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I've been wanting to write this for a while. TeamLiquid has a few [TV] Threads and some of them explode (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead) while others have a small dedicated group of watchers and posters (Community, Mad Men.) With the rise of "prestige" TV, dozens of channels and great selection, I think there's not enough hours in a year to see all the amazing stuff put out there. But I'm going to put up a ranking of my favorite shows that are still currently being aired.
Feel free to disagree. I should say that I don't watch some shows, so that might be why they aren't on the list.
#8. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbnail_570x321/2013/01/fx_americans_keyart_p_2012.jpg) FX is on a serious roll. The Americans is a rookie offering, telling the story of two KGB agents living in the United States during the nuclear heights of the Cold War. Elizabeth and Philip Jennings try to pass themselves off as a normal, married, American couple. On occasion, they put on a wig, gather some intelligence and do a little wet work. The primary source of tension in the show comes from the burgeoning romantic relationship between Elizabeth and Philip, Philips growing affection for America - or at least the American way of life, and Noah Emmerich, who plays their FBI agent neighbor: Stan Beeman. Keri Russell is a firecracker as Elizabeth, good job Felicity and I like the much lesser known Matthew Rhys as Phillip. The first season, which is already over, is taut and mean - relationships and missions move at a pace that is, certainly, fast. The pace, elements of espionage and acting all lend itself to a very understandable Homeland comparison. I would say that Season 1 of The Americans is worse than the 1st season of Homeland, but substantially better than the 2nd. But the "burning" of plot does lead to questions, can this show maintain the speed without becoming ridiculous? Can it give us satisfying conclusions without just shocking us? And, ultimately, like Homeland, I wonder if the creator of the show thinks that the love story, the romance is the engine of the show - I think he does but I don't think it's great for the show. Still, very excited for season 2.
#7. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/justified-poster-600x288.jpg) Yeah, two FX shows in a row. Justified is not going to ever hit number 1 on anyone's list. At least, I don't think it ever should. No, it doesn't really want to be that show, I think. And for that, I applaud it. There's something very charming about a show that knows exactly what it is and what it wants to do. In this case, This show wants Timothy Olyphant walking around with a hat and a decent drawl. It wants Walter Goggins putting up an Emmy-Nominating worthy performance every season. And it wants it's viewers to know its world and all of the wonderfully sassy, interesting and gun-toting(-y?) characters that live in it. Justified is the story of Raylan Givens - basically the fastest gun in the West. Except he's in Kentucky. He's hot of temper, sharp of tongue and quick of draw (this mellows out through the seasons.) Forced to move back to his home state of Kentucky, Raylan is drawn into the life of his criminal father, his old class mate turned criminal mastermind: Boyd Crowder and a few lovely Southern Belles who can't resist his goatee and tight jeans. This show is very pleasurable to watch, there's not too many thematic elements - you don't have to dig too deep or try to see what poster is on the wall to catch the drift. This is a tightly plotted show, some episodes are more or less stand-alone. I can't recommend it enough, though the first season is definitely the weakest - season 2 is something amazing due to the performance by Olyphant, Margo Martindale and Walter Goggins.
#6. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51v7W%2BDfmXL._SX500_.jpg) AUGH YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THIS IS ONLY 6 THIS IS THE BEST SHOW EVER AND ITS AMAZING YOU ARE A STUPID CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next to leaving off The Walking Dead, this will earn me the most scorn. I could spend ounce of digital ink in my body telling you why this show is worse than the 4 coming shows. But I won't because I don't want to. I'll say what I like about the show. It is close to perfectly cast - it's a massive MASSIVE cast but they've done a really good job. From Mark Addy as King Robert Baratheon to Rose Leslie as Ygritte, their casting and make up department are to be most commended. Even the smaller roles are done so well - Davos Seaworth, Roose Bolton, Walder Frey. My only complaint is Kit Harrington as John Snow, man, he is not a great actor, clearly got bad marks at the Keanu Reeve's school of acting with your face in that Keanu Reeve's way. But he's not the worst. Yes, so the acting is superb. In the actual thread, I've fellated Charles Dance innumerable times. Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams are so good for such young actresses and every single Lannister child is perfect. Lena Headey plays Cersei Lannister with this hateful grace and this horrible evil smirk. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau has made the most hateable man in Westeros into a genuinely sympathetic character and Peter Dinklage is obviously good. The problems. Ah, they are many. I think Benioff and Weiss have done a beautiful job adapting the books(I have read them all.) Blackwater made me rethink what TV could do - it was almost Michael Bay-ish - this is a compliment. Even though I knew what was coming at The Sept of Baelor, the staging and filming was riveting and it honestly made me sad. But I would say that the problems of the book are the problems of the show magnified. The plot is so diffuse and so meandering, it's occasionally masturbatory (like this blog post, the reader thinks to himself.) The characters develop, don't get me wrong, but they don't all develop - and how could they? They only have 50 freaking minutes of television. Frankly, I can not express how little I care about Bran's spirit guide (yes I know his name,) or how much the torture-porn of Theon Greyjoy is utterly meaningless (yes I've read the books,) or that Roose Bolton is concerned that some old guy called the Blackfish got away (yes I know he gets away again.) Why don't I care? Because the show doesn't care. It has given these characters a total of maybe 20 minutes of screen time. It's a logistical impossibility to do it the way readers want to do it (and I suspect the way that Benioff and Weiss want to do it.) Look, ultimately, Game of Thrones is a slave to George Martin's books. It is a faithful slave that has performed its job well. But this show needs its own Daenerys Targaryen, Breaker of Chains, someone who realizes that an army of slaves is no match for an army of the free. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that they need to break from the storyline. Something radical has to happen here - Game of Thrones is a child of the summer, it has feasted on the ripe harvest of 2 jaw dropping moments, some brilliant performances and a gigantic budget. It is an unmitigated success with gigantic unprecedented viewership. But the Starks are always right - even if they're seemingly all dead - Winter is Coming in the form of some very lame source material.
