• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:32
CEST 19:32
KST 02:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 235ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon435.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft? Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4523 users

litigation against AA and Flugladen.de

Blogs > Rus_Brain
Post a Reply
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 01:17:19
June 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#1
Excuse my english. Should be litigation against AA / Flugladen.de


Maybe this blogpost will be interesting for you guys. I also seek for some idea support or at lest "like/retweet support" as this really help to solve the matter in customer's favour sometimes.


WTF?
+ Show Spoiler +
I have purchased the tickets from Moscow (Russia) to Cancun (Mexico) at 21st of May via Budgetair.ru (Flugladen.de affiliate).

The price-recommended flight was Moscow - London by Aeroflot with following London - NY - Cancun by AA (two stops in total). Flight at 1st of June.

Please note neither cancelation information nor visa information was provided from Flugladen.de or AA prior to purchase.

Right after the purchase I received an e-mail stating that I have to obtain visa waiver for a flight via USA. Moscow embassy advised, that only EU citizens are eligible for visa waivers. Russians should only apply for general visa. Yet it remained impossible to obtain visa during such a short time.


When I asked for cancellation Flugladen.de advised that
1st: all tickets are non-refundable (it was stated in the rules of the website),
2nd: they are in no way responsible for visa issues (visa waiver statement was only “informative” and should have been checked up prior to ticket purchasing)
3rd: cancellation issue will only be handled upon visa denial letter to be provided.

However for me it is questionable
1st - the rules state that tickets may be non-refundable with no information for these particular tickets
2nd - being a long-term player on the market Flugladen.de should have the information regarding visas, otherwise they would not mention visa waiver either
3rd - Flugladen.de knew that neither visa issuance process nor visa denial letter is possible to obtain in a week prior to departure. Moreover my visa was not denied in fact. The time was just not enough to obtain it (not to mention US holiday at 27th of May).


This resulted me a net loss of US$3500 for tickets, and gross loss of US$4,500 (tax included) as I have to pay the loss from tax-exempted profit*.


*I asked Flugladen.de for supportive documents required for Russian accounting system to register the expense as loss in terms of accounting. Got ignored for a week. Thus I had to pay from taxed profit.



I will be thankful for your retweets/likes.
https://twitter.com/Rus_Brain
https://www.facebook.com/Flugladen.de#



Posted at Flugladen.de and AA.

Flugladen.de keeps ignoring. Looks like this is their normal business practise. Utmost good faith?

AA started with just "sorries" and no particular help, but with my question should I treat them as witness or litigant got disturbed and requested additional info. Promised to try to help afterwards.

patyrykin.net
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
June 07 2013 03:10 GMT
#2
Renamed thread.
ModeratorGodfather
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 07 2013 04:41 GMT
#3
When I saw AA, I thought it was Alcoholics Anonymous, but now I see it's American Airlines.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 19:19:08
June 07 2013 19:18 GMT
#4
Have further development.

Upon check of my tickets AA representative asked to complain officially on a web-site to inform the management about the case.
patyrykin.net
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#121
RotterdaM1029
TKL 164
IndyStarCraft 131
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1029
TKL 164
IndyStarCraft 131
BRAT_OK 55
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 2320
BeSt 724
EffOrt 497
Soulkey 458
Horang2 412
Larva 395
actioN 338
Hyuk 309
Rush 237
hero 225
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 224
ZerO 188
Mong 91
Sharp 62
JYJ 60
sSak 55
Free 40
soO 33
Sexy 31
sorry 27
scan(afreeca) 25
Rock 24
Hm[arnc] 23
910 20
HiyA 17
Terrorterran 17
Dota 2
Gorgc8625
qojqva1484
XaKoH 537
Counter-Strike
fl0m1851
kRYSTAL_97
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King114
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu196
Other Games
Grubby3002
B2W.Neo733
Beastyqt616
Hui .147
ArmadaUGS118
mouzStarbuck85
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick33512
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV410
League of Legends
• Nemesis2995
Other Games
• imaqtpie423
• Shiphtur410
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 28m
Replay Cast
6h 28m
RSL Revival
15h 28m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
16h 28m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 28m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
18h 28m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
22h 28m
Dragon vs Ret
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
IPSL
1d 22h
Bonyth vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.