Edit: read the post below if you want the same story with paragraphs and no wall of text.
So basically I'm fucking bored tonight, couldn't sleep decently for 2-3 weeks already and I'm so desperate in this moment there's nothing left to do other than this. I'll just share a couple out of my many incredibly weird and awkward stories with girls and some random thoughts on my sentimental (?) life. Before saying anything I think I should specify I never had a relationship in my life and overall it's safe to say I've never had a single experience that ended well with any girl. Everything just goes to shit over and over and now that I'm 25 if I think from an outside perspective it's actually really fun, both looking back and in the present at how awkwardly I still handle my stuff :D First story is from when I was in high school. When the 3rd year started I just lost half of my weight (used to be fat before that, after the diet I just obtained a normal body) and I felt it was time to start thinking about hitting on some girls. There was a really nice girl in my school who I really liked and since I was really shy I was day by day trying to gather enough courage to speak to her and ask for a date. I had the feeling she also liked me because she commented on me being good looking in front of other people and seemed to somehow always end up around me during the breaks. On a side note, during school breaks I used to be around my friends and sometimes when I was annoyed I would just lean on a wall, close my eyes and listen to music. There was this super annoying guy who liked to tease people touching them all the time with the tip of his fingers and I fucking HATED him. I was constantly punching, pushing and slapping him whenever he did this and he still never stopped. Back to the story, I was already prepared at every possible situation with the girl I liked and in my mind everything was perfect and I felt the moment was close to make a move. I also talked to a friend of her and she told me I should go for it. One day though the annoying guy really pissed me off and I went alone to listen music. I closed my eyes and started thinking at my own stuff. Then I felt somebody touching me, and since I was 100% sure it was the fucking annoying guy my reaction was to hit as viciously as I could in front of me. It turned out that it was not him. It was the girl, who saw me alone and thought it would be a good move to surprise me with a hug. Afterwards she was on the floor and when I realized what I did I completely panicked, and instead of giving an explaination I just walked away as fast as I could. I never had the chance to tell her the reason and that was probably the most retarded thing that ever happened in my life :D I really wanted to hit on that girl but not that way. Second story is from when I visited Cheng Du in China for WCG2009. I was competing to represent Italy in SCBW and I was there with my best friend and another one of my closest friends I met through eSports. The latter even won the grand final for a mobile game called Wise Stars against a french guy using a bug in front of thousands of people and was standing during the medal winners ceremony next to Stork LOL. Anyway when we arrived we were like 15 italian people including two managers. In our group I was probably the only person able to communicate in english and so I had to translate everything and I helped handling all the modules and the hotel stuff for everybody. There was this cute 21yo chinese girl there working with the volunteers from university who was studying english. After I spoke to her the first time she seemed quite excited and hyperactive and everybody was saying she was interested in me. Before I go ahead with the story I would like to specify that the 6 years between this and the first story were obviously filled with other super awkward/stupidly handled moments and stories and I somehow grew up from a shy teenager into a (still very awkward) super straight forward blunt tactless guy. So basically the first night we were in China she helped us getting money even though the banks were closed, we rode a cab together and she left me her phone number telling me that she would help me for whatever I needed. I told her I would invite her to dinner the next night, then she said she might be busy with the work at WCG but she would have tried to come. The next night we were called by our manager saying he was in an amazing place with a german friend who speaks chinese and he was waiting for us to eat hot pot somewhere in Cheng Du. I was excited for the tournament and everything and completely forgot about what I told the girl the night before. So we go out to get a cab and reach our manager and she's right there staring at me. She comes and asks about supper and I had to tell her we couldn't go together because we were supposed to go somewhere else. I'll never forget the look of sadness/disappointment on her face in that moment. Left me with a sick bad feeling for hours. Anyway afterwards I thought my chances with her were over, she must have thought I was a dbag (and well in that case she might have been right) and lost interest in me. I was obviously wrong because the next day she came together with a girl friend of her saying she had to take pictures to "prove to his english professor she was doing her job". I was outside my room having fun with my friends and she also gave me as a present the weirdest fruit I've ever seen. I think it was like something between a lemon, a pumpkin and a watermelon but I'm not sure right now. So we took the pictures and she only wanted to take pics with me. Afterwards she gave me a piece of paper with a number written on it saying it was her room number and that I should have visited her for anything I wanted. Then she left saying she was