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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
July 17 2012 04:31 GMT
#1
Why do people believe what they believe? One of my go-to phrases in college was, "Well, my problem isn't with this (political) point of view or stance per se, it's more with the reasoning behind it."

I feel most people rarely sit down and think about why they are the way they are. Life just happens. Perhaps occasionally when you get into a conversation with a friend about why "Barack Obama is destroying America" you get a glimpse into their thought process (or lack thereof, in some cases), but for the most part we just absorb things into our belief system unconsciously, and that makes it hard to imagine why others might think otherwise. This will be an ongoing series in which I pick out random things I believe (well, probably not so random), figuring out what in my life experience caused me to take this stance, and whether or not that still makes sense now that I've thought about it some more. I highly encourage everyone to try this out - it can be quite fascinating, or terrifying.

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1. Ramen

OK, so I won't be starting with anything particularly deep or thought provoking. I basically made a list of random things I could talk about, and some things were there due to interest (no doubt I shall talk about StarCraft again), but others to challenge myself to think of something witty to say about any given topic.

I was a pretty sheltered kid growing up. In the States I lived in suburbs with pools and green lawns. Like almost every single middle-class ABC, I learned to play the violin (starting when I was 4 years old). I also got to play team soccer and hockey, go to YMCA and music camps, and other fun things.

In the midst of all this though, I never learned how to do the laundry. I don't mean using a washboard and scrubbing away with soap, I mean I didn't even know how to run a washing machine or dryer. I also never learned how to cook. I could make PB&Js, and I knew to add the cereal *before* milk, otherwise it would get soggy too quickly.

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Gosu cook am I.

In other words, I was somewhat imbalanced. I could draw, I could swim, I could play music, I could sing... but I had no basic life skills. This seems to be the case for many kids in modern Taiwan as well. The emphasis on good test scores above all else compels many parents to set their kids up in an ideal study environment. Don't worry about doing the dishes, just go study. Don't waste time learning to cook, you'll figure it out later, just go study. Don't waste time hanging out with friends and learning how to socialize, just go study. Of course, parents mean well - and to a certain extent, I do believe that education can indeed be a great equalizer. And yet, it seems profoundly ironic. What is the point of getting a good education? Aside from this doing it for the joy of intellectual pursuits (a definite minority), most people go to school for fairly practical reasons. A college degree, while worth less than it was a few decades ago, is still nice to have, at least compared to someone who "only" has a high school diploma. This provides you with better job prospects which means more money which means a better life. In theory.

And yet, having "life skills" arguably contributes to better quality of life too. I think it's safe to say that for most people, being able to cook your own food instead of being forced to eat out at restaurants all the time is more important than being able to do trigonometry and calculus. I'd rather know what to say in an awkward situation than know a bunch of chemical compounds. This isn't a slam on "impractical" skills per se - I'd be the first to admit that being good at StarCraft in of itself isn't worth anything unless you're a progamer, but there are intangibles I got from it that made it at least somewhat worthwhile. But in terms of preparing your child for life as an adult, I think that some societies are doing it wrong, with Taiwan being a key offender. (of course, many sheltered kids in the States have similar experiences, but class differences in the United States are large enough that it's a bit harder to generalize)

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At any rate, you're probably figuring out how all this connects to ramen. A lot of college students lacking in life skills eat unreasonable amounts of ramen not necessarily because it's tasty and fast, but because they don't actually know how to cook anything else. It's not really about time - cooking a simple dish really doesn't take that long once you get the hang of it - but it does take time and effort, and it's an investment that most people choose to forego.

I went to boarding school when I was 14. Our school would climb a mountain (>3K meters) every fall, and it was quite an awesome tradition that opened my eyes to many things, the first of which being how useless I was in some regards. The entire school (roughly 80 students and teachers) was split into 10 teams, and we each had a "food group". Basically, for multi-day trips food is one of the heavier items, and it's obviously easier to split it between several people. I didn't even know how to boil water at the time, by which I mean knowing how long it would take to boil noodles. I couldn't properly clean vegetables, and didn't know the proper order to add ingredients, so everything would be finished at the same time.