#5. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-N4KmBIuDoCw/T4RtZmpRDTI/AAAAAAAAAAU/IBrPSmeyr5M/s640/Mad+Men+logo.jpg) Could be higher, could be lower. This season has been a bit of a failure in my opinion. Unquestionably the standard bearer for the "Golden Age" of television, Mad Men is the exploration into the life of Don Draper and his career as an advertising man in New York during the 1960's. The show explores themes of change, manhood, love, family and identity. But more than anything, I think this is a show about satisfaction. As in, I can't get no. Responsible for some of the best episodes of TV in the last 10 years, Mad Men is one of two shows on this list that I would consider "can't miss" television. There's just nothing else like it. I should warn those who haven't seen it, that this show might be the polar opposite of Justified. It can be quite slow, its movement very deliberate - to the point that I sometimes have to rewind to see if I missed the point. Also, of all the shows except maybe one, it has the single bleakest view on happiness I have ever experienced. There's not much else to say about it, the performances and writing remain the best on TV but season 6 has just done some things very poorly. I think the shows coverage of race can be described as miserable - which is fine, but when it tries, it can be quite annoying.
#4. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://images.tvrage.com/shows/31/30124.jpg) Shut up. No seriously, shut up. Yes this is higher than Game of Thrones, I said shut up! In the way that David Chase is clearly the speaker of The Sopranos and that Matthew Weiner is clearly the speaker of Mad Men - Lena Dunham is clearly the speaker in Girls. To possess a voice is a rare thing and to possess a voice worth listening to is even rarer. Girls explores the lives of four young women in New York. It is not really what you think it is - I would say that it is about as close to Mad Men as you can get. If Weiner and Dunham traded life experiences, they would probably switch roles. You see, Girls is a thirty minute comedy on HBO that addresses some of the most interesting issues in American Modernity for 20-somethings. Our desire to be accepted but to also be recognized as authentic. To what and to whom we tie our self-worth. Being alone and isolated in a thickly populated environment like New York. Sex. Life is hard when you're twenty something and Girls knows it. The funny thing is that it would likely resonate with many readers of this site who will never give it a chance because it looks the way it does and has the title that it has. It is not perfect, however, there are some flaws in the first season - it felt like it had a bit of an identity crisis midway through. The mono-racial component (white, I know shocking,) is another thing. But this is the only show on this list that I think people will instantly reject out of bias - thus I don't want to say too much more about its problems.
#3. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://theonebehindthewings.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/key_art_parks_and_recreation.jpg) The best thing on network television. Hands down. No other comedy manages to keep such a delightful tone and yet get so many laughs - not Archer, not Community, not New Girl, not Modern Family and not even #2 on this list. There isn't a mean bone in Parks and Recreation and that is expressed through the wonderful Leslie Knope. When every other show on this list takes things to a grimy, dark, unpleasant place, Parks and Recreation knows that that only happens when we don't have waffles and friends. Sure, Pawnee, Indiana is one of the fattest cities in the nation. Sure, the characters in the show work in a menial civic capacity - but the genuine fondness that this show treats all of its characters is something to behold. I don't think many people watch this show, even on TL where the taste seems to lean towards Community, but I have no doubt you will love it................................as long as you start on season 2. Yes, season 1 of this show was a massive disaster - like a dissonant version of the show you see now. But from about episode 15 of Season 2, the show goes on a hitting streak that is amazing - not a single dud among them. The shining gem of Parks and Recreation is, of course, Ron Swanson. Behold his Pyramid of Greatness! It is a massive embarrassment that Nick Offerman has not even been nominated for an Emmy.
#2. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Louie.png) Actually, not my cup of tea. If Girls was overranked due to my fondness, Louie might be underranked, there is a serious argument that this is the best show on television by a mile. And while it doesn't suit my sensibilities perfectly, I'd like to think that I know genius when I see it. Louie is genius. Sometimes the acting is imperfect, the stories fall flat but when this show hits, the poignancy and potency is unlike any other show I've ever seen. It can actually hurt you. Oh, this is a comedy. This is the show I was talking about when I said "bleakest," in the Mad Men section. Life is brutal and when you approach it with the hangdog irony and humor of Louis CK, it only gets more brutal. It's like laughing at reality while reality punches you with its meaty hamfists, only to make reality mad and punch you harder. This makes you laugh harder and the cycle repeats. Every season has been excellent. I think there is an evolution there, though if he stayed exactly as season 1 Louis CK, I would hardly have cared. But "The Late Show" trilogy of season three is amazing in a truly agonizing way. I suggest you watch this in small doses, perhaps with a bottle of red wine and a hand gun when you decide that it might be better to just let it end tonight.