waiting for me. When she left my friends started going crazy saying that I totally nailed it and they kept telling me stupid shit for the next 30 minutes like "you totally have to fuck her like this and that" "she will remember this shit for the rest of her life" "just go there and make her feel how italians do it" and other retarded stuff along these lines. I was just having too much fun shit talking with them and didn't care enough to just take a shower right away and go to her room. After 30 minutes I was about to go to the shower when somebody calls my room. My two friends were there and they are both HORRIBLE at english but my best friend still answers the phone. The other one felt something was going to happen and instantly took his camera and started recording. It was her and I told him to say SHOWER SHOWER but instead he just said in broken english with italian accent something like "Carlo here talk him" and gave the phone to me. Then I obviously had to do something wrong and told her right away "Ok I'll take a shower, come to your room and fuck you". I was way too direct and she started to shy away while I kept insisting on this and in the meantime my friends were catching where the conversation was going and they were like WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU IDIOT. So I was confused and just told her "Why do you tell me to come to your room if you don't want to fuck?" she waited for around 10 seconds then replied "I... don't know" then I got pissed and said "k bye" and put down the phone. My best friend spent the next hour insulting me really hard while the other guy left the camera to record everything and took his chance to eat the lemon/grape/whatevermelon she gave to me earlier. I saw her friend the day after and she told me the poor girl cried and that I was an asshole. I honestly didn't mean it to be so bad for her but that was just my standard reaction to the situation. Anyway one of my douche friends still has the videos and reminds me of them from time to time. Looking back I guess it was an huge epic fail but at the same time I am amazed at how bad I handled that and still think of it as something incredibly epic and fun. I guess if my friends weren't there it would have gone differently. I still think it was better like this than just do everything in a boring right way and get laid. I just felt really bad for her when I realized I was at fault and now she probably thinks italian guys are douchebags. I was honestly just bad at handling the situation and I really hate hurting other people, but it seems that I just can't avoid these kind of things to happen.
So these were my two girl stories tonight. I actually had worse and more awkward things happening with other girls in other occasions, especially lately, but I've already written too much and I guess I shouldn't taint my public image more than I just did (lol). I'm actually a very sensitive person and I always hope for things to work out well, but it seems my personality is strongly against it. Even if I suck with girls though at least I can play Starcraft. Too bad I didn't pick zerg.
So basically I'm fucking bored tonight, couldn't sleep decently for 2-3 weeks already and I'm so desperate in this moment there's nothing left to do other than this. I'll just share a couple out of my many incredibly weird and awkward stories with girls and some random thoughts on my sentimental (?) life.
Before saying anything I think I should specify I never had a relationship in my life and overall it's safe to say I've never had a single experience that ended well with any girl. Everything just goes to shit over and over and now that I'm 25 if I think from an outside perspective it's actually really fun, both looking back and in the present at how awkwardly I still handle my stuff :D
First story is from when I was in high school. When the 3rd year started I just lost half of my weight (used to be fat before that, after the diet I just obtained a normal body) and I felt it was time to start thinking about hitting on some girls. There was a really nice girl in my school who I really liked and since I was really shy I was day by day trying to gather enough courage to speak to her and ask for a date. I had the feeling she also liked me because she commented on me being good looking in front of other people and seemed to somehow always end up around me during the breaks.
On a side note, during school breaks I used to be around my friends and sometimes when I was annoyed I would just lean on a wall, close my eyes and listen to music. There was this super annoying guy who liked to tease people touching them all the time with the tip of his fingers and I fucking HATED him. I was constantly punching, pushing and slapping him whenever he did this and he still never stopped.
Back to the story, I was already prepared at every possible situation with the girl I liked and in my mind everything was perfect and I felt the moment was close to make a move. I also talked to a friend of her and she told me I should go for it. One day though the annoying guy really pissed me off and I went alone to listen music. I closed my eyes and started thinking at my own stuff. Then I felt somebody touching me, and since I was 100% sure it was the fucking annoying guy my reaction was to hit as viciously as I could in front of me. It turned out that it was not him. It was the girl, who saw me alone and thought it would be a good move to surprise me with a hug. Afterwards she was on the floor and when I realized what I did I completely panicked, and instead of giving an explaination I just walked away as fast as I could. I never had the chance to tell her the reason and that was probably the most retarded thing that ever happened in my life :D I really wanted to hit on that girl but not that way.