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It's pretty astonishing how much I had learned by my second year there

Of course, this changed afterwards, as I loved mountain climbing, and so learned how to cook some really simple, quick foods... but that's also when I cooked normally too. And of course, that was a problem. You see, you can go without proper amounts of vegetables and other nutritious foods for a few days when climbing, because it's a special situation. But you can't just load up on pure carbs in everyday life. But that was the extent of my cooking skills. Noodles + tomato sauce. Noodles + soy sauce. Noodles + New England Clam Chowder. I got by, since I really didn't have to cook that often at the time, and didn't have to my first two years of college, since I lived in a dorm.

An interesting side effect of my shitty cooking was that I found dorm food delicious, because I wasn't comparing it to home-cooked excellence like most kids, but rather my own subsistence-mountaintop-survival-style-minimalist cooking. I just couldn't understand the constant complaints. In Michigan, all the dorm cafeterias actually have pretty much the same food (well, the new Hill Dining Center was an exception). They use the same frozen vegetables, potatoes, egg powder, etc. It's just that each dorm has its own "specialty". I know I'm going off on a tangent at this point, but I've got this little grin on my face as I reminisce about the good ol' college days.

East Quad was almost universally hated. It housed the Residential College - basically a small liberal arts college within the larger University - and thus provided more vegetarian and vegan options. I wasn't a vegetarian at the time, but personally I didn't think it was that bad. Plus, I actually liked eating in East Quad, because it had a smaller dining space, and that meant that the cookies were always fresh and warm, when compared to the larger cafeterias. Always look on the bright side of life.

South Quad housed both the athletes and the honor students. I'm not sure how that happened. At any rate, it was known for having pizza every day. Besides that, it was pretty much your typical Michigan cafeteria food. Powdered eggs. Beef drowned in soy sauce = Asian beef. That always cracked me up.

West Quad had a burrito bar. It was also really close to the Union, which housed a Magic Wok, Subways, Wendy's, Pizza Hut Express, and other culinary monstrosities. As such, if you wanted to guarantee yourself a table, you ate at West Quad. It seemed half-empty (an optimist would say half full) most of the time.

Markley was where they stuffed all the freshmen, and it was crowded.

Bursley was where they stuffed all the engineering, music, and art freshmen. It was known for several things - being huge (meaning the cookies were never deliciously gooey and warm), and its design. I always said that you knew what students lived and ate there - the engineering students built that conveyor belt for your finished lunch trays, the art students designed the pretty wooden mini-pagodas, and the music students didn't do shit because the acoustics of the place were terrible (glass on 3 sides), and you had to shout to hear yourself think.

At any rate, after moving out of the dorms, I ate a lot more ramen than was good for me. Now, it's important to note that not all ramen is created equal. All college students should know that. I greatly preferred the type that required a stove to cook, because that meant thicker and chewier noodles, which really separates bad ramen from good ramen. The soup and sauce is all flavoring and MSG anyway. Thin ramen noodles cook faster and are ideal for those who only have water heaters and no stove, but the noodles also have the consistency of soggy graham flakes. The Korean spicy seafood noodles were my absolute favorite, and I'm sure that after I die, my inner organs will be perfectly preserved for the amusement of future generations marveling at late 20th century mummification techniques. I would add vegetables to it to delude myself into thinking that it was remotely healthy, and I'd add an egg right after shutting the flame off so it would be half-cooked, allowing me to stir the yolk into the soup. Delicious!

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My favorite. Seafood and Spicy!

