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Hong Kong9153 Posts
On June 05 2013 05:50 uberxD wrote:
Well I didn't expected to be popular by this post, as I predicted there's too much "don't like it don't see it" attitude with really low capacity to digest what's the series currently showing you.
You are the one saying that fiction should only show either no deaths or 'clean' deaths in a 'political/military' fictional thriller. Fiction can be anything, and while what went on here is not standard for tame American television standards, it isn't improper. People don't always die fairy tale deaths.
And as far as your Death Note implications go
+ Show Spoiler +he had to die, he was told he was going to in the first episode
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On June 05 2013 01:55 uberxD wrote:
TL;DR : Using the heart-breaking-brutality trick is cheap. The womb stabs were an unnecesary brutal strike that the series don't need to catch the attention. Bascially, I felt 'cheesed' by the episode... a really effective heart-breaking-brutality, but shows a really low value strategy from the writer/director/etc.
A ton of stuff isn't necessary. Most of what gives the show character isn't 'necessary'. It's those unnecessary things that add color to the show and elevate it.
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On June 05 2013 05:50 uberxD wrote:
Well I didn't expected to be popular by this post, as I predicted there's too much "don't like it don't see it" attitude with really low capacity to digest what's the series currently showing you.
You are the one with low capacity to digest the fact that the directors decided that the brutality is necessary to show off how fucked up the Boltons and the Freys are, don't go around telling the writers how to write.
Same thing with Theon's torture. Ramsay is a fucking psycho (actually much much worse than that) in the books, all the torturing in the show just do him very well justice (he's much worse actually, but it's fine).
Again, this series isn't for everyone, if you find it too strong for your taste, don't ever read the books, because compared to them the HBO adaptation is much more discrete.
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This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break.
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On June 05 2013 03:59 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 03:23 haduken wrote:Well the book is worse lol... Also what is dead is not truly dead, but rise again, stronger. I don't want to spoil it for everyone, + Show Spoiler +but 2 of the the three stark characters who was cut down in red wedding are not dead in the story line. Then maybe you should actually you know... spoiler it since it's a future event not yet revealed in the series. I've read the books, but many others in this blog won't have.
lol glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I don't care either way because I don't read/watch, but that's just silly. It's like when people say something totally offensive and just preface it with a "no offense".
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OP should go watch Spartacus if he thinks that episode was brutal/excessive.
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On June 05 2013 07:44 Thrill wrote:
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break.
Exactly this.
If you thought everything else from got is classy and a fine example of literature/film making you gotta take a break. xD
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calling the brutality "unnecessary"? If you only want the necessary elements of the plot, go read Wikipedia. The brutality gave the scene its color and made it the most gut-wrenching thing I've ever seen on TV. It was incredible for me to be so taken off-guard.
Who cares if you don't get to process the implications at that moment? You have a whole week to wait for the next episode and speculate on what it will all mean. Just enjoy the ride while you watch the show.
On June 05 2013 03:23 haduken wrote:
Well the book is worse lol...
Also what is dead is not truly dead, but rise again, stronger.
I don't want to spoil it for everyone, but...
what the fuck, spoiler that shit dude! "I don't want to spoil it, but here's a spoiler!"
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On June 05 2013 07:44 Thrill wrote:
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break.
I'm curious, do you actually watch the show? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think it was all 'cheap shit' if you did. This scene in question wasn't cheap, either, but a very well-crafted and daring emotional and strategical (anti)climax to the main Stark plotline (with a multiple-season buildup). What aspect of that is cheap?
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On June 05 2013 10:07 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 07:44 Thrill wrote:
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break. I'm curious, do you actually watch the show? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think it was all 'cheap shit' if you did. This scene in question wasn't cheap, either, but a very well-crafted and daring emotional and strategical (anti)climax to the main Stark plotline (with a multiple-season buildup). What aspect of that is cheap?
It wasn't the book and we all know only books can truly represent the glorious truth of GRRM's work.
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On June 05 2013 01:55 uberxD wrote:
Game of Thrones is a series that catched me like few other series before, I really enjoy it and I think it's amazingly well done in all terms. Of course it have its "hmm ok" stuff, like the need to sexual scenes and some gore moments.
But the S03E09 episode went a little bit far in terms of brutality... I know I know, most of you will disagree me. But let me at least explain my point of view.
I like GOT because I like stories with some political/military thrill on them, if you add a touch of fantasy you will probably have my attention. This story in particual is very interesting, because there so much plot twists, so much tension, so much things that can go wrong (and so much things that, actually 'go wrong') that it's hard to guess what's going to happen until it's happening. It's like Metal Gear, until the very end of the game you think you saved the world and defeated the bad guy. Until you realize that the bad guy was actually a good guy all this time. Genius.
Now, back on topic. What I try to say is that GOT, even if it have some, doesn't need the heart-breaking-brutality shown in the last scenes of the S03E09. The series keeps you up because of its plot, because of the twists and the endless posibilities that offers.