Second story is from when I visited Cheng Du in China for WCG2009. I was competing to represent Italy in SCBW and I was there with my best friend and another one of my closest friends I met through eSports. The latter even won the grand final for a mobile game called Wise Stars against a french guy using a bug in front of thousands of people and was standing during the medal winners ceremony next to Stork LOL. Anyway when we arrived we were like 15 italian people including two managers. In our group I was probably the only person able to communicate in english and so I had to translate everything and I helped handling all the modules and the hotel stuff for everybody. There was this cute 21yo chinese girl there working with the volunteers from university who was studying english. After I spoke to her the first time she seemed quite excited and hyperactive and everybody was saying she was interested in me.
Before I go ahead with the story I would like to specify that the 6 years between this and the first story were obviously filled with other super awkward/stupidly handled moments and stories and I somehow grew up from a shy teenager into a (still very awkward) super straight forward blunt tactless guy.
So basically the first night we were in China she helped us getting money even though the banks were closed, we rode a cab together and she left me her phone number telling me that she would help me for whatever I needed. I told her I would invite her to dinner the next night, then she said she might be busy with the work at WCG but she would have tried to come. The next night we were called by our manager saying he was in an amazing place with a german friend who speaks chinese and he was waiting for us to eat hot pot somewhere in Cheng Du. I was excited for the tournament and everything and completely forgot about what I told the girl the night before. So we go out to get a cab and reach our manager and she's right there staring at me. She comes and asks about supper and I had to tell her we couldn't go together because we were supposed to go somewhere else. I'll never forget the look of sadness/disappointment on her face in that moment. Left me with a sick bad feeling for hours. Anyway afterwards I thought my chances with her were over, she must have thought I was a dbag (and well in that case she might have been right) and lost interest in me. I was obviously wrong because the next day she came together with a girl friend of her saying she had to take pictures to "prove to his english professor she was doing her job". I was outside my room having fun with my friends and she also gave me as a present the weirdest fruit I've ever seen. I think it was like something between a lemon, a pumpkin and a watermelon but I'm not sure right now. So we took the pictures and she only wanted to take pics with me.
Afterwards she gave me a piece of paper with a number written on it saying it was her room number and that I should have visited her for anything I wanted. Then she left saying she was waiting for me. When she left my friends started going crazy saying that I totally nailed it and they kept telling me stupid shit for the next 30 minutes like "you totally have to fuck her like this and that" "she will remember this shit for the rest of her life" "just go there and make her feel how italians do it" and other retarded stuff along these lines. I was just having too much fun shit talking with them and didn't care enough to just take a shower right away and go to her room. After 30 minutes I was about to go to the shower when somebody calls my room. My two friends were there and they are both HORRIBLE at english but my best friend still answers the phone. The other one felt something was going to happen and instantly took his camera and started recording. It was her and I told him to say SHOWER SHOWER but instead he just said in broken english with italian accent something like "Carlo here talk him" and gave the phone to me. Then I obviously had to do something wrong and told her right away "Ok I'll take a shower, come to your room and fuck you". I was way too direct and she started to shy away while I kept insisting on this and in the meantime my friends were catching where the conversation was going and they were like WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU IDIOT. So I was confused and just told her "Why do you tell me to come to your room if you don't want to fuck?" she waited for around 10 seconds then replied "I... don't know" then I got pissed and said "k bye" and put down the phone.
My best friend spent the next hour insulting me really hard while the other guy left the camera to record everything and took his chance to eat the lemon/grape/whatevermelon she gave to me earlier. I saw her friend the day after and she told me the poor girl cried and that I was an asshole. I honestly didn't mean it to be so bad for her but that was just my standard reaction to the situation. Anyway one of my douche friends still has the videos and reminds me of them from time to time. Looking back I guess it was an huge epic fail but at the same time I am amazed at how bad I handled that and still think of it as something incredibly epic and fun. I guess if my friends weren't there it would have gone differently. I still think it was better like this than just do everything in a boring right way and get laid. I just felt really bad for her when I realized I was at fault and now she probably thinks italian guys are douchebags. I was honestly just bad at handling the situation and I really hate hurting other people, but it seems that I just can't avoid these kind of things to happen.