I haven't eaten instant ramen in almost 2 years now. It's been ten years since I first learned to boil water and make ramen, and now, while I still have a long way to go, I can cook a wide variety of healthy dishes that most people can stomach without throwing up. You'll notice that a lot of my blogs are about growing up, and this blog is no exception. Part of it is realizing that I wouldn't be young forever, that my body wouldn't be able to continue cleansing itself of toxins and preservatives as it got older, and that I'd have to change these habits sooner than later before it became a habit too heavily ingrained. I've also lost my taste for heavily flavored foods - I think eating a primarily organic vegetarian diet over the past year has something to do with that. Organic foods really taste different, and I've grown to appreciate the taste of a food itself, rather than the food + ridiculous amounts of sauce and flavoring. And lastly, I decided that ramen was a symbol of a life that I wanted to slowly transition away from.

To put it simply, consider treating yourself as you would your own child. Now some people might feed their kids donuts for breakfast, but they at least have the excuse of not knowing better. I remember one night in college, when I was munching away on some gummy worms, that I suddenly stopped, and realized that I'd be a terrible father. "Hey, Daddy's too lazy to cook today, so let's just have chip and salsa plus gummy bears for dinner today." My parents certainly never did that to me, even if they were tired and might have been tempted to just order a pizza and get it over with for the night. They took the time and effort (well, my Mom really since she's the one that cooks in our family) to make sure we got the nutrients we needed. I guess it's about the kind of person I want to grow up to be.

So I guess you could say ramen has been a symbol of one aspect of my maturation. One might say that quitting it means more than you might think. Or, I'm just reading too much into it. However, I like to think that all this is to say that there are stories behind nearly everything in life, so long as you're willing to think about it. Try it, you might be surprised at what you learn about yourself.

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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
July 17 2012 04:46 GMT
#2
I once made Ramen in Coca-cola.

It was an exquisite pleasure, and one that my cooking experience has told me to never do again.
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 04:53:08
July 17 2012 04:51 GMT
#3
Noodles with New England clam chowder??
wat

Anyway, life skills are definitely important. I sort of took it for granted because my parents always encouraged me to cook with them: sandwiches, pasta, stir fry veggies, fried rice, noodles, meat, fish, everything. So when I went off to college, I was so surprised that almost everyone there was absolutely incompetent at cooking. They couldn't hold a knife properly to cut things, they were inefficient in the kitchen - I would cringe seeing my friends attempt to cook multiple things at once - they didn't know how long the pork needed to be cooked so that it's not bloody.....

If you wanna stay healthy, you gotta know how to cook.

edit - some of my korean friends introduced me to neoguri seafood flavor ramen and it's so good. but my favorite is still shin ramyun.
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
July 17 2012 05:01 GMT
#4
It's really not difficult to cook

Cooking takes a lot more time than you realize. Getting ingredients, cooking, cleaning up, it's very easy to spend an hour on a meal on average (much more than that if you want to cook more than really simple dishes)

As a young working professional in the city, eating out is also one of the most common social activities outside of drinking. It's really hard to have a social life if you don't eat out with people. It's also just fun to eat out


The way I see it, cooking makes sense if you are cooking for more than 1 person. If you just cook for yourself, you are better off eating out. The only exception is if you don't make enough money to do anything else, but honestly cooking for yourself is not much cheaper than eating out (unless you buy dirt cheap crap)
joe_
Profile Joined November 2010
30 Posts
July 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#5
On July 17 2012 14:01 Wangsta wrote:
It's really not difficult to cook

Cooking takes a lot more time than you realize. Getting ingredients, cooking, cleaning up, it's very easy to spend an hour on a meal on average (much more than that if you want to cook more than really simple dishes)

As a young working professional in the city, eating out is also one of the most common social activities outside of drinking. It's really hard to have a social life if you don't eat out with people. It's also just fun to eat out


The way I see it, cooking makes sense if you are cooking for more than 1 person. If you just cook for yourself, you are better off eating out. The only exception is if you don't make enough money to do anything else, but honestly cooking for yourself is not much cheaper than eating out (unless you buy dirt cheap crap)


buying food at the grocery store is way cheaper than eating out will ever be

with one person I do agree it does begin to get close, but even then buying groceries is still an amazing deal if you calculate how many meals you get out of what you buy vs. what you get at a restaurant

