• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:46
CET 22:46
KST 06:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada3SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1809 users

My view on "The sky is falling"

Blogs > falcodevil
Post a Reply
falcodevil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 18:55:00
October 24 2012 18:49 GMT
#1
**EDIT** Moved to blog, sorry about confusion/wrong forum



I just watched last nights episode of ITG as i didn't have time yesterday. I just thought to myself "what are people thinking". It seems to me that everyone is so worried about getting "new" or more "casual" players to play SC2 to make it "grow", as it does help the game, its not exactly what we need as a community to grow the game.

To be honest all that does is increase blizzards check book. What we need as a community is to get more people to WATCH SC2. The viewership is what brings the money to the tournaments and sponsors because they consume the sponsored products and view the sport.

Everyone is absolutely going about this the wrong way and needs to focus on attracting peoples eyes to watching the sport. DjWheat made the comment about Breaking Bad and American Idol. American Idol is way more successful! however not everyone is singing are they? No! its just entertainment and people enjoy it!

I do not feel that sc2 is hurt on viewership at all and everything will just break down to bring more eyeballs to the sport. How we go about that is what should be up for discussion, not whether blizzard can fix everything themselves. The bottom line is pros will play the game regardless and we as a community need to tune in to help the growth or sustain the sport.

Everyone can argue that the game needs to be fixed. Yes there is issues that need to be looked at, however that is the opposite point of the game possibly being dead. Most of the imbalance issues really appeal to the pros who play the game, as it affects them drastically more than the casuals. This does bring to issue that it can possibly hurt viewership, but that is also determined by the knowledge of the viewer and lets face it not every viewer sees or knows these things are happening right in front of them.

We can do a better job at making the game more understandable to the audience so that people can actually process those quick vital actions taken by pros that means a great swing in the match up. Some tournaments/streams/shows started this about a year ago but I really haven't seen this touched up on or improved upon.

We should all step back and think just for a moment that the possible "doubt" you may have about the game was created by your own view on how you perceive other games succeeding in areas we are not. Easy to understand content will bring better numbers. No matter how you look at all this talk or drama about the sky falling, your all talking about numbers. Djwheat was right on this show that this is what everything is about. Growth is about numbers. Sustainability is about numbers.

I'm have not studied business but I am aware how some of this money is moved just by doing some simple research which is available to everyone. If you took the time to read this thank you very much! If you would like to comment back or leave one please do so.

MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 24 2012 19:29 GMT
#2
All this falling skies are self fulfilling prophecies. The leagues are still going, and expansion will come, the tournament stream numbers are still good. Who cares if another game has more viewers, as long as the industry can still sustain. Both can co-exist, and anyway both are compatible and I'd even say both are good for each other, because ESPORTS is still a thing that people have interest in and a lot of people like watching games, any games and all games.
I still got my daily GSL dose, and that's all I need to be happy. I don't care if some popular streamers aren't popular enough anymore, especially the one I have in mind xD
falcodevil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15 Posts
October 24 2012 19:31 GMT
#3
On October 25 2012 04:29 MrCon wrote:
All this falling skies are self fulfilling prophecies. The leagues are still going, and expansion will come, the tournament stream numbers are still good. Who cares if another game has more viewers, as long as the industry can still sustain. Both can co-exist, and anyway both are compatible and I'd even say both are good for each other, because ESPORTS is still a thing that people have interest in and a lot of people like watching games, any games and all games.
I still got my daily GSL dose, and that's all I need to be happy. I don't care if some popular streamers aren't popular enough anymore, especially the one I have in mind xD


i agree, we can coexist with any other game out there. i don't feel SC2 is threatened at all. i stated i feel our viewership is fine but if people want to make it grow its about the viewership
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
October 24 2012 19:33 GMT
#4
I am a casual player. I left SC2 a month or two ago. I think I am like a lot of people. I like Blizzard games, I have played D2, War3, WoW and of course SC2.

I also play a lot of other games, TL2 or whatever is popular on Steam. PS3 games, etc.

There are a lot of choices for a casual gamer. I got into SC2 when it came out. I loved the community, I liked watching the games on twitch. I even paid for the first season of NASL.

But alas, my attention is elsewhere now.