When you kill a main character, the obvious favourite character, you don't give them more misery than death itself, because you need them to trascend. Rob's wife should have died by only one thrust in the belly, they shouldn't have shown Lady Stark having her throat in the middle of a cry and well, Rob died the 'OK' way...
Of course, the trick of the heart-breaking-brutality works, I feel bad not because Rob and Catelyn died, I am just pissed by the cheap way they died.
TL;DR : Using the heart-breaking-brutality trick is cheap. The womb stabs were an unnecesary brutal strike that the series don't need to catch the attention. Bascially, I felt 'cheesed' by the episode... a really effective heart-breaking-brutality, but shows a really low value strategy from the writer/director/etc.
No, it really doesn't. It shows how brilliant they are. The entire point of the scene was to show the utter brutality, gruesomeness, and level of betrayal that the Frey's just enacted. If you don't like grim, don't watch Game of Thrones.
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break.
When people ask me what a "hipster" is, I'll be pointing to examples like you.
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On June 05 2013 03:23 haduken wrote:
-spoilers-
I don't want to spoil it for everyone, but -spoilers-
Thanks for the spoilers.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P8BKGul.gif)
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Rob and cat were killed because of revenge, ned was different, he was publically executed
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I feel like GoT has slowly started to become more and more corny. Perhaps the mysticism wore off and perhaps it was just budgeting issues or something.
Which is bad. My mom used to watch a lot of soap operas and while people should do what makes them happy I don't want to live my life in a rut.
edit: Thrill is right. This is just a modern day Colliseum.
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what. how were you cheesed? murder is brutal, get over it.
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On June 05 2013 10:07 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 07:44 Thrill wrote:
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break. I'm curious, do you actually watch the show? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think it was all 'cheap shit' if you did. This scene in question wasn't cheap, either, but a very well-crafted and daring emotional and strategical (anti)climax to the main Stark plotline (with a multiple-season buildup). What aspect of that is cheap?
he means that the excessive nudity and gore is exploitative and unnecessary and that the story is simplified for the average tv audience
i sorta agree, the only scenes it's really "called for" is when tyrion is whoring but they find a way to have boobs in pretty much every single episode
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haha you guys are so mad! #antibabystabbingcrew
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On June 05 2013 13:25 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:07 matjlav wrote:On June 05 2013 07:44 Thrill wrote:
This is the most 1/5 blog i've read in a long time.
The entire show is based on cheap shit, pointless characters added for nude scenes and shortcuts to please the masses.
And you choose to critique this? Give me a break. I'm curious, do you actually watch the show? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think it was all 'cheap shit' if you did. This scene in question wasn't cheap, either, but a very well-crafted and daring emotional and strategical (anti)climax to the main Stark plotline (with a multiple-season buildup). What aspect of that is cheap? he means that the excessive nudity and gore is exploitative and unnecessary and that the story is simplified for the average tv audience i sorta agree, the only scenes it's really "called for" is when tyrion is whoring but they find a way to have boobs in pretty much every single episode
He said "the entire show is based on cheap shit," not that there are just some scenes that are cheap, low-brow entertainment. I agree the excessive nudity and gore is pretty unnecessary for the most part, but that doesn't discredit the entire rest of the show.
And the story isn't "simplified for the average tv audience"; it's simplified somewhat because of the limitations of squeezing each book into a 10-hour TV series, but they still have enough plotlines that it often takes 2 full episodes to get in one scene for each major plot thread. Do you know of any TV shows on the air right now that are more complex?
Saying the show is entirely based on "cheap shit" is something that someone would only say if they watched the first 20 minutes, couldn't follow the plot, saw boobs, and decided it would be convenient to judge the entire 3 seasons of the show based on that. If you actually watch it and follow it closely, it's just nonsense to say that. Especially when you compare it to a truly "average American" TV show like How I Met Your Mother or something.
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I'm not surprised by GoT fanboys, given the reaction I had when I repproached the exact same thing to the show a month ago.
The sex and violence is cheesy, boring and geered toward a young male audience that defend it by arguments that show the cinematographic and litterary culture of... the average teenage male I guess. You guys have fascinating views of what makes good fiction and good cinema, tell me more please.
Showing doggystyle sex every episode is incredibly childish. The fact that a world is violent and the role of sex in it could be shown in much more subtle ways, maybe even in ways that could make us think about the way sexuality works in our society for instance. Trying to answer the "what would be the unseen consequences of a more promiscuous society be ?" That would be interesting. Instead ? we have boobs. Grand. Same line for on screen decapitation. Showing violence for the sake of violence is bad writing and bad directing. I definitely think you need to have a point of view on the violence you show for it not to be gratuitous.
Anyway, I'm not mad to know people like the show, I recognize the books have some qualities (even if they suffer a bit from the same stuff). Just don't act superior because you like "adult" "gritty" "realistic" things, because that's not the case at all. Typically
If you are so weak like this you definitely should not read the books. Maybe stick to watching soap operas and Barney & friends.
deserves to be answered by "If you're so interested in that kind of dumb stuff, you're not ready for good cinema and litterature. You should stick to teenage boy shows and books."
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