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Limelights
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
September 17 2012 05:43 GMT
#1
So I just played five games and I feel so confused, I've never felt so unfocused before. I know what I need to work on first and that's having some structure in my play.

I use the Stephano build for ZvP and a roach-ling timing push for ZvT so those MU's are more structured and organized but I'm not sure what to do for ZvZ. I keep trying to defend the all-ins with ling-bane but they keep slipping past my defenses or I get my banelings too late. I'm also not aware of the periods in ZvZ where I should be droning since zerglings build so fast. One wrong round of drones and I have a pack of zerglings in my base...

I seem to be getting all Zerg players the last few days so this is a perfect time to get a build down. If anyone has any suggestions let me know.



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1a2a3a[MB]
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States297 Posts
September 17 2012 05:48 GMT
#2
basically you get gas right after your spawning pool so after that you mine 100 gas you would make that speed then once you have 50 gas after that make baneling nest micro your banelings gl!
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Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 07:46:52
September 17 2012 07:45 GMT
#3
I like to play aggressive in ZvZ... many players are being too greedy these days.

I use a build popularized by TangSC

9 Overlord (I do not drone scout in ZvZ)
14 Gas
14 Pool
15 Overlord (Important to position overlords so that you see whether your opponent has expanded or not, also important to make a line of vision with overlords to his base)
15 Queen (Take guys out of gas at 100)
17 2xLings/speed (You must attempt to get into the main with at least 1-2 of these lings to see: is he mining gas, has he made a nest/warren)
19 Go back into drone production until you have EXACTLY 16drones mining at your main 2per patch.
21 Expansion hatchery.
20 2nd queen
22 Overlord
After 22 supply, in most situations you will continue to mass lings and attempt to outright kill your opponent. The execution of this build, however, depends on what your opponent is doing.

Here's the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274426

Give it a try, glhf! (:

kingsbd
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium5 Posts
September 17 2012 18:44 GMT
#4
just 10 pool everybody lol
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
September 18 2012 00:02 GMT
#5
On September 17 2012 16:45 Flamingo777 wrote:
I like to play aggressive in ZvZ... many players are being too greedy these days.

I use a build popularized by TangSC

9 Overlord (I do not drone scout in ZvZ)
14 Gas
14 Pool
15 Overlord (Important to position overlords so that you see whether your opponent has expanded or not, also important to make a line of vision with overlords to his base)
15 Queen (Take guys out of gas at 100)
17 2xLings/speed (You must attempt to get into the main with at least 1-2 of these lings to see: is he mining gas, has he made a nest/warren)
19 Go back into drone production until you have EXACTLY 16drones mining at your main 2per patch.
21 Expansion hatchery.
20 2nd queen
22 Overlord
After 22 supply, in most situations you will continue to mass lings and attempt to outright kill your opponent. The execution of this build, however, depends on what your opponent is doing.

Here's the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274426

Give it a try, glhf! (:



lol as a random player... this is my favorite ZvZ build. The nerd tears are so sweet when I send streams of lings into their base. It works against lots of diamond players... never used it against master players though
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Limelights
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
September 18 2012 07:21 GMT
#6
But what if that build doesn't kill your opponent?
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