I think of all the games I played War 3 has been the most similar to sc2. Because it was made by blizzard and of course it was RTS. Some of the things that kept me around so long in the War 3 scene were 1) the custom maps, 2) the clan channels I could visit, and 3) there were no leagues, just records, and if you didn't like the one you had, you could just create a new account.

The custom maps in SC2 are ok, but not great. I am not a map maker, I just consume them. Burb TD, Peon wars, and DotA custom games just seemed better in War 3.

There really is no excuse as to why the SC2 game isn't focused around Channels. In War 3 you new where to go to hang out. I have nowhere in SC2. I can't just chill in a Team Liquid Clan channel where there may be some TL players. IN War 3 I could hang out in channels where there were who I thought were godly players.

Trivia. It seems so stupid, but it game me something to do while hanging out. I had a channel for trivia, a channel for clans, a channel for my buddies, a channel for everything. The community and where to interact with others was IN THE GAME. It was not on Team liquid, or on Twitch TV, or on Skype. Everything was in game. The decentralized community of SC2 might just be a problem.

And finally. I am a casual. I am not a pro. I know 99% of Team Liquid forum posters are GMs. But I am not. I was just a plat protoss player that played about 7 games a week on average.

And you know what? right now I don't like my account. I want to start another one. And I would too if I could. I would probably come back right now if Blizzard added the functionality to start as many account names as you want. No pressure at all.

GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PLEASURE NOT PRESSURE.

Give me an account I can cheese on. That I can 4v4 on, that I don't care about. Then I will play. Scrap the whole league system. I don't want to be a plat player. War 3 was perfect. It showed your record with each race, and each type of game. No league. That's what I want. Then when I am like everyone else that is 500, I will feel better about the game, and myself.
A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
October 24 2012 20:10 GMT
#5
I thought this blog was gonna be about Asterix
RIP KT.Violet
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
October 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#6
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2012 04:33 Smancer wrote:
I am a casual player. I left SC2 a month or two ago. I think I am like a lot of people. I like Blizzard games, I have played D2, War3, WoW and of course SC2.

I also play a lot of other games, TL2 or whatever is popular on Steam. PS3 games, etc.

There are a lot of choices for a casual gamer. I got into SC2 when it came out. I loved the community, I liked watching the games on twitch. I even paid for the first season of NASL.

But alas, my attention is elsewhere now.

I think of all the games I played War 3 has been the most similar to sc2. Because it was made by blizzard and of course it was RTS. Some of the things that kept me around so long in the War 3 scene were 1) the custom maps, 2) the clan channels I could visit, and 3) there were no leagues, just records, and if you didn't like the one you had, you could just create a new account.

The custom maps in SC2 are ok, but not great. I am not a map maker, I just consume them. Burb TD, Peon wars, and DotA custom games just seemed better in War 3.

There really is no excuse as to why the SC2 game isn't focused around Channels. In War 3 you new where to go to hang out. I have nowhere in SC2. I can't just chill in a Team Liquid Clan channel where there may be some TL players. IN War 3 I could hang out in channels where there were who I thought were godly players.

Trivia. It seems so stupid, but it game me something to do while hanging out. I had a channel for trivia, a channel for clans, a channel for my buddies, a channel for everything. The community and where to interact with others was IN THE GAME. It was not on Team liquid, or on Twitch TV, or on Skype. Everything was in game. The decentralized community of SC2 might just be a problem.

And finally. I am a casual. I am not a pro. I know 99% of Team Liquid forum posters are GMs. But I am not. I was just a plat protoss player that played about 7 games a week on average.

And you know what? right now I don't like my account. I want to start another one. And I would too if I could. I would probably come back right now if Blizzard added the functionality to start as many account names as you want. No pressure at all.

GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PLEASURE NOT PRESSURE.

Give me an account I can cheese on. That I can 4v4 on, that I don't care about. Then I will play. Scrap the whole league system. I don't want to be a plat player. War 3 was perfect. It showed your record with each race, and each type of game. No league. That's what I want. Then when I am like everyone else that is 500, I will feel better about the game, and myself.


