|
.. is the impression i get from girls who love to call others out for their insatiable hunger for attention and being a pretender as to whether or not she's a gamer. Ironically, this happens quite often and each time i see myself being in a situation where people claim that or say that about another i cannot but be surprised by the sheer hypocrisy.
Truth be told, i have seen this many times over and over.. People love to be judgemental whilst being blind to their own actions and recognition they seek. Taking someone down one way or the other gives one a pleasure of entitlement if you will or a feeling of superiority i should say. More than often this is paired with dislike and sometimes even hatred.
Now why am i breaking the silence now ? Well, yesterday night i came across an article by a girl stating that boobs do not equal noobs, which is debatable to some i'm sure, but in general it's fair to say that that is an accurate statement. However then she goes on explaining that probably the general consensus arises from the fact that a lot of girls are in the gaming scene for the attention and aren't up to par with the male majority of gamers. And then proceeding by backing up her claim with a picture of Lindsey Sporrer at NASL and the mistake she made during an interview. Her claim was that people like Lindsey Sporrer make the female gamer look bad because, well, the average female game isn't like that and so forth.
Agitated and angered as i was i immediately decided to respond and before i knew it, i was being quite fierce to put it lighty, in my response to her article. I was simply baffled by the nerves she had to say " Hey ! A lot of girls are attentionseekers but sometimes we are legit gamers ". By making such a statement she is distancing herself from that idea of female gamer yet confirming it and then being judgemental herself. Which to me is stupid, bigoted, judgemental, and inaccurate. I hear this very often from girls with a beligerent tone and just find it sad to see that even a lot of girls have such thoughts and claims that "most" or " a lot " of female gamers are there just to seek attention but aren't really gamers.
Now guys, that's where these people are wrong..
In all honesty, i've been around for a very long time and love playing with other ladies but rarely .. really very seldomly have i ever came across one who is an upright attentionseeker who fits the description given by people. It is is unfair and unjust.
First of all, Female and male gamers are different. Simply put, girls in general are less competitive than men are, and we act different from men too. There are numerous books about these and lectures, but i guess one of the most famous books about this is, men are from mars and women are from venus. Female gamers are casual gamers too so you won't see us playing hardcore nonstop that often. However, none of this makes us a lesser gamer. We still love gaming and share this passion with many around. And the attention part, well it is quite simple. Most people want to get recognition in what they love to do or get attention in that field by whatever means. The difference is, in my opion, that when a woman does it something to get that attention, she's an attentionseeker or the w word.
And frankly i don't see what's wrong with loving attention men do it too.
People try to be funny, or extremely rude or wear hats or w/e to get that recognition or attention. And you know, to be frank a lot of you out there would also showcase that which would help you get those things.
People love being judgemental and to point fingers and i think its sad to see that even girls to that to one another when we can just take one as he or she is and accept it. We don't need to like everyone but for heaven's sake stop being so hateful. When guys seek attention by whatever means they're never called attentionseekers but we always are. So why do women partake in this labeling for attentionw... ? Is it to distance themselves to be in a position where they can throw rocks at the alleged witch at the burning stake ? Or are we so deformed by the geenral misconcept of an attentionwh.. to the point that we partake in it as well ?
I wish we could support one another instead of pointing fingers. I wish we could banish this word from the world which has no place really other than labeling a person and trying to degrade that person. live and let live, you don't need to do stuff if you don't like it but stop judging others for having fun or getting attention by doing whatever wherever. In the end we all share our passion for the same game but we differentiate ourselves in our behavior and actions. Even if those actions may not be to everyone's liking.
User was banned for this post.
  
|
Russian Federation748 Posts
It has always seemed to me that females craved for the opposite sex's attention more than males do in "real life". But of course that does not necessarily have any bearing on your behaviour inside games.
|
I think it's very easy to see it that way when attention is given to one of the female gender. If i wear something revealing or show my cam on stream people will say im the one craving when in fact theres a huge portion of guys who give that attention, so what? if you dont want to, then dont give it. Also if a guy could get attention as easily they would too. And you see that a lot of guys try whatever means necessary to get it.
Besides, there is nothing wrong with wanting or getting attention. Getting attention is a form of getting recognition that you are a part of something or belonging somewhere.
|
thank you for writing that
thank you
thank you
and
thank you
|
It sucks, but people say and do a lot of dumb things. I happen to enjoy female company and what other people call "attention whoring." There are also people who enjoy cannibalism.
|
You make some good points and I agree with you for the most part, however I do believe you have omitted a certain kind of people. Those pitiful persons who are so shallow and insecure that they need to find some kind of trend and latch on to the bandwagon, publically claiming they enjoy whatever that is just so they can find some sort of acceptance or approval from others. In this case an example would be the girls who play some random hyper-popular facebook game and feel the need to yell "OMG I'M SUCH A NERD I'M SUCH A GAMER" [gamers please shower me with attention and confirm to me that i am not as worthless as my insecurities make me feel]. In the metal scene we call people of that sort "posers" and in my opinion they don't deserve hate... just pity.
Just thought it would be worth mentioning. But, like I said, for the most part I agree with what you said. If some girl, as a gamer, feels somehow wronged by these so called attention whores... Well, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't feel the need to say something like "I'm legit, she's not" because you'd be basically doing the same thing. Just do whatever you like, if that happens to be gaming then game. If you are truly passionate, some people will appreciate it and recognize you as such, and those that don't should not matter to you anyway.
Just my 2 cents. ^^
|
omg another trick girl blog...  first the toilet seat one now this one, i wanna hear about the girl problems ur having lol
im jking btw, i just see girl in the title and assume a girl story lol
|
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Difference is for me that why do most of these "attention wh.." think it's good idea to stream their games with a webcam etcetcetc. Thats the problem i have, i have met many a girl who plays games on my time playing , but i can honestly say to my knowledge 0 of them have ever streamed it, so to me every girl who is streaming is a attention wh...
And your correlation between men and women attention wh... i don't get? I can't think of any male streamer that matches the same meaning as a female attention wh... your addressing here? Maybe you could point me in the direction of one though?
