• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:55
CEST 13:55
KST 20:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL34Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15
Community News
Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)37
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Is there a place to provide feedback for maps? Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2) CN community: Firefly accused of suspicious activities
Tourneys
DreamHack Dallas 2025 EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Battle.net is not working BW General Discussion Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which player typ excels at which race or match up?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group D - Sunday 20:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group B - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Monster Hunter Wilds Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread All you football fans (soccer)! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Research study on team perfo…
TrAiDoS
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 17006 users

Tomb Raider and the Sexual Violence

Blogs > AsmodeusXI
Post a Reply
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 17 2012 21:20 GMT
#1
Hey again TL. Here's another post from my blog at n3rddimension.com. This one is about the Tomb Raider controversy a few months back.

We’re all aware of Tomb Raider, right? That’s the series that first introduced prepubescent PS1-players to the miracles of pixellated boobies. It also featured fighting T-Rexes with pistols, which was cool, I guess, though Turok did it better. The non-gaming mainstream audience even got two works of cinematic greatness out of the series. For a time, Tomb Raider was a signature series for the PlayStation. Its golden age was in the PS1 era, during which five games were published (several were multiplatform, but for declining platforms like the Genesis). By the PS2 era, the quality and popularity of the Tomb Raider games had declined, causing the original developer, Core Design, to abandon the franchise. The Tomb Raider series then took a three year hiatus, at which point it was picked up by its current developer, Crystal Dynamics. Tomb Raider’s next trilogy was not especially popular, but managed to keep the franchise from disappearing completely. By clinging to relevance in this way, the stage was set for Crystal Dynamics’ next plan for the series: a thematic reboot.

Crystal Dynamics stated that they intended to take Lara Croft and her series away from their over-the-top roots and take her in a dark and gritty direction. Recently, the role of the “Indiana Jones-y” character of the gaming world has been relocated to Nathan Drake of the Uncharted series, and Crystal Dynamics wants Lara to reclaim it. As such, Crystal Dynamics is grounding the games in a realistic world and trying to redefine Lara in the eyes of a more adult, less breast-infatuated audience (well, maybe). On the whole, reboots are the debilitating syphilis of the current media landscape, but if one can judge from developer commentary and gameplay videos, the new Tomb Raider might work out pretty well.

However, one of these events that came with this new setting caught people a bit off-guard (read: made them go rage crazy). In an interview with Kotaku, executive producer Ron Rosenberg described the new Lara as one who is more human, more vulnerable. He asserts, “She’s definitely the hero but- you’re kind of like her helper.” She’ll be trapped in terrifying situations and forced to survive, and, as the player, you are the one to guide her. In fact, he states that, in one harrowing scene, Lara will be threatened with rape.

Wait… what?

And then the internet exploded.


Read on in the N3rd Dimension.

****
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#2
Dammit, NAVGTR! You got to them!
3 Hatch Before Cool
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 02:05:29
September 18 2012 02:04 GMT
#3
That's kind of amusing to me. Good blog, you're right. Somehow murder is perfectly fine but rape cannot even be implied. Like you said, there are fucking movies where rape is showed graphically and people go crazy over this bullshit.

I just might buy this game... me, buying a single player game. x_x


I guess people would love this uni-dimensional badass Lara Croft that started off in life shooting down people and wild animals feeling no remorse, all of this for no reason.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 02:11:22
September 18 2012 02:10 GMT
#4
100% on point.

The disturbing thing is the '“She’s definitely the hero but- you’re kind of like her helper.” She’ll be trapped in terrifying situations and forced to survive, and, as the player, you are the one to guide her.'

What kind of sexist bullshit is this? Since when have we been the "protector" or the "guide" of the character we are playing in a video game?

Never. Except apparently a newly vulnerable-ized woman character.

