• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:36
CET 05:36
KST 13:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30
Tourneys
SC2 iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11823 users

LoL MMR confuses me

Blogs > EtherealDeath
Post a Reply
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 18 2013 23:44 GMT
#1
So I'm in some kind of MMR twilight zone. I'm in Silver 4, having recently started this game in the past weeks, and yet I've already hit the point where I lose a good bit more points per loss than I gain per win. Averaging from 16-18 points per win and 21 per loss (almost always exactly 21!!?).

Now I attributed that to having been in my division for 100 games, yet the games in which I gain most points confuse me. If I'm playing in a relatively full Silver 3-4 game on both sides, I almost always get +15, at most +16. If I'm playing with an average Bronze 1 team (these ratings all assume that the people in question have at least 80 games played this season) vs a Silver 4 team, I'm almost certainly getting +16 for a win and -21 for a loss. The games that I get the most points from, on the order of +23 to +25, is when I win against a shit team that is in their very first placement match. These people are actually utter shit compared to my normal games. Invariably I double the farm of their adc, on the order of 14k vs 7k, and they just... suck horribly. And every time my team rolls their lanes as well to an incredible extent. Yet I get 50% more points for defeating them.

Now that alone isn't too surprising because there are ways I could see this happening, but then there's a weirder element to this. Sometimes I'll be queueing with friends who have a much higher rating, and in the games we play, 100% of the time I will lose more points per loss and gain fewer points per win, and this is even when they have as many games played in the season as I do, so you'd expect their MMR to have settled. This is even the case if they also have 100+ wins veteran in their division.

So what's up with this?

loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
June 19 2013 00:16 GMT
#2
It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.

The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 19 2013 00:46 GMT
#3
On June 19 2013 09:16 loginn wrote:
It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.

The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.

Well... in the games last night where I got less points per win and more per loss than my friend, they were also 30 LP ahead of me in their higher division (Silver 2 vs Silver 4). Not to mention they got first pick and I got last pick, so presumably higher MMR as well.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 19 2013 09:51 GMT
#4
--- Nuked ---
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
June 19 2013 10:28 GMT
#5
Isn't it like :
If the system thinks You doesn't really belong to the certain league it grants You just a little points for a win and make You lose a shitload of points when You lose? I've seen this being discussed several times on different places and it seems to be right.

Although I'm not playing LoL anymore.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 19 2013 10:44 GMT
#6
On June 19 2013 09:16 loginn wrote:
It's because the MMR in LoL doesn't allow you to get down a league when you go up one, so they make it that the closer you are to the 100 points required to go up a division, the less points you win. Then when you get up a division, you get more points again.

The thing is points aren't your MMR, it's just points to let you know how close you are to the next division/league.

No, you're completely wrong, he's in silver 4 and he can definitely be demoted to silver 5. Only when you get close to bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond 1 does that happen. His issue is that his hidden MMR is lower than his league points show--the system thinks he's higher than he should be based on his win/loss--and it's adjusting his gains accordingly.

If you're playing against people who are in much higher divisions then all that says is their MMR is within the range of your queue bracket when they duo with really low players.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 10:52:36
June 19 2013 10:51 GMT
#7
Well I appear to be out of MMR hell now. Duo queued with higher rated people and tryharded every game, now I get shitload of points ~_~. I hope it stays this way lol.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/25135395#history

Had a terrible Garen game cuz idk how to Garen lol, but otherwise I think it may have pulled me out of MMR hell. (Doesn't even show the latest game).

I still get less points than they do though lol!
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 11:12 GMT
#8
On June 19 2013 19:51 EtherealDeath wrote:
Well I appear to be out of MMR hell now. Duo queued with higher rated people and tryharded every game, now I get shitload of points ~_~. I hope it stays this way lol.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/25135395#history

Had a terrible Garen game cuz idk how to Garen lol, but otherwise I think it may have pulled me out of MMR hell. (Doesn't even show the latest game).

I still get less points than they do though lol!


I forgot how high your creep kills gets in LoL o.0
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
June 19 2013 13:50 GMT
#9
On June 19 2013 18:51 krndandaman wrote:
It makes no sense. For me, I've been winning/losing no more than +/-5 points per game regardless of opponents. I'm silver 1 and I gain the same points for winning a game as all silver 1s and 2s against all gold 5s and all silver 1s against silver 2s and 3s. I duo queue with my friend who is in the same friggin league, division, and tier and similar points yet he gains a lot more and loses just a little more points. I really don't get it.


If you are losing and gaining the same amount of points it is becuase you are in the league that matches your MMR. IF you then start raising your MMR by winning alot but are unlucky with the timing of your losses so you dont go up in league tier, you will start gain ALOT more that you lose.

I started to win alot by playing only my best role but was unlucky in my promotional series, and thought that it was really annoying but quickly I started gaining +30 points and losing only 5 or less. This was becuase I my MMR was around high plat low diamond and I was in mid gold (I was always getting diamond opponents and teammates). Becuase of the +30 points after a short while I came from gold 3 and is now in plat 1. Over the course of maybe 30 games.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
June 19 2013 15:50 GMT
#10
OMG POINTS!!!!!! They are crucial to having a decent game experience!
Obama singing "Kick Ass" Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=player_embedde
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 16:03 GMT
#11
On June 20 2013 00:50 thoraxe wrote:
OMG POINTS!!!!!! They are crucial to having a decent game experience!

When the points are what determine whether you advance from your league or not they are quite important.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Marimokkori
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States306 Posts
June 19 2013 23:08 GMT
#12
Isn't this the opposite of any standard system?

Normal:
High elo vs low elo
High: gain little, lose a lot
Low: gain a lot, lose a little

LoL
High: Gain a lot, lose little
Low: Gain a little, lose a lot

Makes no sense.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 20 2013 04:05 GMT
#13
--- Nuked ---
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 21 2013 11:19 GMT
#14
System is flawed, MMR is fake, only real skill is IP count!!!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 21 2013 11:29 GMT
#15
MMR is not equal to league.


Silver players can have better MMR than gold players.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
ISSL: Premier - Final Day
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 274
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2016
Dewaltoss 75
Bale 20
Icarus 6
Force[name] 5
LuMiX 1
Counter-Strike
taco 365
xp33
Other Games
summit1g10208
Coldzera 807
JimRising 647
C9.Mang0337
WinterStarcraft298
XaKoH 214
Maynarde109
Mew2King106
NeuroSwarm80
ViBE1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick781
BasetradeTV153
Counter-Strike
PGL51
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 35
• practicex 22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush843
• Lourlo598
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 24m
WardiTV Invitational
7h 24m
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
OSC
18h 24m
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
20h 24m
INu's Battles
1d 7h
ByuN vs Classic
3D!Clan Event
1d 11h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Ultimate Battle
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
IPSL
4 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.