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Hello TL, i'm looking to start a web, but sadly my knowledge in this area are pretty limited. I purchased a domain in godaddy.com , they also offer hosting services, so my question is to support high traffic sites , like mmo-champion, curse.com, what kind of hosting is needed ?
I'm building a simple site which is kind of item finder, similar to ebay let's say, so as i understand it's gonna work a lot with access to different databases, pulling in and out information, search like engine. No video, no downloads, maybe simple message system with real time chat. What would you recommend for this ?
Just read http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2012/09/10/5-reasons-you-should-leave-godaddy-and-how/ and so probably gonna use different site now, the CEO killing an elephant is unacceptable.
Decided to go with https://www.gandi.net/, for domain registration. And http://www.ipage.com/ for hosting. Also looking into importance of http://dyn.com.
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Netherlands2398 Posts
I would start by learning HTML, PHP and MySQL.
HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language that structures webpages. You use it to divide information in paragraphs, define headers, add figures, etc... It is complemented by CSS (Cascading Style Sheets), which is a language that describes style (colour, size, font, etc...) of elements of the webpage.
PHP (PHP Hypertext Processor) is a scripting language. It is very widely used to create server-side scripts that make up dynamic webpages. These scripts take user input (if any) and combine it with database input, calculations, etc... to generate a webpage (in HTML) on the fly. TeamLiquid uses PHP for their website, as do many other large and small sites.
MySQL is a database system that allows you to easily store and query data. It is freely available on all platforms and has a good enough performance for all but the most extreme applications. There's a good interface between PHP and MySQL, allowing you to use PHP commands to query the database.
As for hosting, it doesn't really matter that much. Any hosting service that isn't too small will be able to host a growing website and scale up with the needs of the user. Small websites are hosted on machines with dozens of sites on them, with no access to programs running the background. Larger websites may run from a virtual server, meaning that the website owner can treat it as a separate machine for his site, allowing him to run specialized software in the background (perhaps for indexing purposes if it's a search-engine-type-website), but in reality there are still several of these virtual machines running on one physical machine, each virtual machine unaware of the presence of others. As you scale up, the website will use an entire physical machine and eventually may have to start adding additional servers. Really large websites have servers dedicated to specific tasks: Database, serving static content (images), generating dynamic content, caching, etc...
Start out small. You say you have very limited knowledge in this area, so it's best to just start with a very basic hosting account and build up your website. As the website grows, you can either expand the account or, if your hoster has limited options, switch alltogether. A properly executed hoster-switch hardly incurs any downtime.
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On December 18 2012 21:38 Rannasha wrote:
I would start by learning HTML, PHP and MySQL.
HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language that structures webpages. You use it to divide information in paragraphs, define headers, add figures, etc... It is complemented by CSS (Cascading Style Sheets), which is a language that describes style (colour, size, font, etc...) of elements of the webpage.
PHP (PHP Hypertext Processor) is a scripting language. It is very widely used to create server-side scripts that make up dynamic webpages. These scripts take user input (if any) and combine it with database input, calculations, etc... to generate a webpage (in HTML) on the fly. TeamLiquid uses PHP for their website, as do many other large and small sites.
MySQL is a database system that allows you to easily store and query data. It is freely available on all platforms and has a good enough performance for all but the most extreme applications. There's a good interface between PHP and MySQL, allowing you to use PHP commands to query the database.
As for hosting, it doesn't really matter that much. Any hosting service that isn't too small will be able to host a growing website and scale up with the needs of the user. Small websites are hosted on machines with dozens of sites on them, with no access to programs running the background. Larger websites may run from a virtual server, meaning that the website owner can treat it as a separate machine for his site, allowing him to run specialized software in the background (perhaps for indexing purposes if it's a search-engine-type-website), but in reality there are still several of these virtual machines running on one physical machine, each virtual machine unaware of the presence of others. As you scale up, the website will use an entire physical machine and eventually may have to start adding additional servers. Really large websites have servers dedicated to specific tasks: Database, serving static content (images), generating dynamic content, caching, etc...
Start out small. You say you have very limited knowledge in this area, so it's best to just start with a very basic hosting account and build up your website. As the website grows, you can either expand the account or, if your hoster has limited options, switch alltogether. A properly executed hoster-switch hardly incurs any downtime.
Couldn't imagine a better answer than this, thank you sir! The thing i fear is that as i start as a beginner, if the idea will work, anyone out there with better understanding of things in this area, who is able to provide high quality service doing basically the same, is gonna destroy me altogether ) But i guess that is another problem i need to look into  Thank you again!
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Javascript (not to be confused with Java) is also pretty important for the web, as is CSS. I'd say learn HTML before anything, then CSS. Then learn Javascript/PHP + MySQL... which is more important will depend very much on what you're actually going to try and do. If you need specific tips once you've got the basics down, visit the Big Programming Thread on TL, or one of the programming subreddits such as reddit.com/r/learnprogramming
I also would recommend against godaddy, purely because of their lack of support for net neutrality. Haven't shopped for hosting in a while so I can't help beyond recommending against godaddy.