#1. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://theologygaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/breaking-bad-logo.png) Could there be any other? Even though I said Louie might be the best show on TV on the basis of brilliance, nothing beats Breaking Bad in its utter perfection. Season one of this show was not perfect, nor was season two, though I have rewatched them with great fondness. But somewhere in the middle of season 2 or start of season 3, this show became must watch television. Breaking Bad explores the life of Walter White, an unassuming high school chemistry teacher who develops lung cancer. As a final parting gift, he decides to "cook" methamphetamines to provide for his wife and children. What follows is chilling. It is emotionally devastating. You can't take your eyes off the audacity of this show - to give you a hero so horrible, so vicious and evil, that you are forced to examine yourself for having ever cheered for him. "YES! Walter killed Crazy 8 by strangling him!" "YES! Walter melted his body in acid!" YES! Walter watched a man get beat to death!" "YES! Walter watched a woman die on her own vomit!" "YES! Walter ran over two drug dealers and shot them!" "YES! Walter orchestrated the death of a harmless scientist!" "YES! Walter blew up a old folks home!" "YES! Walter melted the body of a young boy in a barrel of acid!" At some point, you have to stop cheering. You have to realize that what Vince Gilligan has done. He has given you a hero that is the most detestable person on TV. NO IT'S NOT SKYLAR GODDAMMIT. It's truly a magnificent show, and its examination of a descent into evil is amazing. I will be so sorry to see it conclude. Bryan Cranston wins all the Emmys.
   
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Well-written post. I don't watch many shows currently so it was interesting to hear your summary of what's going on.
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Very fair rankings.
Haven't seen The Americans and I might slip Justified down for another comedy like The League or maybe Sherlock, but all those are all good contenders and I'm on board with the top 5 rankings.
And yeah, Walter is an awful, horrible person who deserves to die, and a great character.
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Man I don't watch TV at all and I used my free month of netflix by watching literally nothing, however Breaking Bad is the one on-going serie I actually really want to and need to check out.
Only series I've managed to watch through in the past are one season wonders Firefly, Band of Brothers and The Pacific. There's no way in hell I'd ever be able to fight through more than one or two seasons of something like Lost for example, I've tried.
Have you seen the Battlestar Galactica 2004-2009 version, thoughts?
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technically M.A.S.H is still on TV if you've never seen it you should give it a try
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This is a pretty good list. I would fit Orphan Black somewhere between 6-8 though, even there has only been one season I'm in love with that show. Boardwalk Empire and Doctor Who would also be on my list, and I'd get rid of Louie and Justified, even though I really enjoy Justified.
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Wish you would of put viewing figures down for each shows though? Any possibility of adding those in?
I haven't heard of a few of those shows, but we normally get them 2-3 months after America finishes series 1 of the said show.
I lol'd at Girls being in there though ^_^
Im guessing your not into the show, but did shows like Arrow not enter your mind to being in top 8? Or isn't that mainstream enough? I think that is extremely well written, but i guess Fox is now milking it a bit but i do think its great fun
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I used to watch TVs in my early teenager years, but it becomes less and less nowadays. I think after HIMYM ends, I would stop watching TV shows all together and focusing on other things in life, since it's the last show in the previous era which I follow. It's quite sad to see all of my favorite show coming to an end, one by one, not b4 a decreasing in quality in their last few seasons. House, Lost, Desperate Housewives,Prison Break, HIMYM, Scrubs ( ok maybe Scrubs belong to a further era of TV show, but it was still on TV). God I missed House.MD so much QQ. Always want to catch on with Breaking Bad, but havent had the chance. ( I couldnt find the first season online :| )
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Pretty good list and great blog. I'd like to see your top x shows of all time if you ever get a chance.
Also, <3 Justified. You're right that it's not the best show out there, but it's probably like 5th on my list. Personal preference wise, I'd probably rank it above Game of Thrones even :p. Game of Thrones is a great show based off an even greater book, but as someone who read the books first it can never compare imo.
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Well... a.) Do not watch, possess tele b.) Not US citizen, probably other stuff on tv even if I would watch. c.) saw 8,6 and 1. Would switch 8 and 1, but I guess it is too early to tell with just one season of the americans, but breaking bad kind off became very boring in season four for me, tried to force myself to keep on watching, but I get sooo tired from it.
Yo, come to think of it, does suits still run?
On June 10 2013 22:19 TheMango wrote: Pretty good list and great blog. I'd like to see your top x shows of all time if you ever get a chance. [...]
I second this motion, more to discuss for the international community that TL is aswell.
Edit: I know it is still being produced and they are inbetween seasons, but my favourite show on tele atm: Lost Girl ... But my favourite show of all times is buffy, so :D
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No Sons of Anarchy. No Boardwalk Empire. And you have Breaking Bad, Girls, and Mad Men. Yeah, that's not a list I accept.
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On June 11 2013 00:26 SamsungStar wrote: No Sons of Anarchy. No Boardwalk Empire. And you have Breaking Bad, Girls, and Mad Men. Yeah, that's not a list I accept. Your disagreement only strengthens his choices.
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No Shameless? :-D Tho i guess this last season was downhillish
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On June 11 2013 01:03 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:26 SamsungStar wrote: No Sons of Anarchy. No Boardwalk Empire. And you have Breaking Bad, Girls, and Mad Men. Yeah, that's not a list I accept. Your disagreement only strengthens his choices. 
Hah! A matter of opinion!
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I agree with a lot of your ranking. Louie, BB and Mad Men are my favorite shows at the moment.
Parks and Recreation bores me. I cannot get into Girls. Got is overrated. Haven't seen #7 and #8. Might give them a try.
Overall good job.
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Your analysis of GoT is more in line with my fears for the future of the show than my impression of it thus far. Most of my complaints about it so far have been issues of adaptation rather than material. The biggest wall-bangers I can think of off the top of my head: -The first season's oft-debated "sexposition" issues, culminating in that unforgivable Littlefinger-ing monologue. -Some flubbed emotional high-points (the Greatjon's fingers getting bitten off comes to mind). -Enough battle scenes have been off-screened that it's started to feel really awkward. I know, budget, but still. -In this last episode, Dany's white messiah crowd surfing scene was pretty uncomfortable.