So these were my two girl stories tonight. I actually had worse and more awkward things happening with other girls in other occasions, especially lately, but I've already written too much and I guess I shouldn't taint my public image more than I just did (lol). I'm actually a very sensitive person and I always hope for things to work out well, but it seems my personality is strongly against it. Even if I suck with girls though at least I can play Starcraft. Too bad I didn't pick zerg.
Then I felt somebody touching me, and since I was 100% sure it was the fucking annoying guy my reaction was to hit as viciously as I could in front of me. It turned out that it was not him. It was the girl, who saw me alone and thought it would be a good move to surprise me with a hug. Afterwards she was on the floor and when I realized what I did I completely panicked, and instead of giving an explaination I just walked away as fast as I could. I never had the chance to tell her the reason and that was probably the most retarded thing that ever happened in my life :D I really wanted to hit on that girl but not that way.
Cloud, impressing the ladies by either punching them or telling them they should fuck him, you sir are one classy motherfucker. Almost as classy as Torte for putting your wall of text into paragraph form , WP TDL, WP.
Seriously though cloud. these are funny, I'd love enjoy seeing more haha.
Not sure, not sure. This sounds really reaaaally awkward. But there was also a little bit of luck. This girl talked to you after you failed the first time, she must have been really nice and friendly. If someone did somethin' like this to me, I'd slap him around the world. But all in all you just need a girl understanding your weird behaviour. But'll find a girl at some point in ur life.
Oh cloud how i love you <3 Your so funny xD But still, missing out on a night of "italian passion" with a chinese uni student, wow dog, you dropped the ball xD
The first girl story was ouch mode xD Poor girl just wanted to give you a hug, and pow you dropped the haymaker on her
I really wanted to hit on that girl but not that way.
hahaha
as painful/awkward as they might be these stories are sure as hell 10x more entertaining than any "how i got friendzoned by the girl im so supermuch in love with"-blog #96162
i guess since youre a sensitive guy you need to think about how sensitive others might be towards the things you say then again you surely know that Hopefully youre gonna be luckier soon enough :p
I'm going to be the one breaking this ridiculous etiquette where every progamer gets a pat on the back for any action whatsoever, be it good or bad.
Will be skipping first part, as second is what determined me to painstakingly recover my mail and account and write this.
Some girls are so easy-going, feminine, confident, just being around and with them is a privilege, while others are the exact opposite, the issues culminating in bed where just getting them to unwind, let alone allow themselves to be sexual is a challenge.
Past experiences shape us one way or the other. Not saying such pattern is irreversible, but uncalled for, that is when referring to bad ones that could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Can't stress this enough for women, as for guys like me and the rest of 3 bil, recovery is, or should be, much easier i.e. grow balls
You however, had this normal girl who went out her way to please you and mustered up the courage to booty-call you, and not only do you blow it in the most insensible way possible, making her feel like a whore, but also scar her. I hope, for her sake, she had found a worthy guy to put her back on her tracks, as you were probably too chicken just to say sorry and move on.
The thing about ladies which most are way too blind to ever consider is they will do anything for you as long as they feel respected and you keep the sex life private. Anything.
But hey, you can always go for the stallion charade in front of two other morons. Epic and fun indeed. Thank God you're bad with girls and things don't escalate, you'd only hurt more of them in your current state.
On August 07 2012 21:52 russian wrote: I'm going to be the one breaking this ridiculous etiquette where every progamer gets a pat on the back for any action whatsoever, be it good or bad.
Will be skipping first part, as second is what determined me to painstakingly recover my mail and account and write this.
Some girls are so easy-going, feminine, confident, just being around and with them is a privilege, while others are the exact opposite, the issues culminating in bed where just getting them to unwind, let alone allow themselves to be sexual is a challenge.
Past experiences shape us one way or the other. Not saying such pattern is irreversible, but uncalled for, that is when referring to bad ones that could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Can't stress this enough for women, as for guys like me and the rest of 3 bil, recovery is, or should be, much easier i.e. grow balls
You however, had this normal girl who went out her way to please you and mustered up the courage to booty-call you, and not only do you blow it in the most insensible way possible, making her feel like a whore, but also scar her. I hope, for her sake, she had found a worthy guy to put her back on her tracks, as you were probably too chicken just to say sorry and move on.
