EPTUnfortunately it becomes more difficult to rank the players since results on TLPD are missing more and more. I am looking at sc2charts.net already but there isnt everything listed either. If anyone has another database, please inform me.
KalWarkovs Foreigner Top30 November: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=378632
Introduction
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There is always a lot of discussion who the best SC2 players are. Some automated ELO rankings like TLPD (or sc2charts.net) provide an idea but are not satisfying. Based on KalWarkov`s Top30 Foreigner Ranking, I present you my Top30 Koreans.
The players should be ranked by their current overall skill.
To judge this, obviously recent results count more, but a GSL win doesnt put you on #1 automically and an established player who is slumping a bit won't fall too far.
I hope we can get a nice discussion going like in the other thread. I will regard your opinions for the next ranking. Please consider that the skill-gaps are pretty small and there is no real difference between 3-4 places (especially in the lower part).
I could give explanations why I placed the players in this order but I guess I wait for your critics.
The players should be ranked by their current overall skill.
To judge this, obviously recent results count more, but a GSL win doesnt put you on #1 automically and an established player who is slumping a bit won't fall too far.
I hope we can get a nice discussion going like in the other thread. I will regard your opinions for the next ranking. Please consider that the skill-gaps are pretty small and there is no real difference between 3-4 places (especially in the lower part).
I could give explanations why I placed the players in this order but I guess I wait for your critics.
Ranking
1. (+2)
By.Rain (SKT)2. (+10)
Life (Startale)3. (+7)
MVP (IM)4. (+13)
PartinG (Startale)5. (-3)
Seed (IM)6. (-5)
TaeJa (Liquid)7. (0)
DongRaeGu (MVP)8. (0)
Symbol (TSL)9. (+4)
Leenock (FXO)10. (-4)
MarineKing (Prime)11. (-2)
Creator (Prime)12. (-8)
MC (SK)13. (+3)
Curious (Startale)14. (-9)
Squirtle (Startale)15. (-4)
YongHwa (IM)16. (+6)
HyuN (TSL)17. (+4)
Polt (TSL)18. (+9)
Sniper (MVP)19. (-4)
Byun (Prime)20. (-1)
RorO (Khan)21. (-7)
HerO (Liquid)22. (*)
Neo.G_Soulkey (Stars)23. (*)
sHy (Stars)24. (*)
Hack (Startale)25. (*)
Bogus (STX)26. (+2)
Flash (KT)27. (-7)
herO[jOin] (CJ)28. (*)
YoDa (IM)29. (-6)
Jjakji (NS HoSeo)30. (*)
n.Die_soO (SKT)Dropped out: NesTea (IM), MMA, Coca, First (IM), Happy (IM), GuMiho (FXO)
Close but no cigar: Ryung (Axiom), Keen (MvP), Vampire (MvP), aLive (Fnatic), Oz (Fnatic), Alicia (Slayers), viOlet (Azubu), Supernova (mtw), JYP (EG), Last (STX), finale (MVP), BaBy (Team 8), hyvaa (STX), Bbyong (CJ), Bomber (Startale), Nestea (IM), MMA, First(IM), Happy (IM), Gumiho (FXO)
Teams: Startale 5, IM 4, Prime 3, TSL 3, Liquid 2, MVP 2, Stars 2, SKT 2, FXO 1, NsHoseo 1, SK 1, Khan 1, CJ 1, KT 1, STX 1
Explanations on changes
- Life and By.Rain are the big winners this month - they are clearly top2 for me with Life making a big leap from 12th place. Rain, winning WCS Asia and OSL, and narrowly losing to MVP in the GSL semis, clinches the top spot for me. Really sad that he forfeited his Code S spot now.
- MVP gets #3. I already bumped him up a bit because you disagreed so heavily with his placement. He is still pretty inconsistent when it comes to short tournaments (like World esports masters where he went 0-2), but when it comes to GSL (and OSL) he somehow always does it.
- #4 goes to the silent hero of the month: Parting, advancing 13 spots. He placed second in WCS Asia, he allkilled Prime in IPTL and IM in GSTL and last week won his Code S group. He may lack a bit results against the really top players but the consistency that he beat the other with has been astonishing.
- Taeja had a really bad month, but I decided to not drop him further than #6, his results this year have been amazing and I am sure he will catch up again. He only loses another spot to Seed who did so-so in WCS Asia and requalified for Code S.
- DRG then stays at #7 despite making the OSL finals I still feel his route there (MC, Oz) wasnt really difficult and I placed DRG highly already before. In GSL he lost in Code A to Roro but then requalified.
- Symbol lost to MVP in GSL but now won his Code S group again and came as the ace in GSTL for TSL to finish off Prime and FXO.
- Another winner this month is Leenock. I didnt value his last MLG win highly cause he didnt beat any Code S players. Now he is doing well again (Day 2 MLG Dallas is finished as I am writing this) and beating By.Rain in a effectively Bo7 extended series is quite an accomplishment. He also could win the World e-sports masters.
- How far will MC/Squirtle/MKP fall? MKP not too much. Losing to Life isnt too bad and going 1-2 at World esports masters, shouldnt be punished too hard.
- Creator finally makes Code S, but rather disappointed in WCS. He moves down only a bit.
- Finally MC. He still beat Flying and Last this month and 2-2 in up&downs is not horribad. But overall he really doesnt look good and he just lost to Moonglade in MLG.
- Curious is another silent hero. He never gets a lot of attention for winning his Code S groups.
- Now finally Squirtle. He won his Code A match, but disappointed in WCS and lost to foreigners (monchi, Sortof) in Iesf and ESWC.
- Hyun continues his IPL Fight Club reign and also made Code S and could advance there (profiting from Rains forfeit). But he still doesnt look too powerful in live play, losing to Vampire and Yoda.
- Polt is another TSL guy doing well. He dominates NASL against inferior competition and also could advance in Code S.
- Sniper is another strong player not really in the spotlight. He is definitely is THE best teamleague player in 2012 just coming off an allkill of Slayers. He beat Sirius and Keen to directly qualify for Code S where his matches are yet to come.
- 2 new Kespa players are coming from Woongjin Stars. sOs doesnt have a lot of results. He just keeps winning his GSL matches. Soulkey was one of the early hyped stars and finally he has some success in GSL and the MLG vs Proleague tournament. Currently at MLG Dallas he is not looking too good though.
- Other additions include Kespa players Bogus (dominating Code A), soO (winning MLGvsProleague) as well as Hack and YoDa who could qualify for Code S and advance there.
Teams: 3 IM players (Nestea, Happy, First) dropping out, but YoDa making a reentry. With MMA and Coca the 2 last former Slayers players are dropping out. They were dominating the ranking some months ago. The new 'star team' is Startale, the addition of Hack gives them 5 players in the top30. Kespa is making a stronger presence with 4 new players and now 8 total.
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He made 2nd place at GSL, beating out #1 on your ranking (Rain) and losing by the slimmest of margins to #2 on your ranking (Life), both of whom look amazing so far. Even though Mvp doesn't really have that "WOW factor" that makes you believe he will roll through everyone, and that's largely because he does not roll through everyone (see WEM), he really knows how to get it done and stay at the top.