I guess you also have to remember it takes time to cook as well, which in many busy people's lives is worth the $
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 06:03:31
July 17 2012 06:01 GMT
#6
On July 17 2012 14:14 joe_ wrote:
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On July 17 2012 14:01 Wangsta wrote:
It's really not difficult to cook

Cooking takes a lot more time than you realize. Getting ingredients, cooking, cleaning up, it's very easy to spend an hour on a meal on average (much more than that if you want to cook more than really simple dishes)

As a young working professional in the city, eating out is also one of the most common social activities outside of drinking. It's really hard to have a social life if you don't eat out with people. It's also just fun to eat out


The way I see it, cooking makes sense if you are cooking for more than 1 person. If you just cook for yourself, you are better off eating out. The only exception is if you don't make enough money to do anything else, but honestly cooking for yourself is not much cheaper than eating out (unless you buy dirt cheap crap)


buying food at the grocery store is way cheaper than eating out will ever be

with one person I do agree it does begin to get close, but even then buying groceries is still an amazing deal if you calculate how many meals you get out of what you buy vs. what you get at a restaurant

I guess you also have to remember it takes time to cook as well, which in many busy people's lives is worth the $

not sure where you live, but i think in general, buying groceries is way way cheaper than eating out, unless you order mcdonalds dollar menu (and who in their right mind who cares about their health would do that?)
let's say i wanna eat waffles, sausages, and 2 eggs for a quick breakfast. i buy a dozen eggs for $1.25, 12 fresh sausage patties (raw) for $6.00 (im rounding up cuz i forgot how much they actually cost), a pack of frozen waffles for $3.50, and a stick of butter for $1.00 (dividing out the 4pack lump of butter that I get for $4.00). That's $11.75 for 6 meals of breakfast. If I go out to eat, it already costs me $6.00 for a single breakfast.

Cooking is also WAY healthier than eating out. You control how much veggies, meat, carbs, whatever you cook, and how it's cooked. You can refrain from using a ton of oil and salt, like they do at many restaurants.

I agree with Wangsta's point that eating out is a social thing though. I love going out with friends and trying out different restaurants occasionally. Then again, for me, cooking is a social event too. Invite some friends over and cook, have them bring some drinks or their own dishes -> good food, good drinks, good company -> life.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
July 17 2012 06:02 GMT
#7
When it comes down to it, Kraft Dinner / Ramen is actually really expensive and you don't get much from it. You can get a "healthier" option in the same amount of time too. Although ramen does taste very rewarding once in awhile.
Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
July 17 2012 06:06 GMT
#8
On July 17 2012 15:02 Leeoku wrote:
When it comes down to it, Kraft Dinner / Ramen is actually really expensive and you don't get much from it. You can get a "healthier" option in the same amount of time too. Although ramen does taste very rewarding once in awhile.


Ramen is like 10 cents a pack. Also what the hell is a Kraft Dinner, are you from Canada?
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
July 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#9
Yea I am. For a ramen pack which is the korean seafood spicy flavour or other big asian brands it costs like nearly rougly 50 cent/pack not on sale. KD which is mac & cheese goes for a dollar a box not on sale too.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
July 17 2012 06:26 GMT
#10
I'm at Umich right now, lived in the deuce most of my life. Got put into east quad last year and the food was either good or the whole menu had the little vegan symbol by it, disgusting.

Lived off of microwaved shin ramyun last year, its my shit.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
July 17 2012 07:15 GMT
#11
On July 17 2012 13:46 Praetorial wrote:
I once made Ramen in Coca-cola.

It was an exquisite pleasure, and one that my cooking experience has told me to never do again.


Note to self, never cook (or step foot in a kitchen) after taking acid
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
July 17 2012 07:41 GMT
#12
On July 17 2012 15:24 Leeoku wrote:
Yea I am. For a ramen pack which is the korean seafood spicy flavour or other big asian brands it costs like nearly rougly 50 cent/pack not on sale. KD which is mac & cheese goes for a dollar a box not on sale too.