However i know people are free to exploit anythng they like, and if they get hired by a gaming company to model something so be it, good for them. They pull 1000 viewers by having a webcam on their stream "gaming" so be it, good for them, i have no problem, i just prefer not to watch. The only problem i have is when it is thrown in your face and your force fed it, ie when someone is asking stupid questions at a LAN event on a stream to 20,000 plus nerds.
Also i know most are quite genuine like yourself, you have been commentating the EU daily cups since it started? You have become a decent caster as well, this i have no problem with. Soe is probably the best female caster/host around in the scene at the moment and that is what people should be aspiring to be if your female and want to get into the scene.
Just my view! XD
|
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
|
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game
|
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
I agree, the way I think about it is if you need to label yourself as a gamer to get people's attention, then you aren't playing games for the sake of playing games. Otherwise you'd have no problem just naturally talking to others about whatever game(s) you're playing. I'd imagine if I met someone who introduced themself as a gamer I wouldn't take them very seriously at all.
|
Nice post! I largely agree.
|
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
I agree that it is ridiculous that people label themselves as such, but it is still a term that has meaning.
"Gamers," are defineable subculture to which a lot, mainly teens, subscribe. It goes beyond just playing video games and passes into using video games and its surrounding culture as a defining personality trait.
In my opinion it isn't any different from metalheads or goths in that regard. It is endulging in something to such a degree that you use it to express or define your personality.
It is less prevalant when people grow up, mostly because most subcultures don't survive the teenage stage.
|
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
This is hilarious. I'm sure the person you never talked to again would be simply crushed.
I don't think getting attention is the issue people have, rather, it's getting attention despite being untalented. Let's look at idra as a professional gamer, he VERY rarely does commentary and that is literally the only thing he offers as a streamer yet he still gets a TON of viewers because he works hard and is talented. Sure, he's ragey, but he's actually toned it down from back when streaming barely existed at all and I highly doubt he does any of it for attention. If he did, he'd be doing it every single game against every opponent and that just isn't the case. He gets viewers because he's a talented player and people appreciate that.
The issue arises when a female or male gamer gets viewers despite being untalented. In other words, he or she gets viewers by doing something gaming related that has nothing to do with the actual gaming. This happens more in the LoL community than it does in the SC community, but ultimately you have a female gamer wearing very revealing clothing and talking somewhat provocatively while playing a game or a guy that does silly stuff like wearing stupid hats or saying controversial things to get attention while having no actual talent at the game they're playing. You are watching it because you enjoy their actions and you like the idea of them being a "gamer" as well.
Now, is there an actual issue with streamers getting viewers for this? Absolutely not and I don't think this is what bothers people. The issue is the game becomes a complete aside from the stream. The stream isn't about a gamer or even games, it's about the boobs/drama/controversy. What bothers some people about this is the fact that opportunities arise out of these types of streams. The person ends up making a living off of this either by ads(very rarely as viewer counts are generally low) or by opportunities gained in the gaming community because of their notoriety while still remaining ultimately talentless.
It's similar to how reality T.V. captivates so many people despite being an absolute cess pool. The "actors" are generally talentless and play a poorly-acted persona that the writers push upon them. These people get rich as a result and we end up with more talentless people in our community that we don't want to hear about but are forced to because of their, again, notoriety.
Of course, gaming is on a much smaller scale and I'm not saying every "attention-whore(male or female)" gets money or fame. However, I believe people get angry at these types of personalities because of how little they contribute and lash out as a result. Is it warrented, justified or even fair? Probably not, but people are easily angered about much less.
I agree that people inside and outside of our community should be more accepting of people in general. However, people are so damned narcissicistic and entitled these days it's very difficult to be understanding.
Tl;dr: People don't necessarily hate the "attention-whore", they hate the fame and notoriety that comes to him/her despite being relatively talentless and giving little to nothing back to the community he or she thrived off of.
|
On August 07 2012 18:20 OptimusYale wrote:
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game
I agree wholeheartedly with the parts underlined, but I'm not so sure about your last sentence. Are you trying to say that professional gamers (hint) are not gamers just because they only play one game? Since when is it required to play a ton of games to be a gamer? Am I not a gamer if I play only 2 or 3 games but I spend 30-40 hours a week on them?
Not trying to be overly aggressive, it's just that I find what you said confusing. ^^
|
On August 07 2012 18:43 shadowboxer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl. This is hilarious. I'm sure the person you never talked to again would be simply crushed. I don't think getting attention is the issue people have, rather, it's getting attention despite being untalented. Let's look at idra as a professional gamer, he VERY rarely does commentary and that is literally the only thing he offers as a streamer yet he still gets a TON of viewers because he works hard and is talented. Sure, he's ragey, but he's actually toned it down from back when streaming barely existed at all and I highly doubt he does any of it for attention. If he did, he'd be doing it every single game against every opponent and that just isn't the case. He gets viewers because he's a talented player and people appreciate that. The issue arises when a female or male gamer gets viewers despite being untalented. In other words, he or she gets viewers by doing something gaming related that has nothing to do with the actual gaming. This happens more in the LoL community than it does in the SC community, but ultimately you have a female gamer wearing very revealing clothing and talking somewhat provocatively while playing a game or a guy that does silly stuff like wearing stupid hats or saying controversial things to get attention while having no actual talent at the game they're playing. You are watching it because you enjoy their actions and you like the idea of them being a "gamer" as well. Now, is there an actual issue with streamers getting viewers for this? Absolutely not and I don't think this is what bothers people. The issue is the game becomes a complete aside from the stream. The stream isn't about a gamer or even games, it's about the boobs/drama/controversy. What bothers some people about this is the fact that opportunities arise out of these types of streams. The person ends up making a living off of this either by ads(very rarely as viewer counts are generally low) or by opportunities gained in the gaming community because of their notoriety while still remaining ultimately talentless. It's similar to how reality T.V. captivates so many people despite being an absolute cess pool. The "actors" are generally talentless and play a poorly-acted persona that the writers push upon them. These people get rich as a result and we end up with more talentless people in our community that we don't want to hear about but are forced to because of their, again, notoriety. Of course, gaming is on a much smaller scale and I'm not saying every "attention-whore(male or female)" gets money or fame. However, I believe people get angry at these types of personalities because of how little they contribute and lash out as a result. Is it warrented, justified or even fair? Probably not, but people are easily angered about much less. I agree that people inside and outside of our community should be more accepting of people in general. However, people are so damned narcissicistic and entitled these days it's very difficult to be understanding. Tl;dr: People don't necessarily hate the "attention-whore", they hate the fame and notoriety that comes to him/her despite being relatively talentless and giving little to nothing back to the community he or she thrived off of.
