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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:48:03
August 29 2012 14:38 GMT
#1
I see a lot of complaints in LR threads about the OSL's round robin, Bo1 format from SC2 fans used to every important game being at least a Bo3. Therefore, I thought I'd throw a bit of math at the problem to demonstrate why, all things equal, the better player isn't much more favored in a Bo3 than they are in a Bo1. I'm not exactly a mathematician, but the number crunching here is pretty trivial. Apologies to any actual mathematicians if my wording isn't formal enough, but the numbers are correct.

So, let's start with two Players, A and B. Lets also say we can quantify A's chances of beating B as equal to X, and his chances of losing equal to (1 - X), with all external factors being equal. How can we figure out his chances of beating B in a Bo1 or Bo3?

We'll, if it's a Bo1, his chances of winning are simply equal to X. So, if we think a has a 60% chance (ie, that he'd win 6 out of 10 games against B) we'd expect him to win a Bo1 60% of the time, again with all things being equal.

For a Bo3, it's a bit more complicated. Bo3's can end with 4 different scores, 2-0, 2-1, 1-2, or 0-2. We need to figure out the odds for all of these outcomes occurring to know A's overall chances.

For a 2-0, there is only one possible way this can happen, with A winning both games (WW). So. the odds of that are equal to X * X. Again, using our 60% favored number, A has a 36% chance of this happening.

Likewise, 0-2 works the same way. Since there is only one way this can happen (LL), we can solve the odds easily as (1-X) * (1-X). For 60%, this equals only a 19.2% chance.

For three game series, it's only a bit more complicated.

There are two possible ways a 2-1 can happen, WLW or LWW. WWL is obviously not a possibility, since with two wins the series is over. So, the odds are equal to 2 * (X * X * (1-X) ). For 60%, this gives A a 28.8% chance of winning in three games.

Same is true for a 1-2, the two possibilities are LWL and WLL. So, the odds are equal to 2 * ( (1 - X) * (1 - X) * X). A 60% favored player has a 19.2% chance of losing in three games.

Overall, the 60% player has 64.8% chance of winning a Bo3, hardly better than his Bo1 odds.

It's a few minutes work to plug this all into a spreadsheet, and get the numbers for any given odds for player A. As a quick correctness checker, the total odds should always add up to 1. I'll save you the effort though, and post some for you.

50% in Bo1 = 50% in Bo3
55% in Bo1 = 57.74% in Bo3
60% in Bo1 = 64.8% in Bo3
65% in Bo1 = 71.8% in Bo3
70% in Bo1 = 78.4% in Bo3
75% in Bo1 = 84.4% in Bo3
80% in Bo1 = 89.6 in Bo3

As you can see, in fairly close matchups the odds of a player winning a Bo3 aren't much better than their odds in a Bo1. Obviously though, as the matchup becomes more and more favored for Player A, the effect of a Bo3 becomes more significant.

However, the major limit to these numbers is that they assume the odds of A beating B are the same on Maps 1, 2 and 3 in a Bo3. Obviously this isn't the case. Not only do certain maps favor certain races and players, but this doesn't account for the mind games that can occur in a series. The latter number isn't really possible to predict in advance, so we can't account for it. The maps problem, however, is a much bigger deal. Heavily biased maps swing the odds of single games fairly dramatically, and are something a tournament should try and be aware of. However, If the maps are close to even in a given matchup, then their effect is negligible. If the maps suck, blame the people who picked them, not the format.

Finally, it's worth pointing out that this has nothing to do with the viewing experience. Personally, as a BW fan used to this format i like the tension and (slightly greater) potential for upsets created by the OSL group stage format. Likewise, as an adult with other interests and commitments i like that it takes less time to watch all the games. People who are coming from a Sc2 background, on the other hand, might miss the mind games more than i do, and might simply want to see more games played. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, however, the numbers don't care.

TLDR: For closely matched players on mostly balanced maps, the odds of a player winning a Bo3 are barely different from them winning a Bo1. However, Bo3's benefit heavily favored players quite significantly, and highly biased maps are far more significant in a Bo1 than a Bo3. Read it, and learn some basic math.

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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
August 29 2012 14:44 GMT
#2
If anyone wants to run the numbers for how biased maps effect this, feel free to do so. As i said, I'm not really math person, and while i could probably do it, it would require a bit more effort than I'm willing to put into this post.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 29 2012 14:54 GMT
#3
People are crying to much, Bo1 is only ONE phase of OSL, later you will have your BO3/Bo5's. It brings the fresh air to SC2 where players generally tend to treat BO series lightly (throwing a game or 2 just because they can risk it). I like the fact that you need to prepare severely for that 1 game and be flexible.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19229 Posts
August 29 2012 14:55 GMT
#4
Well written deafhobbit. People have no reason to complain. It's really nice to see a different tournament format then in all the other ones. A best of one is intense and in the deeper brackets there will be more BoX games. This blog deserves to be in the LR thread.

On August 29 2012 23:47 CajunMan wrote:
Wow never realized this is best of one good thing I didn't stay up to watch. I won't be watching this from now on holy crap what a waste of time.

Comments like this make no sense to me. Either you want to watch the players play or not. The number of games shouldn't prevent someone from watching them. And how is it a waste of time. BO1 means less time wasted each night watching.

Regardless, great blog. The chances of winning a BO3 for a favored player are indeed more but just slightly and I enjoy the epicness of bo1. TLDR just enjoy SC2.
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:57:42
August 29 2012 14:56 GMT
#5
On August 29 2012 23:54 bgx wrote:
People are crying to much, Bo1 is only ONE phase of OSL, later you will have your BO3/Bo5's. It brings the fresh air to SC2 where players generally tend to treat BO series lightly (throwing a game or 2 just because they can risk it). I like the fact that you need to prepare severely for that 1 game and be flexible.


I agree, but again that's subjective preference, and i can understand why someone used to something different would disagree. The point of this post was to show the odds of a player winning a Bo3 and Bo1 are pretty close.

EDIT - BisuDagger, i linked it in the LR thread after i saw that post. If other people want to spread it around though, i won't complain.
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tskuzzy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States33 Posts
August 29 2012 17:24 GMT
#6
Yes, for a single series a bo3 doesn't change much in terms of statistical significance. However it's worth noting that a tournament consists of many boXs where a 5-10% increase per series has a huge compounded effect on the results.

That being said, I think it's reasonable for OSL to have bo1s in the early stages and switch to bo5 (3?) in later rounds.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
August 29 2012 18:22 GMT
#7
On August 30 2012 02:24 tskuzzy wrote:
Yes, for a single series a bo3 doesn't change much in terms of statistical significance. However it's worth noting that a tournament consists of many boXs where a 5-10% increase per series has a huge compounded effect on the results.

That being said, I think it's reasonable for OSL to have bo1s in the early stages and switch to bo5 (3?) in later rounds.


Remember though, each player playes 3 Bo1's at this stage, one against each of the other players in their group.
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 30 2012 06:04 GMT
#8
5/5 for accurate maths.
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