I don't know where you live that sells korean ramen for 50 cents a pack, but I want to move there. Shin Ramen for example is $1.50 per pack here.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11993 Posts
July 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#13
Over here there are "home economics" classes that everybody is forced to take in school. So people at least know how to cook rice with something simple to it and bake something basic.

If you have things like that over there as well, how can people forget it so quickly?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 17 2012 12:16 GMT
#14
Haha, great read!

When I first left home and started living on my own I barely cooked at all. The maximum were like noodles or boiled/fried eggs. Now that I pretty much live with my gf however all the knowledge I must have passively soaked up from my grandparents in terms of cooking shows and I have no trouble outperforming both my gf and (huehue) her mother.

I almost never know exactly what I'm doing but it just works most of the time. Combine some basic knowledge / passive experience by just hanging around the kitchen with google and wikipedia and you can already do lots of stuff. Just try it out! =)
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
actionbastrd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Congo598 Posts
July 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#15
Reading things like this, and the responses makes me happy i held off college for a couple years and went to live in the "real" world for awhile. I went from washing dishes to being a cook. Cooking is absurdly easy but i would have never known if i just studied, went off to college, and never took up a few years of fine-dining cooking jobs. Learning how to cook proper, and macgyver food is probably one of the best outcomes i think could have happened to me.Though i am a little behind in school now well, at least in math. I would have placed higher if i had went right out of high school.

Not only does it look good to the ladies, but it also impresses almost everyone i cook for, even if its something basic that i threw together with random crap from the fridge. I would be a very poor, hungry man if i didnt learn how to cook.

Also, to the person saying cooking for 1 is just as expensive as eating out, someone allready covered this, but you can get so much more food for the same cost as eating out. I bought a bag of rice, and a bunch of veggies, and some fresh chicken and ate fried rice for a week. Each meal probably cost me $7~, and that was making way more food each meal than i could actually eat. I always had leftovers! Learn how to cook, learn how to shop, save some money. Only sacrifice is time but hell, cooking is fun, especially if you are learning new things while doing it.

PS - white wine, chicken broth and butter are your friends. Any time something asks for water, like rice for example, chicken broth is where it is at.
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
July 17 2012 14:36 GMT
#16
I personally had a short period in my life when I was cooking mainly ramen myself as well. But I don't think it was the lack of the "life skills" I possessed. It was just a really lazy way to cook a decent meal, and the fact that I was ignorant of how easy real cooking can be.

However, I don't think "life skills" should be used one-dimensionally (ie considering playing the piano to be a life skill). In a way, they are, but these skills also teach you how to learn and to learn effectively with experience. That's why grownups seem to catch on to things quicker than, say, a teenager (with few exceptions, such as learning a new language).

Anyway, I really enjoyed your blog.
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#17
Nong Shim makes great noodles! The kimchi ones and spicy ones are so great!
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
July 17 2012 15:28 GMT
#18
Blasphemy maybe.....but this is better than Ramen......

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BajaBlood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States205 Posts
July 17 2012 15:29 GMT
#19
Good read. Hope you're doing well, FT
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
July 17 2012 16:25 GMT
#20
On July 17 2012 14:01 Wangsta wrote:
It's really not difficult to cook

Cooking takes a lot more time than you realize. Getting ingredients, cooking, cleaning up, it's very easy to spend an hour on a meal on average (much more than that if you want to cook more than really simple dishes)

As a young working professional in the city, eating out is also one of the most common social activities outside of drinking. It's really hard to have a social life if you don't eat out with people. It's also just fun to eat out


The way I see it, cooking makes sense if you are cooking for more than 1 person. If you just cook for yourself, you are better off eating out. The only exception is if you don't make enough money to do anything else, but honestly cooking for yourself is not much cheaper than eating out (unless you buy dirt cheap crap)


I agree with this, with the caveat that while cooking may cost just as much as eating out, dollar for dollar, regardless where you live, you are guaranteed to eat better food.
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