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On August 08 2012 03:14 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? There's nothing wrong with it if you make something out of it. Anna accomplished something. I use the same standards to judge men. If an actor got into Hollywood because daddy happened to be a famous movie director, he better not be a terrible actor - and people definitely shouldn't praise him because he got a free ride to Hollywood. If that's condescending then I'm sorry. Like I said, accomplish shit.
Again Anna Prosser had a position where she accomplish way more than a girl who justs get viewers because she is a girl. They have to build a viewerbase, get into a team, and build their career from there.. and you're talking about " accomplishing real things when the position Anna Prosser has is a luxury not many of us have. So yes.. you are quick to judge those "bimbos' as you call them.
Also if daddy has a lot of money and people, you can make a song which isnt really yours but still be succesful most fo the things which are managed are done by the people behind the scenes. Accomplishment in these circumstances is very relative.
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On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became
Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ?
Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken.
She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. I really don;t want to sound condescending i think she is doing a great job however i want to emphasize that shes not the only talented person around there are a lot but they are shut off and labeled as attentionwh... " and thus not even given a chance.. People like Djaz who say " accomplish real things" when you're not even given the chance.
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On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of.
which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. The talent im referring to is stage presence, something that while you might scoff at its extremely important and has everything to do with confidence and personality and less to do with her figure and before you try to dismiss how important they are you should think for a moment why most casters are popular. (hint its not because day9 is analytical.
p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile?
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How can I even argue with this incoherent ramble?
On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ?
Do you think that's all she's worth? Come on...
I'm just saying that if someone's aiming to be famous, they shouldn't take the free ride and be content with it. Anna Prosser is well, well beyond that. She got a head start, and she made something out of it. To qualify that as "looking good in a dress and being a host" is to severely downplay what she's brought to the community and you should be ashamed of what you're saying, both as a woman but also as the OP of this thread.
Anna Prosser is a very competent host who got things done after she got her head start. Stop downplaying her actual accomplishments.
What I've said here is not half as sexist as you are. If you're handed a good opportunity, take it. Then show that you're worth that opportunity. This applies to both women and men. Like Omnic said, if your friend helps you find a job, don't slack off and get money from a job you didn't technically deserve, but PROVE that you deserve the salary.
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On August 08 2012 03:27 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile?
Well being Incontrol's gf did trigger all of it and that wouldn't have been less likely if she wasn't a progamer's girlfriend. So yea being female and being the girlfriend of a progamer certainly worked out well. As for your question about her activities i am not aware of what she does besides that no, feel free to enlighten me.
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On August 08 2012 03:31 Djzapz wrote:How can I even argue with this incoherent ramble? Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Do you think that's all she's worth? Come on... I'm just saying that if someone's aiming to be famous, they shouldn't take the free ride and be content with it. Anna Prosser is well, well beyond that. She got a head start, and she made something out of it. To qualify that as "looking good in a dress and being a host" is to severely downplay what she's brought to the community and you should be ashamed of what you're saying, both as a woman but also as the OP of this thread. Anna Prosser is a very competent host who got things done after she got her head start. Stop downplaying her actual accomplishments. What I've said here is not half as sexist as you are. If you're handed a good opportunity, take it. Then show that you're worth that opportunity. This applies to both women and men. Like Omnic said, if your friend helps you find a job, don't slack off and get money from a job you didn't technically deserve, but PROVE that you deserve the salary.
Okay now you are, once again, assuming people who take the free ride as you call it, are content with it not aiming to go higher. People who are trying to use whatever means necessary usually do that to share their passion of the game whilst using the means available to them. Isn't that what Anna Prosser did ? Exactly... Expect her "free ride" was a lil more than just some viewers. So its hardly fair to judge them and be like " accomplish real things" . That is my problem with your hypocrisy.
As for Anna Prosser i genuinely do not know what she has done for the community my apologies I am genuinely interested enlighten me. I only know that she has been host for several occasions and now does the PR for EG.. so What am i downplaying here?.
Also your ambiguous statements confuse me, so first you judge people and make the remark of them accomplishing real things and then you're okay with people taking opportunities. Maybe im too dense but isnt that an opportunity to get recognition and aim for higher goals ? Like getting viewers then joining a team maybe and maybe even doing stuff like hosting or whatever ?..
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On August 08 2012 03:32 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:27 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile? Well being Incontrol's gf did trigger all of it and that wouldn't have been less likely if she wasn't a progamer's girlfriend. So yea being female and being the girlfriend of a progamer certainly worked out well. As for your question about her activities i am not aware of what she does besides that no, feel free to enlighten me.
what if anna prosser was male and incontrol was in a homosexual relationship with her/him. Would you still be making TL blogs about this?