The thing about ladies which most are way too blind to ever consider is they will do anything for you as long as they feel respected and you keep the sex life private. Anything.
But hey, you can always go for the stallion charade in front of two other morons. Epic and fun indeed. Thank God you're bad with girls and things don't escalate, you'd only hurt more of them in your current state.
Dude I was just being myself and just said things as they were going on in my mind. If anything I learned from that experience that some girls tend to think they are treated like whores if you are so open to them about sex, while I see nothing wrong about it. It's not that I wanted to act like an asshole and didn't care, it was more like things somehow ended up that way.
On July 20 2008 05:17 aTnClouD wrote: Well actually when I was like 14 I remember masturbating over my sister when we were watching The Mummy. I was on the bed covered with my blanket and she was on a chair dressed like a bitch in the hot summer. Then when I came she noticed something was going on and she laughed and kissed me on the cheek. That was just totally weird
That was even worse than me! You sir, have got talent. Of course, you just had to fit that balance whine in at the end right there. (not that I don't believe zerg is better than terran at the moment. The races seem to have a form of rock/paper/scissors going on at the moment)
I peronally would be interested in some stories from Germany, i think u got me but im not saying more because i would risk a ban and im a nice person ^_^
You say it's your personality, but I get the impression it's more that your er... lack of game knowledge and empathy concerning dealing with women is so lacking that you come off as an asshole when you're really not
On August 07 2012 21:52 russian wrote: I'm going to be the one breaking this ridiculous etiquette where every progamer gets a pat on the back for any action whatsoever, be it good or bad.
Will be skipping first part, as second is what determined me to painstakingly recover my mail and account and write this.
Some girls are so easy-going, feminine, confident, just being around and with them is a privilege, while others are the exact opposite, the issues culminating in bed where just getting them to unwind, let alone allow themselves to be sexual is a challenge.
Past experiences shape us one way or the other. Not saying such pattern is irreversible, but uncalled for, that is when referring to bad ones that could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Can't stress this enough for women, as for guys like me and the rest of 3 bil, recovery is, or should be, much easier i.e. grow balls
You however, had this normal girl who went out her way to please you and mustered up the courage to booty-call you, and not only do you blow it in the most insensible way possible, making her feel like a whore, but also scar her. I hope, for her sake, she had found a worthy guy to put her back on her tracks, as you were probably too chicken just to say sorry and move on.
The thing about ladies which most are way too blind to ever consider is they will do anything for you as long as they feel respected and you keep the sex life private. Anything.
But hey, you can always go for the stallion charade in front of two other morons. Epic and fun indeed. Thank God you're bad with girls and things don't escalate, you'd only hurt more of them in your current state.
If it was some random dude telling us the story, I would also pat him on the back for sharing. Yes he tried to be an Italian Stallion and failed miserably. Yes what he said was spiteful and dumb. No the post did not condone nor encourage his actions.
I hope others have the courage to share their stories like Cloud did. As long as we learn, it is okay to laugh at such past experiences.
On August 07 2012 21:52 russian wrote: I'm going to be the one breaking this ridiculous etiquette where every progamer gets a pat on the back for any action whatsoever, be it good or bad.
Will be skipping first part, as second is what determined me to painstakingly recover my mail and account and write this.
Some girls are so easy-going, feminine, confident, just being around and with them is a privilege, while others are the exact opposite, the issues culminating in bed where just getting them to unwind, let alone allow themselves to be sexual is a challenge.
Past experiences shape us one way or the other. Not saying such pattern is irreversible, but uncalled for, that is when referring to bad ones that could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Can't stress this enough for women, as for guys like me and the rest of 3 bil, recovery is, or should be, much easier i.e. grow balls
You however, had this normal girl who went out her way to please you and mustered up the courage to booty-call you, and not only do you blow it in the most insensible way possible, making her feel like a whore, but also scar her. I hope, for her sake, she had found a worthy guy to put her back on her tracks, as you were probably too chicken just to say sorry and move on.
The thing about ladies which most are way too blind to ever consider is they will do anything for you as long as they feel respected and you keep the sex life private. Anything.
But hey, you can always go for the stallion charade in front of two other morons. Epic and fun indeed. Thank God you're bad with girls and things don't escalate, you'd only hurt more of them in your current state.
