• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:07
CET 18:07
KST 02:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced14[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Information Request Regarding Chinese Ladder SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Which season is the best in ASL? FlaSh's Valkyrie Copium BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1093 users

SC2 World Ranking, Part 12: Graphs

Blogs > Entirety
Post a Reply
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 18 2012 17:30 GMT
#1
Part 11: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=361272

+ Show Spoiler [Introduction] +
Lately, I've heard lots of discussion about a StarCraft 2 World Ranking based on tournament results. Essentially, the concept is that you assign points for tournament rankings. Unfortunately, no matter how it is done, the ranking will always be subjective. One person may say that the GSL is worth as much as every other tournament combined, whereas another person may say that the GSL is worth about as much as a MLG.

How do I get around this "subjective" problem? Here's my answer: I'll let you choose the values!

That's right, I'm starting a project to create a World Ranking. The cool thing is that you get to choose how many points each victory is worth and more.


Now updated with GRAPHS! (Current Size: 232 KB)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43612415/World Ranking.xlsm

+ Show Spoiler [How to Use] +
+ Show Spoiler [Ratios] +
The first sheet is known as "Values" and it is the only spreadsheet you should edit. Only edit the highlighted areas!

Do not worry about the exact point values, only the ratios truly matter! Basically, having GSL = 10 points and MLG = 4 points is the same as having GSL = 5 points and MLG = 2 points.

First, start with the point ratios. Simply enter the points that you think a 1st place is worth compared to a 2nd place, a 3rd place, a 4th place, etc.

For example, if I enter 1,000 points for 1st place and 500 points for 2nd place, that means 1st place is worth double the amount of points as 2nd place. If you think that 1st place is worth 3 times as much as 2nd place, you can put 1st place as 300 points and 2nd place at 100 points.

The section underneath that (highlighted with a darker shade, containing 3rd/4th, 5th/6th, etc.) are optional. You can choose the values yourself if you want. If you do not, they work using averages (3rd/4th averages the points you gave for 3rd place and 4th place).

Next, enter the tournament ratios. For example, if I enter 10 points for GSL and 4 points for MLG, that means GSL will give out 2.5x as many points as MLG. Use these ratios to gauge relative importance of the tournaments. If you think MLG is worth half as much as GSL, make MLG 5 points and GSL 10 points, and so on.

The points are calculated by multiplying the tournament ratios with the point ratios. If I put 100 points for 1st place and 10 points for GSL, it will multiply the two values and give you 1,000 points for GSL 1st place. Here's another example:

Let's say I choose these values: 1st place = 1,000 points, 2nd place = 500 points. GSL = 10 points, MLG = 4 points.

GSL 1st = 1,000*10 = 10,000 points
GSL 2nd = 500*10 = 5,000 points
MLG 1st = 1,000*4 = 4,000 points
MLG 2nd = 500*4 = 2,000 points


+ Show Spoiler [Regression] +
One thing that is very popular in point rankings such as this is the concept of regression. Basically, your points degrade over time, meaning that a GSL today is worth more than a GSL one year ago.

The sheet "Values" has a "Regression Factor" which you can edit. Right now, the spreadsheet only supports simple regression - exponential decay. Here's how the regression model works:

New Point Value = Original Point Value * (Regression Factor)^(# of Days since the Tournament)

The value I prefer is "0.99769217652702". If you use this value, the number of points will be halved after 300 days (so 10,000 points becomes 5,000 points), the number of points will be 25% after 600 days (so 10,000 points becomes 2,500 points), and so on.

You may choose your own value! If you do not wish to use regression (you think a GSL from one year ago is worth exactly the same as a GSL today), then simply use the value "1".

Some regression values:
50% after 120 days: 0.99424042381754732964045049128729
50% after 180 days: 0.99615658722058
50% after 300 days: 0.99769217652702


+ Show Spoiler [Dates] +
The concept of this is that you can go back in time and see what the rankings would look like in August 2011 or August 2010 or whatever date you choose. The way to use this is very simple:

In the "Values" spreadsheet, there is a section called "Date". Simply change this date to whatever date you want to go back to!


