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On June 06 2013 03:45 corumjhaelen wrote:I'm not surprised by GoT fanboys, given the reaction I had when I repproached the exact same thing to the show a month ago. The sex and violence is cheesy, boring and geered toward a young male audience that defend it by arguments that show the cinematographic and litterary culture of... the average teenage male I guess. You guys have fascinating views of what makes good fiction and good cinema, tell me more please. Showing doggystyle sex every episode is incredibly childish. The fact that a world is violent and the role of sex in it could be shown in much more subtle ways, maybe even in ways that could make us think about the way sexuality works in our society for instance. Trying to answer the "what would be the unseen consequences of a more promiscuous society be ?" That would be interesting. Instead ? we have boobs. Grand. Same line for on screen decapitation. Showing violence for the sake of violence is bad writing and bad directing. I definitely think you need to have a point of view on the violence you show for it not to be gratuitous. Anyway, I'm not mad to know people like the show, I recognize the books have some qualities (even if they suffer a bit from the same stuff). Just don't act superior because you like "adult" "gritty" "realistic" things, because that's not the case at all. Typically Show nested quote +
If you are so weak like this you definitely should not read the books. Maybe stick to watching soap operas and Barney & friends.
deserves to be answered by "If you're so interested in that kind of dumb stuff, you're not ready for good cinema and litterature. You should stick to teenage boy shows and books."
All the sex and violence do happen in the books, so why the fuck can't people just accept that? I sincerely do not understand how can people be so sensitive about it.
GoT is not here to be some philosophical series to make us wonder about the human nature and all of that stuff. They are live acting one of the best fantasy book series ever written. All the sex and all the gore are present in most of the chapters, and they made it happen in the show too.
Get it: nudity and especially brutality are part of the story and set the tone of the song.
I think many people are having trouble understanding it because they haven't read the book, so from an outside view the show do seem to be exagerating on the boobs and violence, but too bad, because that is part of A Song of Ice and Fire and it has to be shown.
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On June 06 2013 05:21 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:45 corumjhaelen wrote:I'm not surprised by GoT fanboys, given the reaction I had when I repproached the exact same thing to the show a month ago. The sex and violence is cheesy, boring and geered toward a young male audience that defend it by arguments that show the cinematographic and litterary culture of... the average teenage male I guess. You guys have fascinating views of what makes good fiction and good cinema, tell me more please. Showing doggystyle sex every episode is incredibly childish. The fact that a world is violent and the role of sex in it could be shown in much more subtle ways, maybe even in ways that could make us think about the way sexuality works in our society for instance. Trying to answer the "what would be the unseen consequences of a more promiscuous society be ?" That would be interesting. Instead ? we have boobs. Grand. Same line for on screen decapitation. Showing violence for the sake of violence is bad writing and bad directing. I definitely think you need to have a point of view on the violence you show for it not to be gratuitous. Anyway, I'm not mad to know people like the show, I recognize the books have some qualities (even if they suffer a bit from the same stuff). Just don't act superior because you like "adult" "gritty" "realistic" things, because that's not the case at all. Typically
If you are so weak like this you definitely should not read the books. Maybe stick to watching soap operas and Barney & friends.
deserves to be answered by "If you're so interested in that kind of dumb stuff, you're not ready for good cinema and litterature. You should stick to teenage boy shows and books." All the sex and violence do happen in the books, so why the fuck can't people just accept that? I sincerely do not understand how can people be so sensitive about it. GoT is not here to be some philosophical series to make us wonder about the human nature and all of that stuff. They are live acting one of the best fantasy book series ever written. All the sex and all the gore are present in most of the chapters, and they made it happen in the show too. Get it: nudity and especially brutality are part of the story and set the tone of the song. I think many people are having trouble understanding it because they haven't read the book, so from an outside view the show do seem to be exagerating on the boobs and violence, but too bad, because that is part of A Song of Ice and Fire and it has to be shown.
I have read the books, so I could say your point is moot. The violence and sex is as idiotic in the book as it is in the serie, but my opinion is that the serie lacks the good side of the books.
And this is the main why LoTR is a way better book than GoT : there is some valuable questionning of human nature in it. Get over it.