No one disagrees with you, we're not patting him on the back for being "the man" we're all laughing at how his stupid decisions ruined a pleasant situation. He goes to great lengths in the story to describe how dumb he knew that was and how he messed up really terribly. He clearly knows that's not an appropriate way to handle it and says as much.
I don't really understand this meme (if you can call it that). The about section of knowyourmeme.com isn't very clear but from what I understand you're implying ClouD's story being copypasta or something?
I don't really understand this meme (if you can call it that). The about section of knowyourmeme.com isn't very clear but from what I understand you're implying ClouD's story being copypasta or something?
Spaghetti starts falling out of my pockets is a /v/ meme.
On August 08 2012 07:48 Sigh wrote: Haha how brutally awkward. Share more of your stories! Any chance we could see that recording of you talking to that chinese girl on the phone? LOL
On August 08 2012 09:46 obesechicken13 wrote: God this is hard to read. Opening in word.
Do people just ignore the very first line or something?
He didn't actually ask a question. But if you want us to be sensitive...
@Cloud Look at how we're responding to your story. Now pretend that someone else told that story about himself. Pretty funny isn't it? What does it matter if you've failed in the past. Forget about it and try some more. It's better to have tried 1000 times and succeed once than it is to have tried twice and never succeed. Hell, once you succeed you'll be laughing at the 1000 times you failed including these two.
I don't know if you're diffident or you bad at these situations but my advice to you is: Next time you are at a social situation, go up to the hottest chick in the crowd and hit on her. Doesn't matter if she is married. Do it.
Oh my god my stomach hurts, I just finished eating then I read this ohhh my god. I am sorry but I can't help laughing at your expense xD These stories.
I think in the last years I somehow developed such a twisted way of dealing with these things that I'd rather be more comfortable to see everything go to shit than trying to make things work. It kinda sucks but at the same time I've never known anybody happy with a relationship for more than few months and also interacting with girls (or boys from girls perspective) is also more about playing a game than just being yourself.
On August 09 2012 16:25 aTnClouD wrote: I think in the last years I somehow developed such a twisted way of dealing with these things that I'd rather be more comfortable to see everything go to shit than trying to make things work. It kinda sucks but at the same time I've never known anybody happy with a relationship for more than few months and also interacting with girls (or boys from girls perspective) is also more about playing a game than just being yourself.
Beeing in a relationship is always a life with compromises and patience since you never ever will find a partner that fits 100% for you. Ar the moment your life is based on SC2, fun, friends and not really good for starting a relationship, you know that and maybe thats why you act on girls like a ass. You don´t want to choose between game and girl yet. Since i know you as a sensitive guy and not as a "italian douchbag" i am sure one day you will be ready for a normal life with a girl .
All I can say that ClouD you are really one wierd guy No offense not insulting you with this or anything please don't missunderstand me. On the other hand I think you should combine the old shy ClouD with the new direct ClouD. Balance it but not in Blizzard TvZ mode And also, imo you have an interesting personality, pretty unique, what girls like.
On August 08 2012 07:48 Sigh wrote: Haha how brutally awkward. Share more of your stories! Any chance we could see that recording of you talking to that chinese girl on the phone? LOL
On July 20 2008 05:17 aTnClouD wrote: Well actually when I was like 14 I remember masturbating over my sister when we were watching The Mummy. I was on the bed covered with my blanket and she was on a chair dressed like a bitch in the hot summer. Then when I came she noticed something was going on and she laughed and kissed me on the cheek. That was just totally weird
I think it is.
wwwwwttfff Cloud, I can't believe more people did notice this. Hilarious blog btw, the lateblog subtle balance whine is the best kind ^.^
Listen to me. Years later you will still regret every one of these. Unless you cleanse yourself by fucking every creature that you want to fuck, you will not find any solace. These were clearly burnt into your memory, don't make a mistake of trying to jar them by forming a relationship before you exorsize the demons.
On August 08 2012 07:48 Sigh wrote: Haha how brutally awkward. Share more of your stories! Any chance we could see that recording of you talking to that chinese girl on the phone? LOL
This thread is so freaking epic. Good writing btw it was a pleasant reading. (HOTS is coming you know what you've to do ClouD, the dark side is calling you :p)