• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:09
CEST 17:09
KST 00:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Updates to The Core/Core Lite for v5.0.16?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL CK #4 20-21th June Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ VPN experiences Data needed vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Beyond All Reason Total War: Warhammer 40K
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13722 users

Hellbats are sick, and hots in general.

Blogs > BoggieMan
Post a Reply
BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
October 23 2012 13:35 GMT
#1
stuff about me:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have played sc2 since 2011ish, and is currently masters league on eu.


Hellbats...
They deal 2 more damage against non-light units compared to standard hellions and have lower attack cooldown, they have 135 hp and splash attack... AND THEY COST 100 MINERALS.

I agree that they lack creativity, since they are indeed just... a firebat in disguise.

However while all you other guys whine about it, i will go ahead and own some newbies with these op fellas.

Ok, maybe they are a bit handicapped in mobility and attack range, however that is the reason why you need tanks with them. Tanks outrange everything, and force your opponent to let the battlehellions get close, in an attempt to kill the tanks.

Also, while i am at blogging i would like to say a word or two about how it is playing hots atm.

I got GM 3 days ago after beating a goldleague player (lol), since the amount of players in hots is so low and mmr haven't kinda setled, rank dosen't mean anything and you meet everyone from bronze to gm, until you get kinda highish into masters, and you will meet people that were dia-gm in wol.

Since i play terran i will mostly focus on those matchups, however i tried offracing some in hots aswell.

TvZ is a bit silly, however most of the games i have played is just kinda standard tvz without anyone using the new units. Widow mines makes terrans defensive early game insane, and offers some aggression aswell. Early roach attacks are easily countered if scouted.

Widowmine rushes were stupidly op the first month, but it feels like good players know exactly how to deal with it now.

Also i hope they do something to swarmhosts soonish, because 2 base swarmhostallins force terran into a specific techpath of mech/air in the earlygame, since bio is so bad against it. I have made it work with a huge bunkerwall and mass drops, however it just seems silly when i can do tanks instead.

I have also tried out some silly builds that were not possible in wol. For example mass widowmine into quick 4 bases into mass bc in tvz. its kinda silly, and stupidly overpowered right now since zerg cannot punish your greed.

In TvT noone does bio anymore it feels like. Both sides mass widowmines and take 3-4 quickbases into mech. Everyone opens with early aggression of some sort, since widowmine drops and the new reapers are kinda sick. I would not mind if blizzard removed the widowmine for the sake of tvt - bio isen't viable anymore, and its just a big game of minesweeper.

TvP i tried to mech but failed horrible, i am gonna steal morrows build soonish.
Other than that i have played some horrible tvps where i won with 10 min medvac pushes because my opponnents either thought i would mech, or were pretty bad. TvP is kinda the same if you want it to be, however i definetly think mech is alot stronger than in Wol atm, the hellbats and widowmines change it a bit.

Tempest are sick good againts mech, the new oracle thing is kinda wierd, and i think making phoenix/voids to harrass with is better atm. You will only get 3-4 entombs off before vikings are out, or the zerg will have lings and queens to kill them super fast.

The mothershipcore is probably the best unit blizzard has made in hots yet. right now it can teleport itself and all units close to it to target nexus, give target nexus an attack for a minute with a huge range. It allows protoss to pressure zerg in a nonallinish way, kinda like terran drops work right now, but best of all it adds so much to pvz and pvp. It has always been stupidly hard to expand in pvp, however i think it really makes it alot easier now, since the defender will now have an advantage in form of a nexus shooting lasers. In pvz it also got alot easier to defend early, making it easier for protoss to expand. I really hope the pvz metagame goes a bit away from silly 2base allins.

**
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany830 Posts
October 23 2012 14:53 GMT
#2
Sounds like you enjoy playing/testing around in beta :D

Nice to read some overall impressions from someone decent-but-not-pro too.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #253
EmpressLilyy32
Liquipedia
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Playoffs
Solar vs ZounLIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
WardiTV1103
IntoTheiNu 811
TaKeTV 390
TKL 229
Rex166
IndyStarCraft 125
Ryung 113
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 402
TKL 229
Rex 166
IndyStarCraft 125
Ryung 113
trigger 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2028
Shuttle 1400
Jaedong 1102
Horang2 1033
EffOrt 919
Soulkey 619
Mini 469
hero 287
Snow 260
firebathero 242
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 188
actioN 160
Mong 150
Sharp 97
Movie 78
Zeus 74
Hyun 70
Sea.KH 51
JYJ 47
ToSsGirL 45
910 36
Aegong 33
HiyA 24
Sacsri 22
sorry 22
Barracks 19
Rock 18
Terrorterran 16
IntoTheRainbow 15
GoRush 15
soO 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Dota 2
qojqva2511
Dendi1336
420jenkins236
BananaSlamJamma127
Counter-Strike
fl0m6454
olofmeister1140
kRYSTAL_19
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor105
MindelVK7
Other Games
singsing2540
Liquid`RaSZi1090
Day[9].tv1078
hiko833
Lowko478
B2W.Neo421
crisheroes333
DeMusliM271
Hui .190
QueenE83
Liquid`VortiX81
mouzStarbuck67
KnowMe51
Trikslyr33
ArmadaUGS13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3098
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 36
• poizon28 20
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1935
• Jankos1642
• TFBlade346
Other Games
• Day9tv1078
• WagamamaTV260
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 52m
CranKy Ducklings
18h 52m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
19h 52m
Cure vs SKillous
Big Brain Bouts
1d
Maplez vs eGGz
Reynor vs Solar
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 19h
GSL
1d 20h
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
2 days
GSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
3 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-16
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Stake Pulse Beat 1
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.