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Netherlands2398 Posts
If you lack the technical skills to implement your idea yourself, you'll have to work together with someone who does have the tech-skills, but no projects to use them on. If you really have a good idea, you may even get a loan from a bank or some other investor for it to get the thing jumpstarted, but that's rather hard in todays economy and new internet-ideas being so common.
Either way, if you feel that your idea is really unique (do research, there are often sites that are very similar to what you're wanting to make, but they're just not that well known) and easy to copy once it's out there, you should wait with making it publicly available until it's fully operational. And even then, you shouldn't count on large traffic-volume in the first weeks or months, so don't overbudget your hosting too much. Instead, find a hoster that will migrate you to a larger hosting-plan if your needs grow.
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On December 18 2012 23:01 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Javascript (not to be confused with Java) is also pretty important for the web, as is CSS. I'd say learn HTML before anything, then CSS. Then learn Javascript/PHP + MySQL... which is more important will depend very much on what you're actually going to try and do. If you need specific tips once you've got the basics down, visit the Big Programming Thread on TL, or one of the programming subreddits such as reddit.com/r/learnprogramming
I also would recommend against godaddy, purely because of their lack of support for net neutrality. Haven't shopped for hosting in a while so I can't help beyond recommending against godaddy.
Thank you ) Godaddy was the fastest thing i found, but then looking closely on what people thing i found that they were in favor of pipa/sopa, on top of that they CEO posted a picture killing an elephant, that is just beyond disgusting.
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On December 18 2012 23:01 Rannasha wrote:
If you lack the technical skills to implement your idea yourself, you'll have to work together with someone who does have the tech-skills, but no projects to use them on. If you really have a good idea, you may even get a loan from a bank or some other investor for it to get the thing jumpstarted, but that's rather hard in todays economy and new internet-ideas being so common.
Either way, if you feel that your idea is really unique (do research, there are often sites that are very similar to what you're wanting to make, but they're just not that well known) and easy to copy once it's out there, you should wait with making it publicly available until it's fully operational. And even then, you shouldn't count on large traffic-volume in the first weeks or months, so don't overbudget your hosting too much. Instead, find a hoster that will migrate you to a larger hosting-plan if your needs grow.
I did searching for similar sites, and i found none, and it kinda surprised me since i been in that "business" for long time and it just hit me. Sadly i got no friends with such skills, and telling the idea to someone else with technical skills could just result in major mistake, they just can do it for themselves. So i just in a middle of nothing, trying to protect and to make. Thanks a lot for your insight, again!
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On December 18 2012 23:21 Greem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 23:01 Rannasha wrote:
If you lack the technical skills to implement your idea yourself, you'll have to work together with someone who does have the tech-skills, but no projects to use them on. If you really have a good idea, you may even get a loan from a bank or some other investor for it to get the thing jumpstarted, but that's rather hard in todays economy and new internet-ideas being so common.
Either way, if you feel that your idea is really unique (do research, there are often sites that are very similar to what you're wanting to make, but they're just not that well known) and easy to copy once it's out there, you should wait with making it publicly available until it's fully operational. And even then, you shouldn't count on large traffic-volume in the first weeks or months, so don't overbudget your hosting too much. Instead, find a hoster that will migrate you to a larger hosting-plan if your needs grow. I did searching for similar sites, and i found none, and it kinda surprised me since i been in that "business" for long time and it just hit me. Sadly i got no friends with such skills, and telling the idea to someone else with technical skills could just result in major mistake, they just can do it for themselves. So i just in a middle of nothing, trying to protect and to make. Thanks a lot for your insight, again!
It'll take you some time tho. Unless you have all day I guess it can take up to a year to learn how to properly make a website like this.
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If you dont know how to code Wordpress is a solid way to start.
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On December 18 2012 23:31 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 23:21 Greem wrote:On December 18 2012 23:01 Rannasha wrote:
If you lack the technical skills to implement your idea yourself, you'll have to work together with someone who does have the tech-skills, but no projects to use them on. If you really have a good idea, you may even get a loan from a bank or some other investor for it to get the thing jumpstarted, but that's rather hard in todays economy and new internet-ideas being so common.
Either way, if you feel that your idea is really unique (do research, there are often sites that are very similar to what you're wanting to make, but they're just not that well known) and easy to copy once it's out there, you should wait with making it publicly available until it's fully operational. And even then, you shouldn't count on large traffic-volume in the first weeks or months, so don't overbudget your hosting too much. Instead, find a hoster that will migrate you to a larger hosting-plan if your needs grow. I did searching for similar sites, and i found none, and it kinda surprised me since i been in that "business" for long time and it just hit me. Sadly i got no friends with such skills, and telling the idea to someone else with technical skills could just result in major mistake, they just can do it for themselves. So i just in a middle of nothing, trying to protect and to make. Thanks a lot for your insight, again! It'll take you some time tho. Unless you have all day I guess it can take up to a year to learn how to properly make a website like this.
