• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:33
CEST 08:33
KST 15:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun9[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists20[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) FSL Season 10 Individual Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2053 users

litigation against AA and Flugladen.de

Blogs > Rus_Brain
Post a Reply
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 01:17:19
June 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#1
Excuse my english. Should be litigation against AA / Flugladen.de


Maybe this blogpost will be interesting for you guys. I also seek for some idea support or at lest "like/retweet support" as this really help to solve the matter in customer's favour sometimes.


WTF?
+ Show Spoiler +
I have purchased the tickets from Moscow (Russia) to Cancun (Mexico) at 21st of May via Budgetair.ru (Flugladen.de affiliate).

The price-recommended flight was Moscow - London by Aeroflot with following London - NY - Cancun by AA (two stops in total). Flight at 1st of June.

Please note neither cancelation information nor visa information was provided from Flugladen.de or AA prior to purchase.

Right after the purchase I received an e-mail stating that I have to obtain visa waiver for a flight via USA. Moscow embassy advised, that only EU citizens are eligible for visa waivers. Russians should only apply for general visa. Yet it remained impossible to obtain visa during such a short time.


When I asked for cancellation Flugladen.de advised that
1st: all tickets are non-refundable (it was stated in the rules of the website),
2nd: they are in no way responsible for visa issues (visa waiver statement was only “informative” and should have been checked up prior to ticket purchasing)
3rd: cancellation issue will only be handled upon visa denial letter to be provided.

However for me it is questionable
1st - the rules state that tickets may be non-refundable with no information for these particular tickets
2nd - being a long-term player on the market Flugladen.de should have the information regarding visas, otherwise they would not mention visa waiver either
3rd - Flugladen.de knew that neither visa issuance process nor visa denial letter is possible to obtain in a week prior to departure. Moreover my visa was not denied in fact. The time was just not enough to obtain it (not to mention US holiday at 27th of May).


This resulted me a net loss of US$3500 for tickets, and gross loss of US$4,500 (tax included) as I have to pay the loss from tax-exempted profit*.


*I asked Flugladen.de for supportive documents required for Russian accounting system to register the expense as loss in terms of accounting. Got ignored for a week. Thus I had to pay from taxed profit.



I will be thankful for your retweets/likes.
https://twitter.com/Rus_Brain
https://www.facebook.com/Flugladen.de#



Posted at Flugladen.de and AA.

Flugladen.de keeps ignoring. Looks like this is their normal business practise. Utmost good faith?

AA started with just "sorries" and no particular help, but with my question should I treat them as witness or litigant got disturbed and requested additional info. Promised to try to help afterwards.

patyrykin.net
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27173 Posts
June 07 2013 03:10 GMT
#2
Renamed thread.
ModeratorGodfather
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 07 2013 04:41 GMT
#3
When I saw AA, I thought it was Alcoholics Anonymous, but now I see it's American Airlines.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 19:19:08
June 07 2013 19:18 GMT
#4
Have further development.

Upon check of my tickets AA representative asked to complain officially on a web-site to inform the management about the case.
patyrykin.net
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 148
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5306
Aegong 545
910 51
soO 27
Noble 11
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm432
League of Legends
JimRising 720
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1805
Stewie2K706
Other Games
summit1g7405
C9.Mang0552
WinterStarcraft342
RuFF_SC212
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick869
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream78
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1071
• Lourlo909
• Stunt585
Upcoming Events
GSL
2h 57m
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
KCM Race Survival
3h 27m
Big Gabe
5h 27m
WardiTV Qualifier
5h 27m
Replay Cast
17h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Escore
1d 3h
OSC
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
IPSL
3 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
GSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.