+ Show Spoiler [Sorting] +
Finally, when you are ready to produce your ranking, simply press the "Sort" button in the "Values" sheet. It will automatically sort every list in the spreadsheet. The sheet named "Ranking" will have your final ranking sorted from the greatest amount of points to the least amount of points.


+ Show Spoiler [Graphs] +
Just go to the sheet named "Graphs" and there is a highlighted cell near the top. Enter the player whose points you wish to track and it should automatically create a graph for you detailing his/her points over time.


However, this is not completed yet! In fact, I need your help!

+ Show Spoiler [Checklist] +
Red Bull LAN
WCS
HomeStory
OSL
ESWC
GSL Code A
Other major tournaments/one-off tournaments (such as IPL Hot Import Nights, GSL All-Stars Invitational, MLG Global Invitational, etc.)
Tournament rankings without prize pool (such as MLG 9th place)


+ Show Spoiler [My Progress] +
+ Show Spoiler +
Part 1: I started this project on Google Spreadsheets and added the three GSL Open Seasons. NesTea topped the rankings with his GSL Open Season win.

Part 2: I added all of the GSL Code S seasons including the World Championship, Super Tournament, and Blizzard Cup. I also moved the project to Microsoft Excel, which is much much faster than Google Spreadsheets. With the addition of more GSL seasons, the GSL king (also known as Mvp) topped the rankings.

Part 3: I added IPL. I changed the spreadsheet into a macro-enabled spreadsheet and protected each sheet except "Values". The addition of IPL allowed Squirtle to break the top ten!

Part 4: I added MLG. MLG gave a lot of points to DongRaeGu and MarineKing, and they rose many places. MC, MMA, and Leenock also rose some places, while NesTea didn't gain any points.

Part 5: I added DreamHack. A high placement in DreamHack allowed Genius to overtake aLive and break into the top 10.


+ Show Spoiler +
Part 6: I added IEM. Also, I changed the "Values" system to work with ratios rather than point values for each "cluster" of tournaments. Ratios are more flexible in general.

Part 7: I added Top 16 for each DreamHack tournament (before, only the placements with prize money were included in the ranking). Also, I added the NASL, causing PuMa and Stephano to enter the rankings.

Part 8: I added Top 16 for each MLG Arena this year. I added the Iron Squid, giving lots of points to MMA.

Part 9: I added TSL, not much accomplished today.

Part 10: I added Assembly and Seed falls in the rankings as Stephano, PuMa, and Polt gain significant amounts of points.


Part 11: I added WCG, giving Mvp even more points. Also, I added "Dates" which lets you go back in time and view rankings from an earlier date!

Part 12: I added BlizzCon and Mvp is uncontested once more. The "Graphs" feature was also added which allows you to track a player's points over time!


+ Show Spoiler [How You Can Help!] +
I need lists of tournament rankings. First, I need the name of the tournament, and the date it ended. Then, I need a list of players starting from 1st place until last place. Here's an example:

GSL Open Season 1
10/2/2010

FruitDealer
RainBOw
Ensnare
LiveForever
HongUn
InCa
Maka
TricKsteR
anypro
Check
Clide
Hyperdub
LegalMind
Nettie
San
TOP
IdrA
JookTo
justfake
Keeping
Maru
Polt
TaeJa
Tankboy
TheWinD
TLO
ZanDarke
Zenio
Aory
Artosis
Astraea
BrEEzE
Cella
Cezanne
Chipmunk
Dos
FoCuS
Genius
Gerrard
GuineaPig
Hansin
JiTaeHoon
jjonga
JSL
Junwi
LosirA
MC
miso
Myth
NesTea
New
RenieHouR
SengKun
Sopia
Spunky
SSoja
TorcH
Wind
Xian
Yong

My next goal is foreign tournaments. Do not worry about Code A yet!


Finally, here is my own ranking:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. 31,043 Mvp
2. 25,923 MC
3. 23,129 DongRaeGu
4. 22,008 MMA
5. 17,982 NesTea
6. 14,767 MarineKing
7. 12,411 Polt
8. 10,832 Stephano
9. 10,532 PuMa
10. 9,758 Seed

I added BlizzCon and once again, Mvp's lead is incredibly large. He broke 30,000 points which is pretty much insanity.


This time, I added BlizzCon and Mvp's lead skyrockets.