That said, you're right that there are so many disparate plotlines going on that people are starting to get lost and forgotten...I only care about Bran because of the books, and like you, I have yet to be made to give a crap about the Blackfish at all. And like you say, the first two and a half books are the low-hanging fruit, the part of the story that's actually tight and coherent enough to hang together. From here on out, the mission creep starts in earnest, and the sprawl of unnecessary character introduction just gets worse and worse.
I really, really hope David and Dan have the balls to do some serious merciless fat-trimming from here on out, or the show is gonna start sucking real soon now. Otherwise, I'm gonna come back to this thread in a year and edit this post to just read "you called it" with a trollface at the bottom.
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Will have to put #2 on the top of my shows to watch due to your recommendation now.
I agree with your thoughts on the shows I have seen (#1, 3, 5, 6) though. GoT I actually just ended season 2 and will start S3 soon. Parks and Rec is a show I have started on Netflix and watch slowly but I do love the humor already. I wanted to start the Americans and I DVR'd the first like 3 episodes but accidentally deleted them and never got into it.
Only question I have is what about Curb Your Enthusiasm? Didn't crack the list or just never watched it?
As for the "golden age" of TV, some people seem to think Mad Men was also the last of the age( which started with the Sopranos) so interested to hear your thoughts.
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I've only seen Breaking Bad out of these and I gotta agree, it's fantastic. Can't wait to get an Xbox One so I can watch more TV!
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On June 10 2013 16:02 Jibba wrote: Very fair rankings.
Haven't seen The Americans and I might slip Justified down for another comedy like The League or maybe Sherlock, but all those are all good contenders and I'm on board with the top 5 rankings.
And yeah, Walter is an awful, horrible person who deserves to die, and a great character.
Sherlock is excellent and I think it's better than the Americans but I don't really consider it a TV show. Is that fair? I guess maybe not but it's more like a movie in parts.
On June 10 2013 16:57 Vaelone wrote: Man I don't watch TV at all and I used my free month of netflix by watching literally nothing, however Breaking Bad is the one on-going serie I actually really want to and need to check out.
Only series I've managed to watch through in the past are one season wonders Firefly, Band of Brothers and The Pacific. There's no way in hell I'd ever be able to fight through more than one or two seasons of something like Lost for example, I've tried.
Have you seen the Battlestar Galactica 2004-2009 version, thoughts?
I'm afraid I've only seen parts of it. It's not a particular favorite.
On June 10 2013 17:38 OmniEulogy wrote:technically M.A.S.H is still on TV  if you've never seen it you should give it a try 
She..SHE KILLED IT! Oh GOD! I didn't mean for her to kill it!
M.A.S.H was sweet.
On June 10 2013 19:02 GwSC wrote: This is a pretty good list. I would fit Orphan Black somewhere between 6-8 though, even there has only been one season I'm in love with that show. Boardwalk Empire and Doctor Who would also be on my list, and I'd get rid of Louie and Justified, even though I really enjoy Justified.
Oh my God, Orphan Black is shockingly good. I haven't finished the season but really - it is surprisingly excellent. I don't watch Doctor Who because it's too loaded with history to really step in, it's intimidating.
Boardwalk Empire just doesn't cut it. It's a decent show masquerading around like a great show. I'd say it's something like the 20-15th best show on TV. I watching because the production is so slick and some of the actors are very charismatic but I don't think it belongs on the list.
On June 10 2013 19:06 Pandemona wrote: Wish you would of put viewing figures down for each shows though? Any possibility of adding those in?
I haven't heard of a few of those shows, but we normally get them 2-3 months after America finishes series 1 of the said show.
I lol'd at Girls being in there though ^_^
Im guessing your not into the show, but did shows like Arrow not enter your mind to being in top 8? Or isn't that mainstream enough? I think that is extremely well written, but i guess Fox is now milking it a bit but i do think its great fun
Arrow is not bad - high praise for a CW show - but I think the best show on CW is The Vampire Diaries.
Girls is bomb.
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On June 10 2013 22:19 TheMango wrote: Pretty good list and great blog. I'd like to see your top x shows of all time if you ever get a chance.
Also, <3 Justified. You're right that it's not the best show out there, but it's probably like 5th on my list. Personal preference wise, I'd probably rank it above Game of Thrones even :p. Game of Thrones is a great show based off an even greater book, but as someone who read the books first it can never compare imo.
I'm glad we agree! I'll make a top x of all time at some point, I think. After Breaking Bad wraps for the sake of perspective maybe?
On June 10 2013 22:54 HaRuHi wrote:Well... a.) Do not watch, possess tele b.) Not US citizen, probably other stuff on tv even if I would watch. c.) saw 8,6 and 1. Would switch 8 and 1, but I guess it is too early to tell with just one season of the americans, but breaking bad kind off became very boring in season four for me, tried to force myself to keep on watching, but I get sooo tired from it. Yo, come to think of it, does suits still run? Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 22:19 TheMango wrote: Pretty good list and great blog. I'd like to see your top x shows of all time if you ever get a chance. [...] I second this motion, more to discuss for the international community that TL is aswell. Edit: I know it is still being produced and they are inbetween seasons, but my favourite show on tele atm: Lost Girl ... But my favourite show of all times is buffy, so :D
Suits is still on. I distinctly dislike USA shows, sorry. I'm sorry to hear you did not like Breaking Bad! Hard to believe you found it boring, especially. Buffy was a very good show that took a while to find itself.