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I don't know.
I really think the series is portraying the books the best they possibly can with limited cast, budget and time. And the sex and violence paint very well the feeling in the books.
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"i dont want to spoil it for everyone but here, *spoiler*"
ROFL
i think stomach stabbing was fine because
1) 1 poke wont kill, maybe they should have sliced her stomach and entrails/fetus coming out? that would be more brutal. entrails display is very common in the book, i dont think we've seen it on show yet.
2) freys were pissed at her and the baby, they probably heard it from somewhere shes pregnant and what better way to kill her?
3) its a fucked up world
4) no characters receive special treatment
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On June 06 2013 05:50 fabiano wrote:
I don't know.
I really think the series is portraying the books the best they possibly can with limited cast, budget and time. And the sex and violence paint very well the feeling in the books.
but that in no way makes the sex/violence good, it just makes it faithful to the source material.
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On June 05 2013 05:50 uberxD wrote:
Yes, I do think the torture scenes are kind of stupid... but not again, because it's gore. More because, at least I, can't figure out who is that fucker and what the hell he wants. Is just insanity? Meh, shitty argument.
Book spoilers if you actually care, im not sure if they will ever touch on this (perhaps the next season) about the torture.
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Theon is being tortured by Roose Bolton's (bastard?) Son (Roose bolton is the guy who Catlyn checked up his sleve and saw he was wearing chainmail, that guy.)
If the show followed how i interpreted the Bolton Family/House in general, they are really cut-throat.
It was expected to happen they would take the easy route for themselves after robb/catlyn having a bad impressions to the soldiers on how they wanna treat things (Jamie lannister fiasco for instance)
As far as the insane tourtue goes, that scene (in the show) where Theon was given a chance to guess correctly who he is, he was right in his call.
Its just that the Boltons are so fucked up they like to De-moralize and brutally fuck with people.
Try reading the books at a slow pace after each episode, you grow to the story a bit more.
The above statement is from what i gather slowly reading each chapter after each episode that airs. I might be a bit off but when i saw that scene and i knew a bit about the previous two books i understood why.
Try looking at their deaths from the perspectives of the other houses, what value did robb's crusade actually have? Would you rather just bitch out the easy way?
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On June 06 2013 03:45 corumjhaelen wrote:I'm not surprised by GoT fanboys, given the reaction I had when I repproached the exact same thing to the show a month ago. The sex and violence is cheesy, boring and geered toward a young male audience that defend it by arguments that show the cinematographic and litterary culture of... the average teenage male I guess. You guys have fascinating views of what makes good fiction and good cinema, tell me more please. Showing doggystyle sex every episode is incredibly childish. The fact that a world is violent and the role of sex in it could be shown in much more subtle ways, maybe even in ways that could make us think about the way sexuality works in our society for instance. Trying to answer the "what would be the unseen consequences of a more promiscuous society be ?" That would be interesting. Instead ? we have boobs. Grand. Same line for on screen decapitation. Showing violence for the sake of violence is bad writing and bad directing. I definitely think you need to have a point of view on the violence you show for it not to be gratuitous. Anyway, I'm not mad to know people like the show, I recognize the books have some qualities (even if they suffer a bit from the same stuff). Just don't act superior because you like "adult" "gritty" "realistic" things, because that's not the case at all. Typically Show nested quote +
If you are so weak like this you definitely should not read the books. Maybe stick to watching soap operas and Barney & friends.
deserves to be answered by "If you're so interested in that kind of dumb stuff, you're not ready for good cinema and litterature. You should stick to teenage boy shows and books."
The books and the series do not make a big deal out of the sex at all - more often they're just casual backgrounds for exposition to occur over (most obvious one which comes to mind is Littlefinger's backstory scene in the brothel). It isn't meant to be questioning promiscuity in society at all; it just happens to be a part of the setting. Same goes for violence - it is just there, because that's what medieval combat was like back then. All they are doing is just adding bits to the setting, and sometimes for shock value (red wedding did it perfectly - it's loud, brash, not subtle at all, but once again, that was the intent. You're not supposed to glean revelations about the Human Condition from that scene).
Neither show nor books make a big deal out of the sex and violence; so why should you?
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