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On November 13 2012 23:40 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 21:32 Smancer wrote:
I really enjoyed this. There is a lot that is similar to my own situation. I stopped playing SC2 a few months ago, and started playing LoL. Back in WC3 TFT I played a lot of DotA. I really enjoyed it, so I thought I would go for LoL because it is free.
Personally I like that there is no deny.
I am curious to try DotA 2. All the heroes you mentioned are very familiar. I think my memory of heros and items would come back to me fairly quickly. I am going to check out som VoDs.
How does DotA 2 work in compared to LoL in terms of what you have to buy? I know in LoL, I don't have to buy anything. I am unlocking heroes with IP and I probably won't spend any money on skins. But what is the model with DotA? I can't imagine they have skins, but what about masetries or rune pages did they add anything like that?
Anyway great read, GJ Gheed. In Dota 2, you don't need to buy anything. The only thing you can pay for is cosmetic (unlike LoL where you can buy heroes, xp boosts etc). Heroes in Dota 2 do not have skins, instead, you buy gear for them. A new Axe for Axe, a new cape for Invoker, a new haircut for Drow Ranger, that kind of stuff. You also don't NEED to buy cosmetic items, there's a chance of them dropping after every MM game.
Yeah essentially you absolutely can not buy power nor can you unlock power by playing the game a lot. The only power in DotA 2 is your skill, and the skill of the other four people...
Add different announcer voices, courier skins, ward skins and whatever they come up with in the future to the cosmetic stuff but "cosmetic" stuff is all you can buy. And even those you can unlock without money if you play and trade a lot.
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Ahh, MMR hell in a different game this time! Just as amusing as SC2's noobs :D
Glad you gave Dota 2 a shot. I've only ever played Hon and Dota 2, never even attempted LoL, so do you think it would be worth it for me to try it to check out the other perspective?
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Happy to hear you're enjoying it! As a 'hardcore' dota player, I've actually thought a fair amount about trying LoL, and I've tried watching it with mixed results, but I really get turned off by the whole rune/mastery/hero unlock system where playing/paying more makes you directly stronger, instead of just making you better at the game.
It's also amusing to me how directly you hit on so many of DotA players' common pet peeves here (Russians, for example). Is that deliberate, or incidental?
Anyway, great blog as usual, and as a few others have said, I have some extra keys if you need 'em. Got something like four new ones this week, and only gave out one so far.
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I played with some of my really new friends yesterday, so I understand how stupid low level dota is. One game I went 39 and 3 with tiny so the next game I played dk and didn't attack anyone the whole game unless I was about to die. I got 2 kills in laning phase from the CM dying to my creeps/tower, and midgame I told her not to attack me becasue im a scary dragon with 4x her hp. She didn't listen to me so I had to kill her too =( Its hard to take dota seriously when you can nuke someone 3x in 1 minute and kill them in lane.
I hope you get to the point where you can have decent games of dota (play with friends)! It gets a little better as you get higher in matchmaking, although sometimes it doesn't feel like that.
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Just started dota2 myself, this whole 'actually enthusiastic about searching for matches' thing is a weird feeling.
I had one advantage - people I knew already who played, so at least 1 person on the team won't be completely terrible, even if I am.
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On November 10 2012 13:52 JFKWT wrote:
Nice post =). Am I the only one who saw that Centaur bought 2x boots...
He has 3 boots actually lol, 2 normal ones and a tranquil.
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On November 14 2012 01:36 Meta wrote:
Ahh, MMR hell in a different game this time! Just as amusing as SC2's noobs :D
Glad you gave Dota 2 a shot. I've only ever played Hon and Dota 2, never even attempted LoL, so do you think it would be worth it for me to try it to check out the other perspective?
Same here, only played DotA/HoN/DotA 2. Is it worth trying to get into LoL? I've played 1-2 games just to try it out but never got farther than that
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I wouldn't recommend getting into LoL unless you have friends to play with. Leveling up an account and unlocking runes/champs is a huge pain. Especially because most of the low level people are either a., the dumbest people you'll ever meet, b., smurfs who just want to roflstomp noobs, c., trolls who got banned and are making new accounts, and d., legitimately new players with d seemingly being the least represented. Not to mention the game is just plain shittier at lower levels; you don't have runes or masteries so jungling is difficult/impossible except on a few champions, last hitting is harder on every champion because you're starting out the game with 10 less attack damage, and with no mana regen runes/masteries, mana reliant AP champions suck to play.
If my level 30 account disappeared I'd probably never play again. I like the game still, but without a friend playing with me for the first 20 or so levels (which took weeks) I would have never gotten started.
