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Hong Kong9154 Posts
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Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
What are you talking about. This is a great initiative.
If some people are planning on leaving with the conclusion of BW or just generally move on, this is a good time to accumulate as much info on the scene as possible to have a complete archive of its history. Since new information isn't going to be coming out in floods now, its a good idea to redirect resources to filling in gaps that were missed in the past. Don't be a hater.
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United States3241 Posts
On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
Did you even read the OP? He wants to preserve the facts (the past) so that anyone who's interested in reading about Brood War in the future can have access to the information.
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I wish I could do more.
Sadly, I only got into Starcraft truly when SC2 came out and don't know much. But, anything I learn and know will go on there. BW is the reason why we're all here for SC, one way or another, and it will never die for us.
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On August 05 2012 11:58 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it. Did you even read the OP? He wants to preserve the facts (the past) so that anyone who's interested in reading about Brood War in the future can have access to the information.
amen. the more information available, the better.
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On August 05 2012 11:58 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it. Did you even read the OP? He wants to preserve the facts (the past) so that anyone who's interested in reading about Brood War in the future can have access to the information.
the brood war were a proud and richeous people who thought that soju was alcohol at its purest and believed that suicide after ee han timings were the purest form of enlightenment. temples will rise and wither to dust, but the proud brood war will always remain. "deep roots are not touched by the frost" -ian mchelen
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we basically just need to import every post on teamliquid and in the TLPD into liquipedia...
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Estonia4644 Posts
yes yes yes
all hands aboard!
go jon!
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
It might be a good idea to make a list of the pages that have gaps it would make it easier for people to hop in and add stuff where it's needed.
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On August 05 2012 19:26 imallinson wrote:
It might be a good idea to make a list of the pages that have gaps it would make it easier for people to hop in and add stuff where it's needed.
Basically every page could at least be checked for typos, spelling and grammar.
Also, you can check this here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345229
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
Already kind off on it 
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Liquipedia needs to get vod integration like TLPD does, but I think the real thing that should be done is create a server operated by TL to archive the vods on so that if anywhere goes down, accounts get deleted, sites change, etc. the vods will still be there.
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Sweden5554 Posts
"needs to get"? as far as I know we have the templates in place for it, just people who need to add the links.
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Hyrule19053 Posts
On August 05 2012 19:26 imallinson wrote:
It might be a good idea to make a list of the pages that have gaps it would make it easier for people to hop in and add stuff where it's needed.
here I made a list
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 05 2012 23:44 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 19:26 imallinson wrote:
It might be a good idea to make a list of the pages that have gaps it would make it easier for people to hop in and add stuff where it's needed. here I made a list
Well if it's only every page we should have it done in no time
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Oh wow... someone must create a Nada's Body entry... it should never die....
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Israel2209 Posts
Great blog Tank
Jaedong is a good example for everything great with this world.
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On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
User was temp banned for this post.
I surprised this was only a temp ban. A pretty freaking low blow to the people who even made this site possible.
I'm an SC2 baby, so I can't help. But I would love to see people contribute. I have definitely spent my fair share of time perusing the BW wiki to try and catch up on the history that I have missed leading up to the era I currently follow. Preservation of information is a great thing, especially for something with a huge legacy that BW has.
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On August 05 2012 23:58 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 23:44 tofucake wrote:On August 05 2012 19:26 imallinson wrote:
It might be a good idea to make a list of the pages that have gaps it would make it easier for people to hop in and add stuff where it's needed. here I made a list Well if it's only every page we should have it done in no time
Actually, yes. Many of the pages right now are not only a bit ugly, but also do not give you more informations than infoboxes, in the best cases grids and results. This is cool, but I can't see how that is helpful for any user that wants to have an idea what really happened. A lot of events, teams and player profiles are completely missing - especially the foreigners need a lot of work.
You can basically hit the "Random Page" link a few times and check for typos, spelling and so on. As soon as you find something that interests you, you can do research. Check the sources. See if you can add information, provide background (Battle Reports, overall context explanations, screen shots, trailers, ...) and start right off. Lucky for us, a lot of information is already there. So indeed, if only a couple of users add a line here and there, fix this and that, the whole thing will look a lot better. This doesn't even require a lot of time.
Believe me, you can actually enjoy playing detective and work on that. It has some sort of creative character to it. Sometimes at least. And you get coins. Coins are good!