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.
|
On August 07 2012 19:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.
As I said, simply crushed.
|
On August 07 2012 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 18:20 OptimusYale wrote:
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game I agree wholeheartedly with the parts underlined, but I'm not so sure about your last sentence. Are you trying to say that professional gamers (hint) are not gamers just because they only play one game? Since when is it required to play a ton of games to be a gamer? Am I not a gamer if I play only 2 or 3 games but I spend 30-40 hours a week on them? Not trying to be overly aggressive, it's just that I find what you said confusing. ^^
Idra literally dislikes video games (maybe not dislikes but doesn't find the same enjoyment from it as I or you would) don't believe he played Diablo 3 or Skyrim or any of that sort of "big" enjoyment release that most progamers took a break to play
Go ask his fanclub if you want confirmation
@dudeguy IdrA is literally one of if not the hardest working starcraft progamers out there, I as a fan appreciate how fucking hard he has worked to get to where he is going to Korea at 16 and staying in the house conditions and so on
|
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.
I agree that Idra is a hard worker and talented SC2 player. However, the reason he gets more viewers than other hard working and talented SC2 streamers is because of his personality. That's what we should be looking at here - all other things being the same, what is it that stands out about this person that draws in more viewers?
And more relevant to OP... this also is part of the reason some people have issues with female gamers or steamers. There are plenty of other people playing the same game at or around the same level, so what is it that makes them stand out? Sometimes it simply is "a girl is playing it", othertimes its about her personality in the way she interacts with the fans, and lastly, it is strictly from watching the game itself (not to say these are the only reasons or that women only fall into one of these categories, just giving some examples). When it comes down to "a girl is playing it", I do not agree that she should be looked down upon or shamed for doing it. She's having fun playing it and people are having fun watching her. That's cool. No problem here.
|
Oh dear lord, thank you for posting this.
|
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK.
|
Guys seek attention just a much as girls do - what do you think idra's attitude is about? What do you think Huk blowing kisses at his opponents is about? What do you think the Korean pre/post game banter is about?
The attention is what we CRAVE lady, being famous for playing a video game is the dream, for many of us.
I think anyone who judges people for being 'attention-seekers' has larger problems, and in many cases is guilty of 'attention-seeking' in the very act of vocally judging someone else an 'attention-seeker'. Just shake them haters off.
|
On August 07 2012 17:56 Pandemona wrote:
Difference is for me that why do most of these "attention wh.." think it's good idea to stream their games with a webcam etcetcetc. Thats the problem i have, i have met many a girl who plays games on my time playing , but i can honestly say to my knowledge 0 of them have ever streamed it, so to me every girl who is streaming is a attention wh...
And your correlation between men and women attention wh... i don't get? I can't think of any male streamer that matches the same meaning as a female attention wh... your addressing here? Maybe you could point me in the direction of one though?
However i know people are free to exploit anythng they like, and if they get hired by a gaming company to model something so be it, good for them. They pull 1000 viewers by having a webcam on their stream "gaming" so be it, good for them, i have no problem, i just prefer not to watch. The only problem i have is when it is thrown in your face and your force fed it, ie when someone is asking stupid questions at a LAN event on a stream to 20,000 plus nerds.
Also i know most are quite genuine like yourself, you have been commentating the EU daily cups since it started? You have become a decent caster as well, this i have no problem with. Soe is probably the best female caster/host around in the scene at the moment and that is what people should be aspiring to be if your female and want to get into the scene.
Just my view! XD
Why wouldn't it be a good idea? Regardless the reason. A lot of guys do that too.. you want to have contact with your viewers, they want to see you play be a real person instead of not having a webcam. Does she look provokative in any sense ? Again, her choice. No one forces another to watch it and yes she might be flirty or loving attention but truth is a lot of us do. We all want to get recognition and be liked. Even if its flirtatious. Why do people judge so quickly ? A stream is usually there for several reasons one of them is being entertaining.. if theres a chick who loves to flaunt it so what? enjoy it or just dont. It's just too easy to call out a girl for that behavior because she is a girl. By god what if she is ONLY doing it for the attention and not being genuine about the game? ( utter bullcrap ) Even people like them love the game but are flirty or are entertaining in a different way. People should stop hating and being judgemental. Narrowmindedness has to stop. Don;t watch and support an individual if you don;t find it appealing but labeling it as if you were to get people to hate one is very low. Once more a lot of guys do the same but in different ways of showcasing themselves.. a guy cant really flirt because it just doesnt work as it does with a woman.. Im not saying people who use a cam do it to flirt or anything but its the entertainment value.
People indeed do exploit but guess what.. EVERYONE does in a way.. when you start a business you "exploit " the opportunity to sell stuff to people willing to buy from you for more. Just dont forget girls are just not the same type of gamers guys are but we still do share the very same passion.
And you having a problem with someone not knowing about the game.. that is just inexperience. No one knows what theyr doing when they start off with something they want to do. Take Tasteless and Artosis. I know some find them not as appealing but in all honesty they are so familiar with the camera and the show of being a host that their whole presence is 1 big entertainment to watch.
And for your info Soe said the most ridiculous stuff when she just started she got a lot of help.. see she is genuine too.. but a girl nonetheless.. I stopped casting because this community really hated so much i am just not as strong as Kellymilkies. I just wish people would stop being so resentful.
|
On August 07 2012 17:25 Ghin wrote:
It sucks, but people say and do a lot of dumb things. I happen to enjoy female company and what other people call "attention whoring." There are also people who enjoy cannibalism.
I do too, i can say even i have been accused of such terms when i wasnt even openly doing anything and it was by some TL mod. People are full of bigotry and resentment and view others with a certain preprogrammed state of mind.
|
On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK.