More importantly, I'd like to talk about the newest feature, "Graphs". Simply put, it calculates the amount of points that the player had at the start of each month. Then, it creates a simple line graph. Using this, you can check a player's peak. For example, Mvp's peak was at the start of 2012, shortly after his Blizzard Cup and WCG placements.

This is a really cool feature and I love the graphs as much as anyone, but I noticed something. Does anyone else notice that the spreadsheet is substantially slower? This makes me sad because I sense the limitations of Excel as well. D:

Right now, the speed is definitely okay. The speed just changed from "instantaneous" to "half a second wait" which isn't too bad. However, if this continues, then the spreadsheet might almost be unusable. I suspect that the slowness is caused by the arrays which create the player graphs.

The arrays are quite memory-intensive, I suspect. I have NOT protected the Graphs sheet because I want you to choose the player you want to track. Can someone who is experienced in Excel please take a look at my formulas and try to optimize them if possible? There's probably a better way, but with the "regression" feature, I'm not sure how.

If I could, I would add all the features imaginable. Memory is a serious issue, though, and I would like to hear your opinions before I continue to make this project larger.

My question for you: What tournament should I add next? Also, do you notice the spreadsheet running slower than normal? Is it getting to a point where I should not add more memory-intensive features? Do you have any ideas on how to make it faster?

*
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 19:19:55
August 18 2012 19:16 GMT
#2
Looking at your spreadsheet, you're doing all the heavy lifting through formulas... and then you're doing a sort through a VBA macro. :/

I would flip that as much as possible - sorting values is something Excel does really well if you put those values into a cell. Doing as much of the calculations on demand through VBA with custom functions would probably make it run faster. Or, you could go VBA Kung-Fu master and write your own custom class to handle a dictionary or library of players to speed up on-the-fly calculations. (I did something like this several years back on a program that ingested raw data files to track user performance at a detection task and generate statistical information. It could, without much problem, keep track of several thousand individuals over a period of several years. It did have some "chug" time to compile large data sets, but once the dictionary was in place it was much snappier. In the end, Excel was just a front-end and report formatting agent while the heavy lifting was in the VBA code behind it.)

Just in case R1CH or a real programmer looks in - yes, VBA isn't real coding, but it can be bent up to do things dirty when its all you've got to work with.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 18 2012 20:38 GMT
#3
That sounds very intelligent. Could you help me with that? I have no idea where to begin.

Would the "dictionary of players" be stored as part of the spreadsheet? I want to let other people make use of it as well, so it can't just be on my computer. I haven't done any programming before, but this might be a good time to learn how.

The only reason why I made sorting into a macro is because I couldn't find a really easy way to have the lists autosort, or a way to sort every list at once. The macro I made is primitive but it is suitable for my purposes.

Overall, I like where you're going with that. Running a database of players would probably allow for some more cool stuff and it wouldn't take up an insane amount of space. Could you take it one step further and keep a library of tournaments/tournament results?

Anyway, your help would be greatly appreciated. :D
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
StarCraft2.fi
17:00
15V Cup / Groups Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko472
gerald23 234
mouzHeroMarine 211
Livibee 71
BRAT_OK 68
MindelVK 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4634
Shuttle 915
Larva 759
Mini 443
PianO 415
Rush 331
firebathero 296
Snow 189
Light 181
hero 121
[ Show more ]
Mong 35
Terrorterran 35
Sacsri 29
Movie 29
JYJ27
soO 22
HiyA 13
yabsab 11
Dota 2
Gorgc6028
qojqva3525
Dendi996
420jenkins387
Counter-Strike
fl0m8126
zeus1020
Other Games
FrodaN1721
B2W.Neo1220
hiko826
Hui .223
RotterdaM196
Liquid`VortiX190
Beastyqt161
KnowMe119
QueenE110
Mew2King99
ArmadaUGS91
Trikslyr71
oskar49
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2784
• WagamamaTV654
• Noizen40
League of Legends
• Nemesis3509
• TFBlade954
Other Games
• Shiphtur73
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
7h 54m
Wardi Open
18h 54m
StarCraft2.fi
23h 54m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
SC Evo League
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
[ Show More ]
OSC
4 days
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-28
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.