I've got all day , and ye, i believe from 0 its gonna take painfully long period of time. But i'm up for it. I will edit this blog with every new thing i find and learn. Maybe someone else , sometime in the future will choke with the same obstacle.
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On December 18 2012 23:34 KillerSOS wrote:
If you dont know how to code Wordpress is a solid way to start.
I will look into it, thanks !
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Netherlands2398 Posts
Wordpress isn't really a good start if you want to make any form of interactive website. Wordpress is great for making a blog-like website, where you just add content as you go, but everything remains static. You don't really learn much from using Wordpress. It's excellent at quickly setting up a semi-static webpage with a decent CMS behind it, but if you want to go further than what it has to offer, you might as well skip it alltogether.
There's really no way to get around learning things like HTML, PHP, CSS, MySQL and JavaScript (and how much you need to know of each depends on your goals) if you want to make something like a search-engine.
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I just started learning html/css and you should probably do the same:
http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/htmlcss
They also have javascript but that's probably much less important for us new web designers than html/css. I'm about 65% done with the html/css section. After that I will probably play around with my new knowledge and possibly learn some php as was suggested earlier in this thread. Personally, I don't think I'll be needing mySQL any time soon.
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yea, if you do start with html, don't learn html only... css is pretty much indespensable in today's landscape.
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Just fyi, as far as server technologies go, there are many great alternatives to PHP, many that make getting started a lot easier. Django (a Python framework) is one of my favorites, but as you can see, there are a ton of frameworks just in Python alone: http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks
If you do want to go with PHP, after learning the basics of PHP I would really recommend picking up one of the PHP frameworks, as it will save you a massive amount of time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks#PHP_2.
Most of the frameworks basically take a lot of the boring work out of the web development, and let you get started on the meat of your web app right after getting them set up.
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for hosting I can highly suggest networksolutions.com
I think I got the basic package and already have alot of storage, unlimited traffic, a domain, and FTP/MySQL support
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I'd say stick with HTML5, CSS and javascript for as long as you can. Using a server side language such like PHP, ASP.NET, JSP, Python, Ruby etc lets you do powerful stuff, but you shouldn't learn these things "just to learn them", find a situation where you need them and go from there.
Depending on the site you're making, you might not even need javascript. HTML and CSS alone lets you make beautiful presentations of information. Javascript lets you make it a bit more dynamic... and with server side scripting/databases, you can start to make sites with a more "application feel" to them. One should, IMO, never use too much. If you want a site with some information and images etc, HTML and CSS will do just fine.
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after christmas im starting a learn html with css with 12-13 yr olds if you message me past han 7th ill link you to the lesson content and you can follow the resources and vid tutorials i make
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On December 18 2012 21:56 Greem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 21:38 Rannasha wrote:
I would start by learning HTML, PHP and MySQL.
HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language that structures webpages. You use it to divide information in paragraphs, define headers, add figures, etc... It is complemented by CSS (Cascading Style Sheets), which is a language that describes style (colour, size, font, etc...) of elements of the webpage.
PHP (PHP Hypertext Processor) is a scripting language. It is very widely used to create server-side scripts that make up dynamic webpages. These scripts take user input (if any) and combine it with database input, calculations, etc... to generate a webpage (in HTML) on the fly. TeamLiquid uses PHP for their website, as do many other large and small sites.
MySQL is a database system that allows you to easily store and query data. It is freely available on all platforms and has a good enough performance for all but the most extreme applications. There's a good interface between PHP and MySQL, allowing you to use PHP commands to query the database.
As for hosting, it doesn't really matter that much. Any hosting service that isn't too small will be able to host a growing website and scale up with the needs of the user. Small websites are hosted on machines with dozens of sites on them, with no access to programs running the background. Larger websites may run from a virtual server, meaning that the website owner can treat it as a separate machine for his site, allowing him to run specialized software in the background (perhaps for indexing purposes if it's a search-engine-type-website), but in reality there are still several of these virtual machines running on one physical machine, each virtual machine unaware of the presence of others. As you scale up, the website will use an entire physical machine and eventually may have to start adding additional servers. Really large websites have servers dedicated to specific tasks: Database, serving static content (images), generating dynamic content, caching, etc...
Start out small. You say you have very limited knowledge in this area, so it's best to just start with a very basic hosting account and build up your website. As the website grows, you can either expand the account or, if your hoster has limited options, switch alltogether. A properly executed hoster-switch hardly incurs any downtime. Couldn't imagine a better answer than this, thank you sir! The thing i fear is that as i start as a beginner, if the idea will work, anyone out there with better understanding of things in this area, who is able to provide high quality service doing basically the same, is gonna destroy me altogether ) But i guess that is another problem i need to look into Thank you again!
There's a really good Sitepoint book called "PHP & MySQL: Novice To Ninja" that goes into a lot of this stuff.
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