I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things.
|
http://www.indiegogo.com/GAB648
It really sucks their website got hacked and show the mentality of some people.
"You called me childish, I kill you to show you"
It's not ok.
|
On August 08 2012 02:25 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK. I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things.
This applies pretty much to everything. Do you think american progamers, who for the most part are far worse than europeans, deserve all the attention they get? And do you think non korean progamers deserve their salaries when there's at least 200 korean unknown players better than all of them? I don't know what makes you think there's a solid way to establish a comparison and judge who deserves what in the first place. People just like to see new interesting stuff and also identify with personalities. The fame of some people just comes out naturally, even if sometimes it seems it's unfair and it makes no sense, because if you understand all the reasons it obviously does.
|
On August 08 2012 02:25 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK. I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things.
What if you accomplish succes with both?.. There are so many examples of people who have accomplished that position whether it's because they knew people and got their fanbase trhough that, or they are extremely rude and people find it funny or use their appearance the lack of female gamers and show their way of gaming. A lot of people who acquired a certain role wasn;t because that they were succesful at start to begin with. Success doesn't come overnight and entertainment knows a lot of ways. I love watching female gamers with game even though I am not even male. Just don't be judgemental.
|
On August 08 2012 02:38 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:25 Djzapz wrote:On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK. I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. This applies pretty much to everything. Do you think american progamers, who for the most part are far worse than europeans, deserve all the attention they get? And do you think non korean progamers deserve their salaries when there's at least 200 korean unknown players better than all of them? I don't know what makes you think there's a solid way to establish a comparison and judge who deserves what in the first place. People just like to see new interesting stuff and also identify with personalities. The fame of some people just comes out naturally, even if sometimes it seems it's unfair and it makes no sense, because if you understand all the reasons it obviously does.
I'm not saying otherwise! However, "ladies" who use their femininity to attract viewers should really look into what they're doing and think about it, because they don't deserve it a lot of the time. Right now I could start another "master level protoss streaming boring games" channel and I'd get significantly less viewers than "silver level FEMALE ZERG streaming absurdly boring games".
And yes there are a bunch of American players that just aren't very good by are very famous because they happened to be born in the US. They too should think about whether they want to be a freaking mascot or whether they want to be appreciated for their actual accomplishments.
So like I said, accomplish things, because taking the free viewers and running with it, or taking a huge EG salary without showing anything for it, you're insulting yourself.
|
On August 08 2012 02:48 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 02:25 Djzapz wrote:On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK. I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. This applies pretty much to everything. Do you think american progamers, who for the most part are far worse than europeans, deserve all the attention they get? And do you think non korean progamers deserve their salaries when there's at least 200 korean unknown players better than all of them? I don't know what makes you think there's a solid way to establish a comparison and judge who deserves what in the first place. People just like to see new interesting stuff and also identify with personalities. The fame of some people just comes out naturally, even if sometimes it seems it's unfair and it makes no sense, because if you understand all the reasons it obviously does. I'm not saying otherwise! However, "ladies" who use their femininity to attract viewers should really look into what they're doing and think about it, because they don't deserve it a lot of the time. Right now I could start another "master level protoss streaming boring games" channel and I'd get significantly less viewers than "silver level FEMALE ZERG streaming absurdly boring games". And yes there are a bunch of American players that just aren't very good by are very famous because they happened to be born in the US. They too should think about whether they want to be a freaking mascot or whether they want to be appreciated for their actual accomplishments. So like I said, accomplish things, because taking the free viewers and running with it, or taking a huge EG salary without showing anything for it, you're insulting yourself.
Can you Name a female gamer,host or w/e who you like?
|
|
|
On August 08 2012 02:52 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:48 Djzapz wrote:On August 08 2012 02:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 02:25 Djzapz wrote:On August 08 2012 01:31 ampson wrote:
Guys just call girls attention-seekers because they are jealous that women have an easier path to success in SC2 than them. When there's a male player and a female player of equal talent, the female player will have infinitely higher popularity. But, C'est la vie. Nothing can be done about it and there's no need to get salty about it. It's simply the way a heavily male-dominated scene works.
Girls may sling mud at each other because..... they're jealous of each other? IDK. I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. This applies pretty much to everything. Do you think american progamers, who for the most part are far worse than europeans, deserve all the attention they get? And do you think non korean progamers deserve their salaries when there's at least 200 korean unknown players better than all of them? I don't know what makes you think there's a solid way to establish a comparison and judge who deserves what in the first place. People just like to see new interesting stuff and also identify with personalities. The fame of some people just comes out naturally, even if sometimes it seems it's unfair and it makes no sense, because if you understand all the reasons it obviously does. I'm not saying otherwise! However, "ladies" who use their femininity to attract viewers should really look into what they're doing and think about it, because they don't deserve it a lot of the time. Right now I could start another "master level protoss streaming boring games" channel and I'd get significantly less viewers than "silver level FEMALE ZERG streaming absurdly boring games". And yes there are a bunch of American players that just aren't very good by are very famous because they happened to be born in the US. They too should think about whether they want to be a freaking mascot or whether they want to be appreciated for their actual accomplishments. So like I said, accomplish things, because taking the free viewers and running with it, or taking a huge EG salary without showing anything for it, you're insulting yourself. Can you Name a female gamer,host or w/e who you like?
Off the top of my head, I like Anna Prosser, Rachel Quirico, and Smix is awesome. Am I getting judged now?
|
Ohw you think Anna Prosser accomplished by being good..? You are exactly the hypocrit ive been talking about.. those females to start off with used their feminitiy and friends to get there where they are.. so the moral of this story is have boobs get succesful with it.
|
On August 08 2012 02:56 VampireLady wrote:
Ohw you think Anna Prosser accomplished by being good..? You are exactly the hypocrit ive been talking about.. those females to start off with used their feminitiy and friends to get there where they are.. so the moral of this story is have boobs get succesful with it.
How am I a hypocrite? I never said there was something wrong in starting with a head start. Anna Prosser proved herself, she's not a random bimbo flaunting her swag, she actually does good work in the community and works in tournament providing great interaction with the crowd and the players.
If you're so tired of being judged by people who don't know anything, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge me like that. You're a hypocrite.