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Hong Kong9154 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:32 Oiseaux wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
User was temp banned for this post. I surprised this was only a temp ban. A pretty freaking low blow to the people who even made this site possible. I'm an SC2 baby, so I can't help. But I would love to see people contribute. I have definitely spent my fair share of time perusing the BW wiki to try and catch up on the history that I have missed leading up to the era I currently follow. Preservation of information is a great thing, especially for something with a huge legacy that BW has.
While the focus of this thread is the BW section of Liquipedia, feel free to contribute to SC2 Liquipedia as well!
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Brood War has cookies and chat channels!
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Long live Liquipedia, the Brood War Bible. Hopefully some of those who were lucky enough to follow this scene from the beginnings can help add some information. Unfortunately I never even knew a competitive scene existed until SC2 was announced, I grew up as a custom game/campaign BW noob  . If I find areas that I can add to the information I will gladly help edit some bits of information in. Great thread idea.
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I'm going to slowly update all the proleague's with the results, but I'm afraid I don't have the background knowledge to really add anything. It doesn't help that TLPD has events mixed up either :/ (it has the 2006 SKY proleague results in the 2005 SKY proleague section).
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What about doing a reverse of what Liquid normally does with things like gifts and cheerfuls to players. By that I mean send out a letter to BW teams, players and organizers for their input on thier history and general information. Maybe include some little known details as well. If Team Liquid shows them Liquidpedia and all the history our crack team of editors has added, perhaps they would take a little time to fill out a form or send a letter back to us.
Can't get much better then getting data straight from the source. I think they would appreciate it as well seeing a massive and detailed archive of all their hard work (even if it is in english). A kind of monument to BW history.
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I'll take care of the typos.
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Awesome, I would love to be able to read more about it.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Excellent initiative tank! <3
I'm planning do a tutorial on HowToEditOldAssProleague pages on the Liquipedia stream in ~1.5 hours (2:30pm CEST, 12:30 GMT (+00:00) local) since we got a bunch of that left undone and it's pretty easy to pick up. Tune in if you're interested! I'll put the VOD up later.
edit: VOD!
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I've added/edited vods for some MSLs, and will try to do more soon.
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Started editing on  Perfectman, not really sure where to put what though.
And all the info stems from TLPD; are those kinds of updates really necessary? Tried to google some background info but it was really hard, esp. since i cant read korean ...
Cheers for the initiative!
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Hyrule19053 Posts
TLPD doesn't store things like "Player A popularized build B in tournament C round D against opponent E" and the like.
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It is really hard to edit BWLP since a lot of the info isn't common knowledge. I guess I can be content in trying ot fix it when I have time later.
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Awesome idea behind this Tank! :D Sadly my knowledge is limited to only the last couple of years in BW and only from reading a few articles and watching VODs. I hope those who have been around for awhile will help out the BW TLPD sections!
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On August 07 2012 01:05 TheRealNanMan wrote:
Awesome idea behind this Tank! :D Sadly my knowledge is limited to only the last couple of years in BW and only from reading a few articles and watching VODs. I hope those who have been around for awhile will help out the BW TLPD sections!
I think that there will be quite a lot of foreign BW content to add soon with the ABC initiative
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Really great initiative. Whilst BW may have had its apparent final night in the spotlight now, even if it is to never reclaim past glories the rich history it spawned should be remembered.
This is the game that set E-sports off as a genuine going concern - if it isn't recorded now, we'll look back in decades time and be so disappointed that its legacy isn't available to be remembered.
I really hope this initiative does well.
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This is awesome - I keep up with the general video game scene, and for the past few months game preservation has become a bigger issue as older systems start to fail and we lose access to the games of yore. This initiative dovetails nicely with that - BW has probably the most storied history of any game (or pretty close, at any rate!) and preserving its past is a worthy cause.
I'm not sure exactly what I can do, given that I only came into the BW scene in 2008 or so, and it seems like most of the information needed stems from the early days of BW, but I'm still up for the task.
Putting this here both for myself and for others: it strikes me that one of the best ways to glean info on any given subject is to search on TL main for it; I'd bet that if you simply plug a progamer's name into the search function you will get lots of juicy threads with detail that can be folded into Liquipedia. Of course googling is another strategy, and perhaps using google to search TL will yield good results.
Anyway, hopefully I'll be able to help in some small way.
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There is a pretty popular random wiki in Korea called Angelhalo wiki(recently changed to RigVeda wiki) and they have an amazing amount of(albeit biased and not necessarily well written/organized) information regarding BroodWar and it's professional scene.