On June 11 2013 00:26 SamsungStar wrote: No Sons of Anarchy. No Boardwalk Empire. And you have Breaking Bad, Girls, and Mad Men. Yeah, that's not a list I accept.
I don't understand, are you saying that Sons of Anarchy and Boardwalk Empire are both better shows than the other three you listed? If so, did SAMCRO kidnap your wife and threaten to bite her tongue off if you didn't make this post?
Neither are very good shows, in my opinion. Sons, especially is all over the place all the time. Even chaos has to have structure and the feeling of randomness that pervades Sons of Anarchy is a bit much to take. Anything can happen in any number of ways (in a non-Homeland way,) thus, the stakes are made to feel low. But I think your opinion is not uncommon - it's a very popular show and I can understand why people like it.
On June 11 2013 03:00 Spekulatius wrote: I agree with a lot of your ranking. Louie, BB and Mad Men are my favorite shows at the moment.
Parks and Recreation bores me. I cannot get into Girls. Got is overrated. Haven't seen #7 and #8. Might give them a try.
Overall good job.
Thank you! Parks and Recreation is so pleasant, give it a another shot!
On June 11 2013 03:34 ASoo wrote: Your analysis of GoT is more in line with my fears for the future of the show than my impression of it thus far. Most of my complaints about it so far have been issues of adaptation rather than material. The biggest wall-bangers I can think of off the top of my head: -The first season's oft-debated "sexposition" issues, culminating in that unforgivable Littlefinger-ing monologue. -Some flubbed emotional high-points (the Greatjon's fingers getting bitten off comes to mind). -Enough battle scenes have been off-screened that it's started to feel really awkward. I know, budget, but still. -In this last episode, Dany's white messiah crowd surfing scene was pretty uncomfortable.
That said, you're right that there are so many disparate plotlines going on that people are starting to get lost and forgotten...I only care about Bran because of the books, and like you, I have yet to be made to give a crap about the Blackfish at all. And like you say, the first two and a half books are the low-hanging fruit, the part of the story that's actually tight and coherent enough to hang together. From here on out, the mission creep starts in earnest, and the sprawl of unnecessary character introduction just gets worse and worse.
I really, really hope David and Dan have the balls to do some serious merciless fat-trimming from here on out, or the show is gonna start sucking real soon now. Otherwise, I'm gonna come back to this thread in a year and edit this post to just read "you called it" with a trollface at the bottom.
I think this is a great post, and not just because you agree with me about 65% of the way. I did not hate the sexposition - it's part of HBOs culture and about as tasteful as some of George Martin's erotica, no? Did they overdo it? Yeah, probably - but their is SO much story to explain. How many non-reading watchers of the show do you think can even tell you who Lysa Tully is? They have no idea - and Littlefinger is going there now! Unless you said, "the mom with the weird kid that breastfeeds," most people watching Game of Thrones are just watching a spectacle.
On June 11 2013 04:28 MassHysteria wrote: Will have to put #2 on the top of my shows to watch due to your recommendation now.
I agree with your thoughts on the shows I have seen (#1, 3, 5, 6) though. GoT I actually just ended season 2 and will start S3 soon. Parks and Rec is a show I have started on Netflix and watch slowly but I do love the humor already. I wanted to start the Americans and I DVR'd the first like 3 episodes but accidentally deleted them and never got into it.
Only question I have is what about Curb Your Enthusiasm? Didn't crack the list or just never watched it?
As for the "golden age" of TV, some people seem to think Mad Men was also the last of the age( which started with the Sopranos) so interested to hear your thoughts.
Get back to watching the Finals son.
Curb Your Enthusiasm would be #10 on my list, most likely. Regarding the "Golden Age" conversation, I think the show that ended it was Homeland. So I would still slot Breaking Bad in there. So probably - The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men and Breaking Bad, The Shield, Lost and the greatest show of all time, Six Feet Under would be the shows I slot in there.
I haven't really thought about it, I guess? But now it will consume me.
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not many people watch Parks and Rec? That surprises me. A great majority of my friends watch that and Community. I really just don't find either of them funny. I guess it's similar to my opinion toward The Office-I feel like everyone around me loves the show and I just really don't find it funny at all.
Of the shows on this list I really only watch Mad Men and GoT. However, I really miss shows like Frasier and The Simpsons (back when it was good).
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I couldn't get into Breaking Bad. Not sure why. I just never got past the first two episodes. I love Justified though. Other than girls (because I have never seen it) I think its a really solid list.
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On June 11 2013 10:41 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 19:02 GwSC wrote: This is a pretty good list. I would fit Orphan Black somewhere between 6-8 though, even there has only been one season I'm in love with that show. Boardwalk Empire and Doctor Who would also be on my list, and I'd get rid of Louie and Justified, even though I really enjoy Justified. Oh my God, Orphan Black is shockingly good. I haven't finished the season but really - it is surprisingly excellent. I don't watch Doctor Who because it's too loaded with history to really step in, it's intimidating. Boardwalk Empire just doesn't cut it. It's a decent show masquerading around like a great show. I'd say it's something like the 20-15th best show on TV. I watching because the production is so slick and some of the actors are very charismatic but I don't think it belongs on the list.
Always nice to find other people enjoying Orphan Black. More people really need to be watching it. Maybe someone not so lazy as I will start a thread here on TL someday  For anyone unfamiliar with it, at least give it a try. Tatiana Maslany picked up a Best Actress from the Critics Choice Television Awards, so nice that she is getting some recognition for such an awesome performance (even if it is from a fairly new association in the BTJA).
http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/2013-critics-choice-tv-awards-winners/
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A very fair list, except for #4. That show does nothing for me.
