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All's Well that ends WoL

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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
March 12 2013 02:06 GMT
#1
The Game

Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty was a momentous game. It was released at a time when I was the target audience(early teens) and as a result influenced my entire perspective on gaming.

Let's get this straight: Starcraft 2 was fun to watch. There's no denying it. The fact of the matter is that I am an HDstarcraft convert. Here is my noob flowchart of getting to the pinnacle of all internet discussion that is Teamliquid:

Buy Starcraft 2

Play Custom Games

Watch HDstarcraft

Play 1v1 and make one void ray and win

Watch H to the usky Husky

Watch Day9

Go on battlenet forums

Discover TL looking for guides

Never leave and frequent the site daily even if im too busy to follow the scene


As you can see, I'm an early adopter of SC2 only, and was only around for it's entire lifespan. No BW roots. So, I'd like to put forth my perspective on the storylines of WoL and it's impact on progaming as a whole.

Is balance whining good?
I still wonder, to this day, if Blizzard could of possibly balanced SC2 in a less boring way. Zerg as a race has destroyed the entertainment value of a large amount of games. But there are many many fun to view series that WoL will forever perpetuate in my heart for.

The Beta and Protosses
I'll keep this short and sweet.
Hongun: Void ray stalker rushes are badass.
MC: Being the god of war and fucking destroying everyone is badass.
San: On scrap station, pure blink stalker micro to wear down a zerg for minutes and minutes finally worked in GSL. I'm still inspired by that game.

MKP/MMA vs MVP
I was once much more naive about my gaming interests than I am now. The fact of the matter is, the era of GomTvT's was an era I could never get enough of. TvT is such a dynamic match up and truly watching Marineking's ridiculous style work against people and then fail was epic everytime and MVP's godly meching that was finally stopped by MMA....the nerdchills will never end.
This is an omage to
1. GomTvTs
2. Mech vs Bio
3. The Perfect Hierarchy of 2011 that was ruined in 2012.

DRG and the impending ruin of Starcraft
DRG was actually the best ever person. He came at a time when the only zergs in my mind were Losira and Nestea, and because I never followed GSTL he came out of nowhere. His epic skills were wonderful.
1. DRG somehow gave MKP the energy to be god.
2. PARTING VS MKP all those series were actually my favorite things to watch live ever, I was even there in MLG Columbus.
3. If you look at the finals that DRG won, he doesn't deserve it. Some games were Genius's but he executed terribly, and the final map was not a way for Genius to come back by any means. DRG showed prodigious skill, but in my mind his GSL championship is a farce.

The Queen Patch
No.

Zerg's lategame potential had yet to be unlocked fully, since TvZ was the BEST matchup ever(including snipe) and was constant pressure on one another.

Too many zergs. I could detail the rest of SC2 which does indeed have wonderful stories and I still enjoy watching most matchups, but zerg's dominance is and was too much.

The Elephant in the Room
People like to argue if this has been proved. If you want to present an objective opinion, it appears that people who were good at BW, especially kespa pros, are good at SC2. However, a large portion of esF lives. It can be said that BW players who were not the highest tier tend to have higher success in SC2 for some reason.

Where do we go from here?
I've encountered the complaints in the HOTS forum. Some things may not be balanced. But the prospect of reliving the balancing(BFH by slayers, thorzain's thors, mvp's snipes) is a wonderful one. The game is new and unexplored again, and much fun and epicness is to be had.

Blizzard has a second chance at balancing. I won't say they did it wrong in WoL, but the game itself suffered for their balancing. They have a second chance to create a balanced, fun game.

I believe they can do it(I have to) and I earnestly look forward to next month when my overbearing schedule frees up and I can watch Starcraft again.

So, as far as puns go, I love you teamlquid, you are an integral part of my life. We may have had a terrible game, we may have killed BW, but

All's well that ends WoL
-Bippzy

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#2
So true about the Zerg era. If only Blizz would have moved quicker on balance.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
March 12 2013 04:33 GMT
#3
sounds like you hate zerg as much as i hate terran, and share a lot of starcraft-history with me. To be honest the result of GomTvT was that i lost interest in the GSL, because TvT is a matchup with two terrans to much for me.

The race of problem imo is still toss, since their gameplay is just outright horrible. The stargate is a nice way to twist it a bit though.
low gravity, yes-yes!
PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
March 12 2013 05:26 GMT
#4
The Elephant in the Room
People like to argue if this has been proved. If you want to present an objective opinion, it appears that people who were good at BW, especially kespa pros, are good at SC2. However, a large portion of esF lives. It can be said that BW players who were not the highest tier tend to have higher success in SC2 for some reason.


This confuses the hell out of me. The writers and the mod squad trumpeted the hell out of the elephants, but then Bisu falls on his face, and Flash doesn't end up killing everybody. It ultimately ends with Roro playing Zerg and beating some generic eSF player, not some cataclysmic double-kespa duel to the death.
"There should be no tying a sharp, hard object to your cock like it has a mechanical arm and hitting it with the object or using your cockring to crack the egg. No cyborg penises allowed. 100% flesh only." - semioldguy
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 12 2013 06:03 GMT
#5
5/5 just for the title alone.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
March 12 2013 06:04 GMT
#6
On March 12 2013 15:03 ninazerg wrote:
5/5 just for the title alone.

o/

That pun's too good dude :D
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
March 12 2013 07:27 GMT
#7
I thought that the Ghost nerf was pretty significant for TvZ, it was the best counter against infestor broodlord.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12348 Posts
March 12 2013 14:30 GMT
#8
I don't know why most people think 2011 TvZ was so good. Ghost snipes made the game a T turtle behind tanks and PFs and go into mass ghosts and just kill whatever zerg can throw at them.
Zerg did roach ling baneling all in ALL THE TIME.
MMA vs DRG, I think 3 games at least were roach ling baneling all in.

It sure is better than what we had early to mid 2012 but it definitly wasn't the best era. Muta ling baneling was still the best.

Protoss imo, is the entertainment breaker of SC2. The fundermental issue of Forcefields and warp in are huge issues.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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