Well said, and I agree with all your point, but I don't think it addresses the blogger's main point. He's saying that we as a community should tune in to help support, regardless of whether or not we play the game or not. However, I think this is where the error lies. The community of a game are the people who are engaged and active with the game, and still have some interest in it. But although TL is a community created for Starcraft(BW) at first, now it's dedicated to progaming news in general. In fact, a lot of people on TL come for the forums, and don't play SCII at all. People have just lost interest in the game, because for some it just isn't that fun to watch anymore. What can we do when people don't watch or play because of that?
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
falcodevil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15 Posts
October 24 2012 21:24 GMT
#7
On October 25 2012 05:31 EienShinwa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2012 04:33 Smancer wrote:
I am a casual player. I left SC2 a month or two ago. I think I am like a lot of people. I like Blizzard games, I have played D2, War3, WoW and of course SC2.

I also play a lot of other games, TL2 or whatever is popular on Steam. PS3 games, etc.

There are a lot of choices for a casual gamer. I got into SC2 when it came out. I loved the community, I liked watching the games on twitch. I even paid for the first season of NASL.

But alas, my attention is elsewhere now.

I think of all the games I played War 3 has been the most similar to sc2. Because it was made by blizzard and of course it was RTS. Some of the things that kept me around so long in the War 3 scene were 1) the custom maps, 2) the clan channels I could visit, and 3) there were no leagues, just records, and if you didn't like the one you had, you could just create a new account.

The custom maps in SC2 are ok, but not great. I am not a map maker, I just consume them. Burb TD, Peon wars, and DotA custom games just seemed better in War 3.

There really is no excuse as to why the SC2 game isn't focused around Channels. In War 3 you new where to go to hang out. I have nowhere in SC2. I can't just chill in a Team Liquid Clan channel where there may be some TL players. IN War 3 I could hang out in channels where there were who I thought were godly players.

Trivia. It seems so stupid, but it game me something to do while hanging out. I had a channel for trivia, a channel for clans, a channel for my buddies, a channel for everything. The community and where to interact with others was IN THE GAME. It was not on Team liquid, or on Twitch TV, or on Skype. Everything was in game. The decentralized community of SC2 might just be a problem.

And finally. I am a casual. I am not a pro. I know 99% of Team Liquid forum posters are GMs. But I am not. I was just a plat protoss player that played about 7 games a week on average.

And you know what? right now I don't like my account. I want to start another one. And I would too if I could. I would probably come back right now if Blizzard added the functionality to start as many account names as you want. No pressure at all.

GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PLEASURE NOT PRESSURE.

Give me an account I can cheese on. That I can 4v4 on, that I don't care about. Then I will play. Scrap the whole league system. I don't want to be a plat player. War 3 was perfect. It showed your record with each race, and each type of game. No league. That's what I want. Then when I am like everyone else that is 500, I will feel better about the game, and myself.


Well said, and I agree with all your point, but I don't think it addresses the blogger's main point. He's saying that we as a community should tune in to help support, regardless of whether or not we play the game or not. However, I think this is where the error lies. The community of a game are the people who are engaged and active with the game, and still have some interest in it. But although TL is a community created for Starcraft(BW) at first, now it's dedicated to progaming news in general. In fact, a lot of people on TL come for the forums, and don't play SCII at all. People have just lost interest in the game, because for some it just isn't that fun to watch anymore. What can we do when people don't watch or play because of that?



this is another point to make and to discuss. thank you for bringing this up. we need to acknowledge current viewers and new/old ones however i do think that in some time you may give it a chance to watch some more games here and there. which isn't bad and is still supporting everything no one is meant to watch 100% of the time
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 329
JuggernautJason191
ProTech107
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2716
Shuttle 615
Dota 2
Dendi1231
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps975
Foxcn184
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu508
Other Games
summit1g7006
Grubby5076
Beastyqt732
fl0m479
shahzam304
Skadoodle158
C9.Mang066
Maynarde29
fpsfer 2
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 23
• musti20045 18
• Dystopia_ 5
• Adnapsc2 3
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 29
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2840
• TFBlade1137
Other Games
• WagamamaTV468
• Shiphtur258
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 14m
Replay Cast
11h 14m
OSC
13h 44m
Kung Fu Cup
14h 14m
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 1h
The PondCast
1d 12h
RSL Revival
1d 12h
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
1d 14h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 14h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IPSL
3 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
3 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
4 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.