Their Starcraft 1 portal(there's a section for e-sports):
http://rigvedawiki.net/r1/wiki.php/스타크래프트
Their full list of BW tournaments from 1999:
http://rigvedawiki.net/r1/wiki.php/역대 스타리그 일람
That might serve as a pretty extensive Korean source if someone's willing to translate parts from it.
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Writing a blog on how to get started on any wiki right now, should be out in a couple days.
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On August 07 2012 08:47 thekoalaz wrote:There is a pretty popular random wiki in Korea called Angelhalo wiki(recently changed to RigVeda wiki) and they have an amazing amount of(albeit biased and not necessarily well written/organized) information regarding BroodWar and it's professional scene. Their Starcraft 1 portal(there's a section for e-sports): http://rigvedawiki.net/r1/wiki.php/스타크래프트Their full list of BW tournaments from 1999: http://rigvedawiki.net/r1/wiki.php/역대 스타리그 일람That might serve as a pretty extensive Korean source if someone's willing to translate parts from it.
Great find, this looks like a huge knowledge base but Google Translate can only take me so far. Wish I knew Korean
I love this thread, the preservation of information and history is such a heroic endeavour it'll be great to see it completed.
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I didn't follow BW so I can't help much here, but I did find a page with errors and fix them. It's actually pretty fun looking through the old tournaments and results, seeing a lot of names I recognize and watching the flow of best players as you go from tournament to tournament, year to year. Wish I had known about all this back then, I would have been all over it like I am today XD
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Never really played Broodwar much, but I am sad for this. Broodwar <3
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 08 2012 02:10 Rad wrote:
I didn't follow BW so I can't help much here, but I did find a page with errors and fix them. It's actually pretty fun looking through the old tournaments and results, seeing a lot of names I recognize and watching the flow of best players as you go from tournament to tournament, year to year. Wish I had known about all this back then, I would have been all over it like I am today XD
There is also a load of stuff where tournament results are in TLPD and not on LP. I'm transposing a ton of old OSL results where the the early rounds just haven't been filled in.
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Hyrule19053 Posts
On August 08 2012 03:09 Psychonian wrote:
Never really played Broodwar much, but I am sad for this. Broodwar <3
Brood War*
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I didnt know you'd get banned on TL for having an unpopular opinion, certainly can't remember reading it in the rules. To avoid confusion in the future, and give uninitiated members a chance to escape the banhammer you might want to amend the rules to say something along the lines of
"Should you post a statement about Brood War, and that statement does not indicate that you wish to proverbially suck Brood War dick, or if you were to indicate in any manner - even by accident - that Brood War is not currently and forever the epitome of awesomeness, or if you fail to acknowledge the undisputable tautological fact that Brood War is The ultimate game and should be held on a pedestal before which you must bow and worship-- should you fail any of the above you will be banned motherfucker, so shut the fuck up BROOD WAR IS THE BEST LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALALA"
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Australia1191 Posts
Gmarshal and i have bee slowly working on Proleague for awhile when we have time, if your interested in helping with anything Proleague related and have any questions or need any help ask me or Gmarshal
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I don't know what i can do, but if you can think of something someone with a bit of free time can do to help feel free to pm me with what you want me to try.
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brood war had good game, pick ur defense RIP
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On August 05 2012 11:53 Lineridarz wrote:
Just let BW die man, it had its funeral, it's over... it's sad but you just have to come to accept it.
User was temp banned for this post.
Terrible troll.
@OP great initiative, I can't wait to peruse it later
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I'll try to work on notable games for the players listed during the next month. I started making the notable games thing more uniform across LP, might go to doing that as well. I like making it clear which games are which and why they are notable.
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Hong Kong9154 Posts
On August 09 2012 00:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:
I don't know what i can do, but if you can think of something someone with a bit of free time can do to help feel free to pm me with what you want me to try.
On the front page I listed a number of empty/near empty pages that could do some work. Some of my fellow editors have suggested just hitting the random page link available on the left column and just seeing what you get. Every little edit here and there helps a ton!
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I'm an SC2 baby as well, but the recent "end" of Brood War has been incredible for me to watch. Brood War fans are the coolest individuals of all time, and they wear the game and its legacy so nobly. I can only hope when SC2 is long gone its fans are awesome enough to bury the game the way Brood War fans did.
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