Also by suggesting that Anna Prosser only used her femininity to get where she is in SC2, you're playing down your own argument.
|
Djzapz she got there by learning the job by getting introduced by her boyfriend she was had help.. and girls who " flaunt their swag " don't have a progamer bf who gets them in touch and places to even get a chance to be succesful.. .. This is exactly the hypocrisy of people..
You think another cant do what she is doing if they ever got the chance ? Again im not trying to minimize her capabilities im sure shes a nice woman and with a lot of qualities but again she got the chance because she is a woman and in this case girlfriend of a progamer and thus got into the position she is today she had major help and that swag certainly helped.. same story for people who showcase themselves on cam or w/e. Moral of the story: Stop judging the bimbo's you call could probably do way better than anyone, you do not know even if they cannot they still deserve to use whatever means necessary to get their its their choice and good luck to them.
|
Why do you just assume that I think there's anything wrong with that?
Also at the risk of sounding bad, reading your stuff is really hard because it's really messy.
|
On August 08 2012 03:04 VampireLady wrote:
Djzapz she got there by learning the job by getting introduced by her boyfriend she was had help.. and girls who " flaunt their swag " don't have a progamer bf who gets them in touch and places to even get a chance to be succesful.. .. This is exactly the hypocrisy of people..
You think another cant do what she is doing if they ever got the chance ? Again im not trying to minimize her capabilities im sure shes a nice woman and with a lot of qualities but again she got the chance because she is a woman and in this case girlfriend of a progamer and thus got into the position she is today she had major help and that swag certainly helped.. same story for people who showcase themselves on cam or w/e. Moral of the story: Stop judging the bimbo's you call could probably do way better than anyone, you do not know even if they cannot they still deserve to use whatever means necessary to get their its their choice and good luck to them.
I hate to burst your bubble vampirelady but while its an ugly truth its still usually the case that its less what you know and more about who you know.
|
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ?
|
On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ?
There's nothing wrong with it if you make something out of it. Anna accomplished something.
I use the same standards to judge men. If an actor got into Hollywood because daddy happened to be a famous movie director, he better not be a terrible actor - and people definitely shouldn't praise him because he got a free ride to Hollywood. If that's condescending then I'm sorry.
Like I said, accomplish shit.
|
On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ?
her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became
|
On August 08 2012 03:14 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? There's nothing wrong with it if you make something out of it. Anna accomplished something. I use the same standards to judge men. If an actor got into Hollywood because daddy happened to be a famous movie director, he better not be a terrible actor - and people definitely shouldn't praise him because he got a free ride to Hollywood. If that's condescending then I'm sorry. Like I said, accomplish shit.
Again Anna Prosser had a position where she accomplish way more than a girl who justs get viewers because she is a girl. They have to build a viewerbase, get into a team, and build their career from there.. and you're talking about " accomplishing real things when the position Anna Prosser has is a luxury not many of us have. So yes.. you are quick to judge those "bimbos' as you call them.
Also if daddy has a lot of money and people, you can make a song which isnt really yours but still be succesful most fo the things which are managed are done by the people behind the scenes. Accomplishment in these circumstances is very relative.
|
On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became
Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ?
Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken.
She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. I really don;t want to sound condescending i think she is doing a great job however i want to emphasize that shes not the only talented person around there are a lot but they are shut off and labeled as attentionwh... " and thus not even given a chance.. People like Djaz who say " accomplish real things" when you're not even given the chance.
|
On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of.
which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. The talent im referring to is stage presence, something that while you might scoff at its extremely important and has everything to do with confidence and personality and less to do with her figure and before you try to dismiss how important they are you should think for a moment why most casters are popular. (hint its not because day9 is analytical.
p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile?
|
How can I even argue with this incoherent ramble?
On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ?
Do you think that's all she's worth? Come on...
I'm just saying that if someone's aiming to be famous, they shouldn't take the free ride and be content with it. Anna Prosser is well, well beyond that. She got a head start, and she made something out of it. To qualify that as "looking good in a dress and being a host" is to severely downplay what she's brought to the community and you should be ashamed of what you're saying, both as a woman but also as the OP of this thread.
Anna Prosser is a very competent host who got things done after she got her head start. Stop downplaying her actual accomplishments.
What I've said here is not half as sexist as you are. If you're handed a good opportunity, take it. Then show that you're worth that opportunity. This applies to both women and men. Like Omnic said, if your friend helps you find a job, don't slack off and get money from a job you didn't technically deserve, but PROVE that you deserve the salary.
|
On August 08 2012 03:27 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile?
Well being Incontrol's gf did trigger all of it and that wouldn't have been less likely if she wasn't a progamer's girlfriend. So yea being female and being the girlfriend of a progamer certainly worked out well. As for your question about her activities i am not aware of what she does besides that no, feel free to enlighten me.
|
On August 08 2012 03:31 Djzapz wrote:How can I even argue with this incoherent ramble? Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Do you think that's all she's worth? Come on... I'm just saying that if someone's aiming to be famous, they shouldn't take the free ride and be content with it. Anna Prosser is well, well beyond that. She got a head start, and she made something out of it. To qualify that as "looking good in a dress and being a host" is to severely downplay what she's brought to the community and you should be ashamed of what you're saying, both as a woman but also as the OP of this thread. Anna Prosser is a very competent host who got things done after she got her head start. Stop downplaying her actual accomplishments. What I've said here is not half as sexist as you are. If you're handed a good opportunity, take it. Then show that you're worth that opportunity. This applies to both women and men. Like Omnic said, if your friend helps you find a job, don't slack off and get money from a job you didn't technically deserve, but PROVE that you deserve the salary.
Okay now you are, once again, assuming people who take the free ride as you call it, are content with it not aiming to go higher. People who are trying to use whatever means necessary usually do that to share their passion of the game whilst using the means available to them. Isn't that what Anna Prosser did ? Exactly... Expect her "free ride" was a lil more than just some viewers. So its hardly fair to judge them and be like " accomplish real things" . That is my problem with your hypocrisy.
As for Anna Prosser i genuinely do not know what she has done for the community my apologies I am genuinely interested enlighten me. I only know that she has been host for several occasions and now does the PR for EG.. so What am i downplaying here?.