Oh, and I think some people are mistaking OP's list for all-time top shows. This is a list of shows currently running.
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I think this is a great post, and not just because you agree with me about 65% of the way. I did not hate the sexposition - it's part of HBOs culture and about as tasteful as some of George Martin's erotica, no? Did they overdo it? Yeah, probably - but their is SO much story to explain. How many non-reading watchers of the show do you think can even tell you who Lysa Tully is? They have no idea - and Littlefinger is going there now! Unless you said, "the mom with the weird kid that breastfeeds," most people watching Game of Thrones are just watching a spectacle. I'm certainly not gonna champion the tastefulness of GRRM's erotica, but I think it has different problems than the show's awkward use of sex. My problem with the worst sexposition scenes wasn't that they were tastelessly done (on the contrary, some of them, like Viserys' bathtub scene, were both tasteful and hot as fuck), it was that they broke my suspension of disbelief. They were so transparently thrown in without regard for anybody's actual motivation that I was thrown out of the viewing experience. You're right that scenes like that are part of HBO's culture, but that's part of the problem, I think...when one of those scenes came along, I suddenly remembered that I wasn't peering through a window into the culture and problems of Westeros, I was watching a pretty good show on HBO. Which is exactly what good television is trying to avoid, especially alternate-world fantasy television.
GRRM's sex scenes are just poorly written and gross. Totally different issue.
(P.S. I was disappointed at how brief the Jaime+Cersei reunion scene was in 3.10, but I gotta admit I didn't miss the menstrual blood-soaked twincest thing.)
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On June 11 2013 14:49 wherebugsgo wrote: not many people watch Parks and Rec? That surprises me. A great majority of my friends watch that and Community. I really just don't find either of them funny. I guess it's similar to my opinion toward The Office-I feel like everyone around me loves the show and I just really don't find it funny at all.
Of the shows on this list I really only watch Mad Men and GoT. However, I really miss shows like Frasier and The Simpsons (back when it was good).
it's awkward humour, it's okay man i fucking hate the office and parks and rec too. I've never found awkward humour funny. I only find lists like this useful for exposure to new shows
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On June 12 2013 10:18 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 14:49 wherebugsgo wrote: not many people watch Parks and Rec? That surprises me. A great majority of my friends watch that and Community. I really just don't find either of them funny. I guess it's similar to my opinion toward The Office-I feel like everyone around me loves the show and I just really don't find it funny at all.
Of the shows on this list I really only watch Mad Men and GoT. However, I really miss shows like Frasier and The Simpsons (back when it was good). it's awkward humour, it's okay man i fucking hate the office and parks and rec too. I've never found awkward humour funny. I only find lists like this useful for exposure to new shows
Glad to be of service. Sorry we can't be friends since you hate Parks and Recreation and I have an unfavourable opinion of people who savour the use of "u" in words like "humour;" I can't help but colour at the distasteful flavour when I read it.
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Can you elaborate on why Mad Men S6 has been a failure? You allude to it but never go into depth. I've found S6 pretty good, though maybe a little bit ham handed in conveying its message (or maybe I've just improved my ability to see it, i'm not quite sure).
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On June 12 2013 17:28 FractalsOnFire wrote: Can you elaborate on why Mad Men S6 has been a failure? You allude to it but never go into depth. I've found S6 pretty good, though maybe a little bit ham handed in conveying its message (or maybe I've just improved my ability to see it, i'm not quite sure).
As in all things, failure here is a relative term. The major failures here are, in my opinion, the tragic mishandling of Dr. Martin Luther King's assassination, Don and Sylvia's relationship, the lack of "classic" Mad Men execution in the first couple of episodes.
I can get over the Don and Sylvia stuff and even the audacity with which Mad Men approaches race. But the issue with Season 6, and I'm not sure who else agrees with me, is Don Draper himself. While I appreciate Don Draper: Existential Nightmare Man, he has simply become an unlikable character. Remember in Season 1 when Mad Men came out and everyone wanted to be Don Draper? To act and dress like him because he was the quintessential avatar of American Masculinity? I think we can all agree that that Don Draper is dead - Matthew Weiner has taken great delight in tearing him down before our eyes, exposing him as a failure as a father, a husband, a coworker, a boss, a lover. Everything a man ought be, Don Draper has not been that.
Of course, this teardown is systematic and intentional. Mad Men is no longer that show where we look at Don Draper as a hero. But this doesn't mean it doesn't produce problems - primary among them? It's hard to love a show when you dislike the main character. The amazing thing about season 4 and season 5 was the way Mad Men still managed to be incredibly subtle, nuanced in its characters' failures. I'm reminded of "At the Codfish Ball" and "Far Away Places" and "The Suitcase." Season 6 hasn't produced anything close to the quality of those episodes, at least in my opinion.
EDIT: Also, in regards to motif, I find this season a bit heavy handed. I would say Season 4 was one of transformation, Season 5 of disappointment and Season 6 of reflections/cycling. That'd be a different discussion though.