We always just are that character.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 18 2012 03:28 GMT
#5
I just really don't get the whole idea behind this. Nathan Drake is an amazingly crafted character with a great storyline, along with countless other pluses on his side. Laura Croft is also that except less lines more cleavage. Tomb Raider is a classic, no one can dispute that, but taking her away from being a kind of anti-heroin/heroin with badass action is not the right direction. They need to make a very strong copy of the first game, not change a thing, make a copy of it with great graphics, serious cleavage (its tomb raider, lets be honest here, its gonna have that) and badassery. It makes me sad when something declines from greatness and devs try to save it by giving it another life, but really the other life is just some kind of bullshit marketing scheme to make it profitable to buy them time to actually make a proper game TT. Thats mostly why I've stopped with single player games .
User was warned for too many mimes.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 18 2012 14:43 GMT
#6
Hey all! Thanks for reading the blog! I'm glad you're interested and even more glad to hear your opinions. I hope you keep reading and keep talking about stuff! =)
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 19 2012 16:33 GMT
#7
Here's my other side argument, not necessarily about the direct circumstances of this game cause I don't really know them, but about the uneasiness of having rape in a game. Having it as an implied threat that mostly only the more mature players would identify does seem like it's part of elevating the artistry of the video game, making it harder hitting, more real, scarier, which is an interesting turn.

Having it as outright, plain, unmistakable in something very marketed for teenagers (even M rated games are) doesn't seem right though, even more than it would be in movies that teens would go to see, which it also doesn't really show up in. Why? Well for one, the uncanny valley, the very apparent non-reality will diminish it and then it just doesn't work and it becomes irresponsible to have it. For another, a main theme across video games is player control, making your own story. Well rape is about control and power itself, so having as a player some feeling of control over the direction of a scene or story involving rape, well it unintentionally puts you at least somewhat psychologically in the rapist shoes, unless it's all just a cutscene that you watch and have no interaction with whatsoever. The combination of this, with not very mature teenagers playing it, just seems wrong.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 19 2012 17:29 GMT
#8
Did you think, at any point when you were writing that post, about the fact that there's also murder involved? Or at least the killing of a most likely large number of people in that game?

You say that by being in control, through a video game, of a virtual woman who fends off rape, you "put yourself in the rapist shoes". Not only is that backward, it has severe implications about every other game that could be considered violent.

GTA: Mass murderer, drug lord,
SC2: Dictator mode "no quarter".
CS: Terrorists
...

I don't get it, I really don't. There are so many games in which you can commit murders with a huge amount of gore and somehow avoiding rape is "wrong".
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 19 2012 18:07 GMT
#9
Enjoyed reading your blog. I pretty much agree 100%, but it would be difficult to introduce sexual violence into a video game as opposed to other forms of media simply because, well, the player has control of the character. This can work both positively and negatively; on the one hand, having people feel that they are responsible for what happens in the game can reinforce RAPE IS BADBADBAD, IF YOU SEE IT HAPPENING, PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, DO NOT RAPE PEOPLE, but it also runs the risk of treading into far too sexist territory (as was the case with the comment you quoted) where women end up being badly-written female characters who are vulnerable and in dire need of protection by virtue of being female.

(I will also throw in the point those video game developers(?) -- those who write the stories -- are also male and tend to lack perspective unless they really sit down and do a lot of reading about sexism and feminism. A lot of male authors in general cannot write women well, period.)

Incidentally, I do think Silent Hill has perhaps had a potential rape scene depicted, but it was between Pyramid Head and one of those grotesque monsters, so obviously there would be less "impact" on the audience.

Instead, why aren’t more people asking why a female character needs trauma, and specifically sexual trauma, in her backstory to A) become a developed and complex character or B) justify a tendency towards violence? We certainly don’t require such an explanation from our male characters, though I would really like things to turn in that direction. Either way, for female characters to experience some kind of trauma to initiate heavy character development is FAR too common in the current media culture. This is indicative of, at best, character writers’ extreme lack or creativity, or, at worst, an actual belief that the only development opportunities available to female characters is through rape. Both are bad (one is way worse), and likely it’s some combination of the two. Gross.