Also your ambiguous statements confuse me, so first you judge people and make the remark of them accomplishing real things and then you're okay with people taking opportunities. Maybe im too dense but isnt that an opportunity to get recognition and aim for higher goals ? Like getting viewers then joining a team maybe and maybe even doing stuff like hosting or whatever ?..
|
On August 08 2012 03:32 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:27 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:14 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? her success has less to do with how she got started and more to due with how talented she eventually became Which talent is that? Look pretty in a dress and being a host ? Also, if you seriously think it has little to do with how she got started you are gravely mistaken. She got help and knowledge and access to positions some people can only dream of. which is how most people get entry level access to high level jobs in different fields, either they are friends/family/lovers who get the inside track. Its called nepotism and there's nothing anybody in the world can do to stop it, but this again has nothing to do with how she looks and the fact that shes female. p.s. do you really think all anne does in the esports scene is dress pretty and be a host once in awhile? Well being Incontrol's gf did trigger all of it and that wouldn't have been less likely if she wasn't a progamer's girlfriend. So yea being female and being the girlfriend of a progamer certainly worked out well. As for your question about her activities i am not aware of what she does besides that no, feel free to enlighten me.
what if anna prosser was male and incontrol was in a homosexual relationship with her/him. Would you still be making TL blogs about this?
|
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
|
Well what do you want me to say - she's a very talented and entertaining host who knows enough about the game to talk about it at least from what seems to be a fan's educated perspective. She gives good interviews and she seems genuinely interested. She's been in a number of community oriented videos and streams, and in some EG-related stuff, like discussions with the players.
She got a head start, good for her - she showed that she deserved it.
|
On August 08 2012 03:43 Djzapz wrote:
Well what do you want me to say - she's a very talented and entertaining host who knows enough about the game to talk about it at least from what seems to be a fan's educated perspective. She gives good interviews and she seems genuinely interested. She's been in a number of community oriented videos and streams, and in some EG-related stuff, like discussions with the players.
She got a head start, good for her - she showed that she deserved it.
Perfect.. so i didnt downplay anything.. and like i said good for her she does a good job. But again plenty of women who can do that but are looked down upon because people like you tell them to just accomplish stuff. Well, it doesn't work like that unfortunately people need time and opportunities as well as experience to reach that point. Sad part is some of us are cut off before we even hit that road because we took that free ride.. so i hope you wont be as judgemental as you were in that post in the future. That was my whole point not Anna Prosser and what she does.. hell thats perfect a girl who loves what shes doing and seized the moment.
|
On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard.
My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this?
I mean if you wanted to pick on somebody you could of used Kelly Milkies or somebody that obviously lacked confidence or personality to host/shoutcast or the knowledge to be successful at being an analytical caster.
|
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook.
|
On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this?
Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG.
I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more.
|
On August 08 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook.
Okay, let me try to explain once more. You are saying this "
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
If this isn't condescending i don't know what is. Again you are saying that people need to show something for it and you should be loathed if you are not. But that doesn't happen overnight either people need time and the opportunity to get those positions where they can shine but before that you need recognition and that is how some girls utilize streaming/cam to get there. So in a way you are being judgemental beforehand by implying what they're doing is not accomplishing real things.
|
On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more.
Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females.
|
On August 08 2012 04:03 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more. Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females.
Wow.. just wow.. did i critisize anything? No.. I said its okay any nepotism is okay that's how it normally works in hollywood,music business and what not but when women get an opportunity taking those opportunities even if it was because they streamed with cam they get labeled attacked right away.
|
On August 08 2012 04:10 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:03 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:57 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:52 omnic wrote:On August 08 2012 03:43 VampireLady wrote:
Omnic i think you are completely offtrack here. I am not sure if you have read the first post but my point is.. People should not judge because they want attention and reach their goals. We all use whatever means necessary to get somewhere and wanting attention or recognition by that isn't bad. So i have no problem with Anna prosser or anyone who seizes the opportunity to get somewhere showcase their talents. If anything i endorse that and wish them good luck
No, i'm actually on track because your whole point is that she got the job because she was female which she didn't she got it originally because she had an advantage over other people by knowing a pro gamer personally. Going further than that she didn't fade away because she actually brought confidence and personality to everything she did which are the two most important factors in a host/caster/pr person on screen. Offscreen she works for EG and is basically acts as a manager minus the title from what I have heard. My question remains. If she was male and got into the scene because she was in a romantic relationship with a professional gamer would you still be arguing about this? Nope, here esentially being the gf of a progamer got her where she is. Also known as using the opportunities given to you and try to get somehwere. Also, yes she is very confident and that is a basic requirement for the type of role your supposed to fulfill. And from that she has been working with EG. I am not arguing anything I am merely stating that she also grabbed the opportunity and made the best of it. And as for her gender being male not sure, possibly, but being female certainly helps being host and such and if you're a progamer's gf that helps even more. Ah so nepotism that males receive is not worthy of criticism while nepotism given to females is? I guess males really are different than females. Wow.. just wow.. did i critisize anything? No.. I said its okay any nepotism is okay that's how it normally works in hollywood,music business and what not but when women get an opportunity taking those opportunities even if it was because they streamed with cam they get labeled attacked right away.
you're criticizing anna when you admit that you wouldn't criticize her if she was a he. Using this knowledge we can deduce that you would be completely ok with everything anna has done and continues to do assuming she was a male. Meaning that you don't care how good she is at what she does you only care that she is female.
|
On August 08 2012 04:03 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook. Okay, let me try to explain once more. You are saying this " wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. " If this isn't condescending i don't know what is. Again you are saying that people need to show something for it and you should be loathed if you are not. But that doesn't happen overnight either people need time and the opportunity to get those positions where they can shine but before that you need recognition and that is how some girls utilize streaming/cam to get there. So in a way you are being judgemental beforehand by implying what they're doing is not accomplishing real things.
It truly isn't condescending. That's an example that happens to involve women, but it could just as well have been the example of an actor who got into Hollywood because of daddy, as I mentioned before. How about "I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on being IdrA's brother" or something like that.