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On June 13 2013 14:30 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 17:28 FractalsOnFire wrote: Can you elaborate on why Mad Men S6 has been a failure? You allude to it but never go into depth. I've found S6 pretty good, though maybe a little bit ham handed in conveying its message (or maybe I've just improved my ability to see it, i'm not quite sure). As in all things, failure here is a relative term. The major failures here are, in my opinion, the tragic mishandling of Dr. Martin Luther King's assassination, Don and Sylvia's relationship, the lack of "classic" Mad Men execution in the first couple of episodes. I can get over the Don and Sylvia stuff and even the audacity with which Mad Men approaches race. But the issue with Season 6, and I'm not sure who else agrees with me, is Don Draper himself. While I appreciate Don Draper: Existential Nightmare Man, he has simply become an unlikable character. Remember in Season 1 when Mad Men came out and everyone wanted to be Don Draper? To act and dress like him because he was the quintessential avatar of American Masculinity? I think we can all agree that that Don Draper is dead - Matthew Weiner has taken great delight in tearing him down before our eyes, exposing him as a failure as a father, a husband, a coworker, a boss, a lover. Everything a man ought be, Don Draper has not been that. Of course, this teardown is systematic and intentional. Mad Men is no longer that show where we look at Don Draper as a hero. But this doesn't mean it doesn't produce problems - primary among them? It's hard to love a show when you dislike the main character. The amazing thing about season 4 and season 5 was the way Mad Men still managed to be incredibly subtle, nuanced in its characters' failures. I'm reminded of "At the Codfish Ball" and "Far Away Places" and "The Suitcase." Season 6 hasn't produced anything close to the quality of those episodes, at least in my opinion. EDIT: Also, in regards to motif, I find this season a bit heavy handed. I would say Season 4 was one of transformation, Season 5 of disappointment and Season 6 of reflections/cycling. That'd be a different discussion though.
I think with regards to Don Draper, its the whole process of eventual disillusionment with the character. Very much how you would see a narcissist (which Don Draper is). Its the whole first impression "wow this guy is amazing, he's successful, handsome, has a family" blah blah blah and then as we go along we see all the cracks, the bullshit, the manipulation, the lies etc. Which we then eventually turn the other way, we start to resent and try to push them away.
TBH I would be fine hating the main character (though i don't hate Don Draper, i find him interesting)
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I guess taste is different. I do hate GIRLS, I don't know a few and I think Dexter should be in there as well as Game of Thrones must be placed higher. Breaking Bad to me is worse than game of thrones, but as I said, different people have different taste.
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You are one weird cat. I really like many other shows that are not on the list and some of your shows are fail
1.) Girls is one of the worst shows I had ever watched. I suffered through 3 episodes and EVERY character annoyed the shit out of me. The story line and plot was poor and the character development was piss poor. This is not the female entourage it is just plain bad.
2.) Mad men is super slow and boring. Many people I have talked to agree with me. It just isn't my cup of tea.
3.) Where is the walking dead or Homeland. Both of these shows are top notch. They are really enjoyable and super well done. I can always watch a new episode of these two shows and be glued to my seat.
4.) You tried to point out you don't like suits because you dont like the channel. Suits and while collar are both fun and enjoyable shows. Not sure it would make the top 10 though.
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On June 13 2013 18:36 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 14:30 slyboogie wrote:On June 12 2013 17:28 FractalsOnFire wrote: Can you elaborate on why Mad Men S6 has been a failure? You allude to it but never go into depth. I've found S6 pretty good, though maybe a little bit ham handed in conveying its message (or maybe I've just improved my ability to see it, i'm not quite sure). As in all things, failure here is a relative term. The major failures here are, in my opinion, the tragic mishandling of Dr. Martin Luther King's assassination, Don and Sylvia's relationship, the lack of "classic" Mad Men execution in the first couple of episodes. I can get over the Don and Sylvia stuff and even the audacity with which Mad Men approaches race. But the issue with Season 6, and I'm not sure who else agrees with me, is Don Draper himself. While I appreciate Don Draper: Existential Nightmare Man, he has simply become an unlikable character. Remember in Season 1 when Mad Men came out and everyone wanted to be Don Draper? To act and dress like him because he was the quintessential avatar of American Masculinity? I think we can all agree that that Don Draper is dead - Matthew Weiner has taken great delight in tearing him down before our eyes, exposing him as a failure as a father, a husband, a coworker, a boss, a lover. Everything a man ought be, Don Draper has not been that. Of course, this teardown is systematic and intentional. Mad Men is no longer that show where we look at Don Draper as a hero. But this doesn't mean it doesn't produce problems - primary among them? It's hard to love a show when you dislike the main character. The amazing thing about season 4 and season 5 was the way Mad Men still managed to be incredibly subtle, nuanced in its characters' failures. I'm reminded of "At the Codfish Ball" and "Far Away Places" and "The Suitcase." Season 6 hasn't produced anything close to the quality of those episodes, at least in my opinion. EDIT: Also, in regards to motif, I find this season a bit heavy handed. I would say Season 4 was one of transformation, Season 5 of disappointment and Season 6 of reflections/cycling. That'd be a different discussion though. I think with regards to Don Draper, its the whole process of eventual disillusionment with the character. Very much how you would see a narcissist (which Don Draper is). Its the whole first impression "wow this guy is amazing, he's successful, handsome, has a family" blah blah blah and then as we go along we see all the cracks, the bullshit, the manipulation, the lies etc. Which we then eventually turn the other way, we start to resent and try to push them away. TBH I would be fine hating the main character (though i don't hate Don Draper, i find him interesting)
Eventually?! Would you not say that he is disillusioned now? No, I don't mean to say that I hate Don Draper, but I think that we can conclude that Don Draper can never really be happy - thus, what do we want for him? What do we want from him? We certainly don't sit around hoping for him to establish a real relationship with his daughter or with Peggy or with Megan. That's why we feel that longing when Don and Joan give each other that look at the hospital or when Don kisses Peggy's hand when she leaves. He can't be happy, and there's something dragging about that this season.
On June 13 2013 19:38 Type|NarutO wrote: I guess taste is different. I do hate GIRLS, I don't know a few and I think Dexter should be in there as well as Game of Thrones must be placed higher. Breaking Bad to me is worse than game of thrones, but as I said, different people have different taste.
