• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:48
CEST 23:48
KST 06:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow1[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy5GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
JD's Ro24 review The Korean Terminology Thread so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2861 users

Estimating the average skill gap in code A

Blogs > TheBB
Post a Reply
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 16:04:38
November 12 2012 15:44 GMT
#1
This bit of number crunching was inspired by this question. Why is a best of 3 always more likely to end in a 2-0 to the better player, than a 2-1?

From now we will be working under the assumption that the better player has a probability p of winning any single game, and the worse player has probability 1-p. Of course p ≥ 0.5, and the games are assumed to be independent.

(By the way, the answer to the original question is here.)

Thus, the relevant probabilities are:
  • 2-0 for better player: p²
  • 2-1 for better player: 2p²(1-p)
  • 2-1 for worse player: 2p(1-p)²
  • 2-0 for worse player: (1-p)²
Thus we expect a ratio

      [p²+(1-p)²] / [2p²(1-p) + 2p(1-p)²]

of matches ending 2-0 to matches ending 2-1. If we write q = 2p(1-p), we find that the above ratio can be expressed as

      (1+q)/q = K

So I went through the last five seasons of code A. There are 52 matches per season, but there were four walkovers, so I looked at 256 games in total. Of those, there were 101 2-1's and 155 2-0's. Thus we have our estimate for K:

      K = 155/101 = 1.5347.

Solving the equation for q, we find

      q = 1/(K+1) = 0.39453.

To find p, write p = 0.5 + r. Then we get q/2 = p(1-p) = 0.25 - r², or in other words

      r = sqrt[0.25 - q/2] = 0.22964,

so

      p = 0.72964.

What does this mean in practical terms? In an average code A match, the better player is so much better that he has about 73% to win a single game over his unfortunate opponent.

Let's translate this to a rating gap. With a rating gap D, we have

      p = 1/(1+10^(-D/400))

or

      D = -400 log(1/p-1) = 172.47.

So the average skill gap in code A is a whooping 172 points! That's quite a lot.

Disclaimer: I know this is back-of-the-napkin maths and I've pretty much disregarded all nonlinear effects. "Average" here does not mean "mean."

Edit: Did the same for code S.

      K = 124/116 = 1.069

      p = 0.591287

      D = 64.152

As you can see, it seems a lot closer.

****
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 12 2012 15:50 GMT
#2
Great! BTW, you might want check out a lot of work Bill James did on baseball.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
November 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#3
Huh, thats super interesting, great blog post, thanks
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
November 13 2012 15:07 GMT
#4
I just did the computation. Then I looked at your post. Couldn't do better
Thanks a lot, very interesting stuff.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 13 2012 19:48 GMT
#5
And they said you'd never need math in the real world... :D
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
November 13 2012 20:34 GMT
#6
On November 14 2012 04:48 Najda wrote:
And they said you'd never need math in the real world... :D


You wouldn't be able to type that post without some of the greatest math wizards in the world. Math really is underappreciated
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group B
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
ZZZero.O209
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 303
ROOTCatZ 61
CosmosSc2 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 14902
ZZZero.O 209
Dewaltoss 95
Dota 2
canceldota130
League of Legends
JimRising 360
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps3131
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King62
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor187
Other Games
gofns14883
summit1g13859
tarik_tv7000
Grubby3177
Liquid`RaSZi2055
Liquid`Hasu214
C9.Mang046
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick858
Counter-Strike
PGL442
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 50
• davetesta4
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach98
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3614
Other Games
• Scarra1443
• imaqtpie1400
• Shiphtur277
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 12m
Wardi Open
12h 12m
Afreeca Starleague
12h 12m
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
18h 12m
OSC
1d 2h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 12h
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 12h
GSL
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Escore
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
IPSL
5 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.