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Nooo don't leave SC2 Gheed... I miss your blogs too much already 
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On November 10 2012 11:06 Gheed wrote:
From the LoL community, I had heard people bemoaning the complexity of Dota 2, throwing around scary sounding terms like "creep stacking" or "suicide lanes." From the way some people portrayed it, I imagined I would have to memorize and perform innumerable ritual arcana just to play the game without being constantly called a noob and made to feel terrible about myself. Dota 2 was made to sound cult-like and impossibly vague to outsiders.
This made me smile. There are some injokes about heroes that require a "burden of knowledge" or that are "antifun". Both phrases used often in conjunction, often aimed at Invoker and Anti Mage.
Love your blogs in general, especially the Bronze League Adventure.
Don´t let the vocal people get to you. There is a lot of overcompensation with all the going around and stating opinions about Dota as facts and stuff. At least that´s my view on the whole "YOUR GAME IS INFERIOR, CASUAL" shtick. Typical internet stuff if you ask me. At least I hope it is just a vocal (and angry) minority thing. I wouldn´t want to play the game as that kind of human beings, but then again I managed to play 500 hours of Call of Duty before putting it away forever.
Going on a tangent here. I think Dota is much less definite than other games. There is no "right" way to play the game. In SC2 and(I´ve been told) LoL there is an agreed way to play the game, with guidelines and a certainty to whether a play is right or wrong. LoL has the Tribunal after all, something which I can´t fathom actually exists(For various reasons I´m not gonna explain)
SC2 has a metagame, as we all know. If you scout something, there is a correct reaction to it.
In Dota, there have been plays that sound retarded on paper but still worked, like putting 5 on the same lane or dying to roshan lvl 1 on purpose.
End of tangent.
Keep on ballin Gheed.
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Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all of the great blogs. You have a great way with words and I never find myself bored when reading them. Keep up the good work!
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On December 06 2012 15:10 Mataza wrote:
This made me smile. There are some injokes about heroes that require a "burden of knowledge" or that are "antifun". Both phrases used often in conjunction, often aimed at Invoker and Anti Mage.
They're such silly terms though, especially since burden of knowledge was directed at blood seeker's ulti as well.
Anti-fun became a joke as well, which is why it's anti-mages 'nom de guerre' 
Also, this blog was a great read.
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On December 06 2012 18:36 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 15:10 Mataza wrote:
This made me smile. There are some injokes about heroes that require a "burden of knowledge" or that are "antifun". Both phrases used often in conjunction, often aimed at Invoker and Anti Mage.
They're such silly terms though, especially since burden of knowledge was directed at blood seeker's ulti as well. Anti-fun became a joke as well, which is why it's anti-mages 'nom de guerre' Also, this blog was a great read.
That´s the joke, at least to me.
"Burden of knowledge", you have to know what the enemy hero does and can do to react properly. It has a nice ring to it though and I´m a sucker for this kind of humor.
I wonder if Gheed will write another blog about a game soon. I like his game related blogs the most.
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Just seeing this blog now. Bit of a shame that Gheed's SC2 quest is over, but reading about DoTA might just be enough for me to start playing it. I tried one game and failed miserably at it and was discouraged, but after this I might give it another go.
Wouldn't mind reading Gheed's final thoughts on all things starcraft though...
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I played one game of DotA 2 and threw in the towel after that. Is there a training/introductory mode that I completely missed? Because the first game I played was filled with zero fun - I spent the whole game waiting to leave. Those 50 minutes killed the desire I had to play the game. Might as well keep playing and enjoying (LoL) rather than this CF which may be fun once you get to know it, but gives no indication to the uninitiated.
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Pissed myself laughing at the noob who didnt skill / buy then afked in the middle for 5 minutes. Good times!
5/5
One of my allies bought no items, trained no abilities, ran down the lane into enemies and towers, died, and repeated this process several times before eventually just sitting in the middle of the map for 5 minutes, evidently contemplating just how exactly he had ended up in this bizarre corner of the internet, and then finally leaving the game. Now, from that description it may sound like he was trolling, but he never said anything, and everything he did had the clear markers of someone who had no idea what they were doing.
Fucking gold xD
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Fantastic blog as usual, I would definitely be one of those who would read your 10k word blog, I've found your style of writing to be incredibly entertaining so I would get a cuppa and sit down to read it without a second though. The picture you paint of DotA is a fairly accurate one, I've been trying to teach friends to play for quite a while, but many are put off by what they've heard from various sources, the reasons being that which you describe. Look forward to reading your next blog!
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Good god do I hope you make a Bronze League is hell blog series with DotA as you did with SC2 once.
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