As a side-note, TGWTDT has actually received criticism for its subject matter for this very point. It's an odd sort of story, written by an author who stood by and watched a girl being gang-raped, then wrote the book to exorcise himself, so to speak, because it was so traumatic ... for him (lol). Then again, Larsson was nuts and didn't mean for his book to be a feminist book; it was less "women are empowered" and more "men are horrible," and tbh the women in his book are also pretty damn badly written.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 20 2012 01:07 GMT
#10
On September 20 2012 02:29 Djzapz wrote:
You say that by being in control, through a video game, of a virtual woman who fends off rape, you "put yourself in the rapist shoes". Not only is that backward, it has severe implications about every other game that could be considered violent.
.


People don't play games within the "how they are meant to be played" though is what I'm talking about. People die to see what different death scenes look like. They have that control. Now have that where you are fighting off sexual violence. It feels wrong and sick compared having your character die, which is so entrenched in video games and part of games it's almost never carrying the impact of something like death or murder in real life.

On September 20 2012 02:29 Djzapz wrote:
Did you think, at any point when you were writing that post, about the fact that there's also murder involved? Or at least the killing of a most likely large number of people in that game?


GTA: Mass murderer, drug lord,
SC2: Dictator mode "no quarter".
CS: Terrorists
...

I don't get it, I really don't. There are so many games in which you can commit murders with a huge amount of gore and somehow avoiding rape is "wrong".


The difference though is pretty much all those things are done pragmatically. Killing in games is almost always to eliminate someone for some necessary mission purpose, or political ends, to win a game, etc.. Not saying it's great to be conditioned to be OK with that, but in the gaming world, that's how it is. Setting bombs, all that, for a story or mission end.

Now in other cases, like GTA, where murder for murder's sake is encouraged, yeah. GTA is a problematic game, and on purpose, it's dripping with satire and dark commentary on our society and games, and comes from an intelligent place. If I have kids, I'll have strong reservations about them playing GTA without having a discussion with me about it because all that is mostly going over their heads and it's just like, yeah free murder!

Basically killing and deadly violence is an institution in games though, even unnecessary gore and graphic things are mainly reactions to and different stylistic takes on the ubiquitous killing that's been in video games basically since the beginning.
Sexual violence has really no legacy like that in games so introducing it means you are necessarily drawing attention to it and basically making a statement regarding it, and the fact that it's all coming from a male-dominated institution with a very problematic history with sexism makes it seem like it's a case of "you better know wtf you are doing here and do it well."
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AllThingsProtoss
11:00
Team League - Semifinals
Gemini_1933
Liquipedia
Road to EWC
09:00
Korea Closed Qualifiers
CranKy Ducklings632
TKL 464
BRAT_OK 207
Rex195
3DClanTV 98
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 464
BRAT_OK 207
Rex 195
ProTech97
EnDerr 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38266
Calm 8630
Rain 3591
Jaedong 1195
BeSt 676
firebathero 448
Stork 432
Pusan 328
Mini 251
Last 240
[ Show more ]
PianO 192
ZerO 157
Barracks 95
Aegong 82
ggaemo 81
Snow 80
Hyun 51
soO 51
ToSsGirL 47
Sacsri 27
Sharp 26
sSak 26
NaDa 19
scan(afreeca) 17
SilentControl 14
IntoTheRainbow 11
Bale 11
Icarus 9
Nal_rA 0
Dota 2
Dendi3517
XcaliburYe610
qojqva495
Fuzer 280
Counter-Strike
x6flipin631
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox557
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor309
Other Games
singsing2885
B2W.Neo1162
ceh9801
DeMusliM478
Beastyqt303
XaKoH 235
crisheroes144
ToD65
Has22
MindelVK18
ZerO(Twitch)18
QueenE14
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4009
• Jankos3144
Other Games
• WagamamaTV397
Upcoming Events
Road to EWC
4h 5m
BSL Season 20
6h 5m
Bonyth vs Doodle
Bonyth vs izu
Bonyth vs MadiNho
Bonyth vs TerrOr
MadiNho vs TerrOr
Doodle vs izu
Doodle vs MadiNho
Doodle vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Bellum Gens Elite
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Bellum Gens Elite
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Bellum Gens Elite
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Bellum Gens Elite
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
SOOP
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
AllThingsProtoss
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-28
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
Murky Cup #2
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.