You're not accomplishing anything if you get viewers because you're a girl or if you know someone who gave you those viewers. By itself, it's not wrong - but if you want to earn my respect, you have to do something to earn those viewers because until you do, your viewers themselves know why they're watching you and it's not a very glamorous reason.
I don't understand what's your aversion to having to earn things. Sounds like a trust fund baby trying to justify its existence. As if having stuff given to you constituted some sort of accomplishment.
|
Can someone sum up what she is bashing Anna about? I literally cannot read incoherent rambling
It seems like she's upset about Anna having Incontrol for a boyfriend and thus being in a better position to get e-famous than people without progamers for boyfriends?
|
Hasn't it always been this way? The world is cruel, you have to be better than others to get ahead. And when you're not ahead and unhappy with yourself you find a way to bring others down to your level. Everyone does it and its sad, but its the way the world works. People want to be heard and make themselves feel better because no one has everything and no one is perfectly happy with themselves.
|
On August 08 2012 04:14 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:03 VampireLady wrote:On August 08 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
I don't feel I was judgmental in any post I made. If you feel that I was, you probably missed the point.
Seize the moment all you want but show something for it. And if you get called an attention whore for it, show them that you're more than that. If your whole gig is about looking for attention, then you're just cheap entertainment and people will and should loathe you because you're Dane Cook. Okay, let me try to explain once more. You are saying this " wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it. Just accomplish real things. " If this isn't condescending i don't know what is. Again you are saying that people need to show something for it and you should be loathed if you are not. But that doesn't happen overnight either people need time and the opportunity to get those positions where they can shine but before that you need recognition and that is how some girls utilize streaming/cam to get there. So in a way you are being judgemental beforehand by implying what they're doing is not accomplishing real things. It truly isn't condescending. That's an example that happens to involve women, but it could just as well have been the example of an actor who got into Hollywood because of daddy, as I mentioned before. How about "I wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on being IdrA's brother" or something like that. You're not accomplishing anything if you get viewers because you're a girl or if you know someone who gave you those viewers. By itself, it's not wrong - but if you want to earn my respect, you have to do something to earn those viewers because until you do, your viewers themselves know why they're watching you and it's not a very glamorous reason. I don't understand what's your aversion to having to earn things. Sounds like a trust fund baby trying to justify its existence. As if having stuff given to you constituted some sort of accomplishment.
I'm not saying you should respect them just for getting viewers by having a pair of breasts but just leave them be. A lot of men are very derogatory and loathe as you said it because they do that. I'm really curious, don't you see how you prematurely take people down by having an attitude like that ?
I never claimed or mildly suggested getting viewers by being female is an accomplishment but it does lead to you getting a name, and when you have a name you will get into a team or position where you can ( for example host like Anna Prosser ) more easily. My problem here is why nepotism is okay when its Anna prosser but don;t have relatives or anyone they know cannot get there by streaming with a cam of some sort to try and get to their position.
Again, and I am not speaking chinese, there are a lot of ways that lead to Rome. One knows someone gets high position and does what she loves. The other streams gets viewers, gets a name and tries to get somewhere.
|
There's no nepotism. It all boils down to the fact that whatever you do, you have to show something for it. That's all.
Applies to everyone.
If people call you an attention whore and you're not, "haters gonna hate". If people call you an attention whore because your channel's all about the fact that you're a girl, then come on, you can do better.
Edit: Well there is nepotism actually but that's not the point. There's nepotism everywhere.
|
On August 08 2012 04:36 Djzapz wrote:
There's no nepotism. It all boils down to the fact that whatever you do, you have to show something for it. That's all.
Applies to everyone.
If people call you an attention whore and you're not, "haters gonna hate". If people call you an attention whore because your channel's all about the fact that you're a girl, then come on, you can do better.
Edit: Well there is nepotism actually but that's not the point. There's nepotism everywhere.
Ah, theres no nepotirms. So, let me get this straight all the people you mentioned as females whom you look up to just by accident happen to be a gf of a progamer or someone renowned in the community. LOL And then you edit it and say there is nepotism.. do you even have any idea what you are talking about? I highly doubt it... And again people who stream and get viewers because they are a girl might prove themselves if they get the chance but they are called out names prematurely by people like you who don't see the link between nepotism between the girls you mentioned and their favoritism and their current position. Again, i truly believe they do a good job but my problem is people who aren't that lucky are called and labeled because they use other means which is streaming getting acknowledged and then proving themselves in the scene in similar positions as the same people you seem to think highly of. You sir are a typical hypocrite, who fails to see the link.
All of this being besides the point my actual point here is, I believe everyone deserves a chance and should not be called out because they happen to be a girl and use that just like some people have an advantage over another by knowing one. And unfortunately girls also perpetuate this image by calling them out which is sad.
|
I don't know if the OP will see my post here, but I'll give it a shot...
Um, I went to Taiwan last semester and when I did, I went to Computex. There, they had a showmatch between one of the fans and a female pro gamer known as Gemma SSQ, and they picked me:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SsQ
a photo of me and SSQ: http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/eye_am_ben/MeandGemma.jpg (me in the middle, her all the way to the right).
I must say there are certain scenes where the female pro gamer is more "legit." And East Asia is one of them. When I went to an internet cafe in Taipei I saw girls on Computers playing LoL, Dota, SC2, you name it. But I don't really concern myself with it too much, I'm just glad to see that is a bit more "diverse" than in America.
There is also Korean Pro Aphrodite, whose beauty is 100% compounded with her pro skills.
Back to SSQ, she kicked my ass really badly. Bold play. TvZ (myself being Z), she opened up with helions which tricked me into going roaches and I was playing like a silver league player because I was nervous (I made all tier 1 and tier 2 tech units you could think of on two bases), I was being casted by the Day9 and Artosis equivalents of Taiwan, and a few dozen people were watching me play live. The game didn't even last 20 minutes.
The reason I brought up Aphrodite is because she totally beat SSQ in a match I saw featured on the Chinese youtube-esque website, Youku.
Frankly, I don't care about the gender of a gamer. I like to have a good time regardless, and gaming isn't really something that I look for in a trait when searching for a life-long partner, no matter how much time I spend on the ladder.
|
With all respect that I think you deserve, Suna, your statement here already made me stop reading.