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Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
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Well what do you want me to say - she's a very talented and entertaining host who knows enough about the game to talk about it at least from what seems to be a fan's educated perspective. She gives good interviews and she seems genuinely interested. She's been in a number of community oriented videos and streams, and in some EG-related stuff, like discussions with the players.
She got a head start, good for her - she showed that she deserved it.
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On August 08 2012 03:43 Djzapz wrote:
Well what do you want me to say - she's a very talented and entertaining host who knows enough about the game to talk about it at least from what seems to be a fan's educated perspective. She gives good interviews and she seems genuinely interested. She's been in a number of community oriented videos and streams, and in some EG-related stuff, like discussions with the players.
She got a head start, good for her - she showed that she deserved it.
Perfect.. so i didnt downplay anything.. and like i said good for her she does a good job. But again plenty of women who can do that but are looked down upon because people like you tell them to just accomplish stuff. Well, it doesn't work like that unfortunately people need time and opportunities as well as experience to reach that point. Sad part is some of us are cut off before we even hit that road because we took that free ride.. so i hope you wont be as judgemental as you were in that post in the future. That was my whole point not Anna Prosser and what she does.. hell thats perfect a girl who loves what shes doing and seized the moment.
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On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard.
My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this?
I mean if you wanted to pick on somebody you could of used Kelly Milkies or somebody that obviously lacked confidence or personality to host/shoutcast or the knowledge to be successful at being an analytical caster.
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I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook.
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On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this?
Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG.
I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more.
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On August 08 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook.
Okay, let me try to explain once more. You are saying this "
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
If this isn't condescending i don't know what is. Again you are saying that people need to show something for it and you should be loathed if you are not. But that doesn't happen overnight either people need time and the opportunity to get those positions where they can shine but before that you need recognition and that is how some girls utilize streaming/cam to get there. So in a way you are being judgemental beforehand by implying what they're doing is not accomplishing real things.
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On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more.
Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females.
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On August 08 2012 04:03 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more. Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females.
Wow.. just wow.. did i critisize anything? No.. I said its okay any nepotism is okay that's how it normally works in hollywood,music business and what not but when women get an opportunity taking those opportunities even if it was because they streamed with cam they get labeled attacked right away.
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On August 08 2012 04:10 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:03 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more. Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females. Wow.. just wow.. did i critisize anything? No.. I said its okay any nepotism is okay that's how it normally works in hollywood,music business and what not but when women get an opportunity taking those opportunities even if it was because they streamed with cam they get labeled attacked right away.
you're criticizing anna when you admit that you wouldn't criticize her if she was a he. Using this knowledge we can deduce that you would be completely ok with everything anna has done and continues to do assuming she was a male. Meaning that you don't care how good she is at what she does you only care that she is female.
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On August 08 2012 04:03 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook. Okay, let me try to explain once more. You are saying this " wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. " If this isn't condescending i don't know what is. Again you are saying that people need to show something for it and you should be loathed if you are not. But that doesn't happen overnight either people need time and the opportunity to get those positions where they can shine but before that you need recognition and that is how some girls utilize streaming/cam to get there. So in a way you are being judgemental beforehand by implying what they're doing is not accomplishing real things.
It truly isn't condescending. That's an example that happens to involve women, but it could just as well have been the example of an actor who got into Hollywood because of daddy, as I mentioned before. How about "I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on being IdrA's brother" or something like that.
You're not accomplishing anything if you get viewers because you're a girl or if you know someone who gave you those viewers. By itself, it's not wrong - but if you want to earn my respect, you have to do something to earn those viewers because until you do, your viewers themselves know why they're watching you and it's not a very glamorous reason.
I don't understand what's your aversion to having to earn things. Sounds like a trust fund baby trying to justify its existence. As if having stuff given to you constituted some sort of accomplishment.
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Can someone sum up what she is bashing Anna about? I literally cannot read incoherent rambling
It seems like she's upset about Anna having Incontrol for a boyfriend and thus being in a better position to get e-famous than people without progamers for boyfriends?
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Hasn't it always been this way? The world is cruel, you have to be better than others to get ahead. And when you're not ahead and unhappy with yourself you find a way to bring others down to your level. Everyone does it and its sad, but its the way the world works. People want to be heard and make themselves feel better because no one has everything and no one is perfectly happy with themselves.
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