flawed, MMR is fake, only real skill is IP count!!!
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MMR is not equal to league.
Silver players can have better MMR than gold players.
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EPT