Truth be told, i have seen this many times over and over.. People love to be judgemental whilst being blind to their own actions and recognition they seek. Taking someone down one way or the other gives one a pleasure of entitlement if you will or a feeling of superiority i should say. More than often this is paired with dislike and sometimes even hatred.
In the past you've been the prime example of someone who is an expert of such behaviour. I would mention the Girls of Starcraft, and that you've been publicly been chewed out and spat on the floor due to your own actions. Yet here you are, claiming that people are doing the thing that is the definition of you, and pretend to despise it. You've always been offensive, rude and insultive to those who do not follow your way, or agree with you.
What you're doing now, is coming back after laying low and being a sad hypocrit. Look into the mirror.
Edit: Highlighted the quote
|
You sound like one of those feminists who claim to say "let's be equals" but want to keep all of the favorable double standards.
|
On August 10 2012 02:21 Release wrote:
You sound like one of those feminists who claim to say "let's be equals" but want to keep all of the favorable double standards.
You have no idea how close to the truth you truly are.
|
I firmly believe that we, as a community should not judge any particular person based soley on their looks.
I believe one of the greatest allures to online gaming (particularly competitive games such a SC2 and counterstrike) is the fact that, behind your screen, no one knows who you are, they don't know if you're male or female, attractive or not. The only thing they have to judge you on is your skill and the way you carry yourself.
As Technology has advanced you see more people livestreaming with a camera to give the stream a more personal feel.
This is fine but it takes away some of that anonymity that you are given by being behind your screen. If you're willing to put yourself out there expect to be judged, it's pretty black and white. The more you give people to see, the more they have to judge you with.
I firmly believe that we should not judge someone solely on their looks, now using those looks to get ahead in a scenario where you normally would not have the skills to do so I find a bit repugnant but obviously my own views on the matter don't mean much as these people are still hitting quite high on the popularity chart.
Do I think we should judge someone just because they're a Girl or because they come off as an attention seeker? No, that's rediculous. Look at QuanticFlo for example, she's a female gamer and I'm quite sure she could beat 99% of the people ripping on female gamers. She's willing to put in the hours to improve and you can tell she's actually in it to win it.
However, when everyone knows exactly how you got a position and they don't feel you deserve it, expect the vocal minority to let you know, that's just part of being in the e-sports scene.
|
Although I agree with some of the arguments in OP's post.
I think that it originated with certain female gamers being criticized as not being "real gamers" by some male gamers (which I sometimes can't blame).
And in all honesty, I really can't stand out when there are female tournament hosts, interviewers or other community figures that obviously never played the game or don't know the name of the units / races.
I imagine now that some girl re-use the same arguments too criticize their pears.
|
On August 10 2012 02:21 Release wrote:
You sound like one of those feminists who claim to say "let's be equals" but want to keep all of the favorable double standards.
That makes me giggle.
It's not always like that. You should see me trying to convince my bf for the whole way home of giving me one of the frickin grocery store bags... Every time, for 6 months.
It's always a mix of wanting to be equal and what the other person offers/gives you. Sure, there are also people just taking advantage of it like there's no tomorrow.
I'm sorry if this is not exactly on-topic but I had to say this.
On August 10 2012 06:17 LunaSea wrote:
[...]
And in all honesty, I really can't stand out when there are female tournament hosts, interviewers or other community figures that obviously never played the game or don't know the name of the units / races.
[...]
Oh God, that is the frickin worst that can happen, to male of female. Though females are then more likely to be entitled as attention whore. (Was "as" right? Damn it.)
|
On August 10 2012 06:24 Yanami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:17 LunaSea wrote:
[...]
And in all honesty, I really can't stand out when there are female tournament hosts, interviewers or other community figures that obviously never played the game or don't know the name of the units / races.
[...] Oh God, that is the frickin worst that can happen, to male of female. Though females are then more likely to be entitled as attention whore. (Was "as" right? Damn it.)
I mean it's the same with some male community figures too.
When you have Sundance the CEO of MLG, answering the question "What's your favorite race ?" with : "Oh, um, I play as the marine.". That makes my ears bleed too.
It just happens less often with male gamers for some reason.
I guess that female community members are hired for other reasons (other standards) than the male staff...
|
On August 08 2012 03:21 VampireLady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:14 Djzapz wrote:On August 08 2012 03:10 VampireLady wrote:
wouldn't call it success when it's acquiring a modest amount of viewers largely based on one's lack of a chromosome Y. It's like being proud of your nationality when you haven't done anything to deserve it.
Just accomplish real things. "
Condescending and disaproving statement here.. why do you say this if you think there's nothing wrong with it ? There's nothing wrong with it if you make something out of it. Anna accomplished something. I use the same standards to judge men. If an actor got into Hollywood because daddy happened to be a famous movie director, he better not be a terrible actor - and people definitely shouldn't praise him because he got a free ride to Hollywood. If that's condescending then I'm sorry. Like I said, accomplish shit. Again Anna Prosser had a position where she accomplish way more than a girl who justs get viewers because she is a girl. They have to build a viewerbase, get into a team, and build their career from there.. and you're talking about " accomplishing real things when the position Anna Prosser has is a luxury not many of us have. So yes.. you are quick to judge those "bimbos' as you call them. Also if daddy has a lot of money and people, you can make a song which isnt really yours but still be succesful most fo the things which are managed are done by the people behind the scenes. Accomplishment in these circumstances is very relative.
It's all about who you know. Connections. This is true for every business sector I know. You need a good network and gee golly good for Anna for being with Geoff all those years.
Look, women are alway sizing each other up no matter the context. It's just human nature whether you want to admit it or not. We always concern ourselves with the stupidest things.
|
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
I know, really. How much gaming to do you have to do to be considered a gamer? My parents occasionally play video games, so are they "gamers"?
WAIT DON'T ANSWER THAT, it was rhetorical. If some girl wrote a post titled "I'm a girl." that would be incredibly stupid. By attaching "gamer" to that, these posers are essentially attempting to legitimize their attention-whoring. It looks tacky, no matter what the intentions behind it were.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