You hate Girls but you think Breaking Bad is worse than Game of Thrones? I take this to mean that you enjoy the subject matter of Game of Thrones more than the others? Maybe that's why the idea of "taste" keeps coming up?
On June 13 2013 19:52 lightrise wrote: You are one weird cat. I really like many other shows that are not on the list and some of your shows are fail
1.) Girls is one of the worst shows I had ever watched. I suffered through 3 episodes and EVERY character annoyed the shit out of me. The story line and plot was poor and the character development was piss poor. This is not the female entourage it is just plain bad.
2.) Mad men is super slow and boring. Many people I have talked to agree with me. It just isn't my cup of tea.
3.) Where is the walking dead or Homeland. Both of these shows are top notch. They are really enjoyable and super well done. I can always watch a new episode of these two shows and be glued to my seat.
4.) You tried to point out you don't like suits because you dont like the channel. Suits and while collar are both fun and enjoyable shows. Not sure it would make the top 10 though.
Oh, I don't think you're using the term "character development" properly - especially if you think calling it "female entourage" is some sort of a compliment. Girls has excellent character development. The "plot" is certainly nothing to praise, it's a meandering show. You can hate the characters but I think you're prejudiced against the show - most likely because of background. I think that's okay - it's not really an issue. We watch TV through our eyes, which is our own filter.
It's clear you like certain kinds of shows, slick, poppy maybe with a zombie or two? Maybe a cool little intro song. Some dashing fellas? Suits is fine, it's an easy watch but don't make it what it isn't.
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Oh, I don't think you're using the term "character development" properly - especially if you think calling it "female entourage" is some sort of a compliment. Girls has excellent character development. The "plot" is certainly nothing to praise, it's a meandering show. You can hate the characters but I think you're prejudiced against the show - most likely because of background. I think that's okay - it's not really an issue. We watch TV through our eyes, which is our own filter.
It's clear you like certain kinds of shows, slick, poppy maybe with a zombie or two? Maybe a cool little intro song. Some dashing fellas? Suits is fine, it's an easy watch but don't make it what it isn't.
No I am telling you that the show is just flat out bad. The characters are not very interesting and are actually very annoying. I am saying people called it that and it is neither a good show nor the female entourage. I like all types of shows. I have watched tons of different ones. Some of the best shows ever for me are Rome and the Wire which are no longer on the air. Don't try and categorize what shows I like. You like a specific type of show and have some peculiar ideas that is for sure.
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Thank god Girls isn't the female Entourage.
I wish Entourage hadn't become the male Entourage.
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[QUOTE]On June 14 2013 11:25 slyboogie wrote: [QUOTE]On June 13 2013 18:36 FractalsOnFire wrote: [QUOTE]On June 13 2013 14:30 slyboogie wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2013 17:28 FractalsOnFire wrote: Can you elaborate on why Mad Men S6 has been a failure? You allude to it but never go into depth. I've found S6 pretty good, though maybe a little bit ham handed in conveying its message (or maybe I've just improved my ability to see it, i'm not quite sure).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On June 13 2013 19:38 Type|NarutO wrote: I guess taste is different. I do hate GIRLS, I don't know a few and I think Dexter should be in there as well as Game of Thrones must be placed higher. Breaking Bad to me is worse than game of thrones, but as I said, different people have different taste.[/QUOTE]
You hate Girls but you think Breaking Bad is worse than Game of Thrones? I take this to mean that you enjoy the subject matter of Game of Thrones more than the others? Maybe that's why the idea of "taste" keeps coming up?
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Well do we talk about a objective review of shows and how they are written, filmed and overall produced or are we talking about our top shows? Because I would argue that what you do is note your top 10. You don't generally criticize on general aspects of film/movie making.
So yes, taste begins when you stop being objective. While some people would say its not even possible to be objective in a critic about a movie or series. I don't think Breaking bad is worse than Game of Thrones, its different. I thought the first season (development of characters) was very poorly written, slow and unentertaining while the development of the characters in Game of Thrones is excellent, dynamic and very twisted.
Overall I would say I like both settings and both series but GoT kept me glued to the seat more. And yes, didn't like girls at all :x
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I think Girls will get a lot haters for sure. It's because they portray the characters in a brutally honest way... they're "real" people instead of the usual well (or not so well) scripted characters that we're used to seeing on tv.
For some odd reason nobody seems to be talking about The Americans which i think is one of the best new shows.
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I don't know a lot of shows from your list, therefore I thank you, I have some to check out. I know only Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones which I really like, I like dark but I also like comedy. There are actually a lot of mainstream shows like Walking Dead or Shameless which I find really bad, so it is a good sign that you have included neither.
What I currently watch and would include to the list is House of Cards and Black Mirror. Both shows are rather dark, especially Black Mirror, but it definitelly has a lot of depth and emotions, although it may not be for everyone.
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On June 14 2013 18:31 LastWish wrote: I don't know a lot of shows from your list, therefore I thank you, I have some to check out. I know only Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones which I really like, I like dark but I also like comedy. There are actually a lot of mainstream shows like Walking Dead or Shameless which I find really bad, so it is a good sign that you have included neither.
What I currently watch and would include to the list is House of Cards and Black Mirror. Both shows are rather dark, especially Black Mirror, but it definitelly has a lot of depth and emotions, although it may not be for everyone.
House of cards is currently not on and I don't know if they are going to make another season. I just thought this list was for active shows that will have more seasons. Also It is a great show just don't think its top 10. Really enjoyable and dark though as you have said.
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