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SkatesSC
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States191 Posts
July 10 2012 20:16 GMT
#41
Wow, I'm really sorry you had to experience this BrightSide. Even in a community as awesome as ours, we still have to have some people who like to ruin it for people. I hope the guy gets fired for his actions. Glad it didn't go further than it did, could have been so much worse

Hope it hasn't affected you too much, I know experiences like this can be pretty traumatic. Luckily the guy backed off. Also glad you posted this and I hope it gets tons of views. People (especially the women in our community) need to know this stuff can happen. Like you said, it isn't uncommon to share rooms at events, and I really hope no one else has to deal with this kind of behavior at our community events.

Good luck with your fight against this guy with HR from the company. I really hope he loses his job.
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bibilisk
Profile Joined May 2011
France44 Posts
July 10 2012 20:19 GMT
#42
sounds like u misunderstood him, normally a girl know when a guy is attracted, maybe he didnt know how to seduce you and tried this plan, some shy guys do that sort of things. And hormones can make a man act very stupidly, but yea he was wrong to do that, it was total lack of respect.
VampireLady
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
July 10 2012 20:26 GMT
#43
On July 11 2012 04:20 Ack1027 wrote:
How does this even happen?
I've heard a lot of people [ mostly girls ] describe their sleepy state like this and its just like reading about an alien or strange animal found in a exotic country.

I've been up for 24-72 hour periods before and even at my most tired and exhausted I don't know how you could kinda allow this to happen. Just being around other humans in general and then encountering people like this who for some unknown reason get knocked the fuck out by ' tiredness ' is really unbelievable to me.

Totally aside from the fact that this guy is a douchebag, I don't think this serves as a warning or help to average girls at all because they wouldn't come out of this thinking they were ' too nice '. Or that they somehow telepathically were giving off no signals since they were wearing conservative pjs....according to their own opinion.

As others have already mentioned:
Bed count.
Alone with some dude you don't really know or have been alone with for a long time.
Saying explicitly what you think/feel to be wrong.
Somehow thinking its ok to go round 2 with this guy after the first night..???

This is advice you'd give to like a 12 year old girl/daughter/sister......common sense.


I think you need to realize that in a friendly environment it's harder. for some more than others to say no, especially, if you have to identify the situation first. Is this really happening ? Am i exaggurating ? Is he only teasing ? ..how do you do react to such a situation ? . When men and women are alone usually there's always sexual tension and some girls don't recognize this often leading to taken by surprise when one does the first move.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 23:52:41
July 10 2012 23:50 GMT
#44
On July 11 2012 05:26 VampireLady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 04:20 Ack1027 wrote:
How does this even happen?
I've heard a lot of people [ mostly girls ] describe their sleepy state like this and its just like reading about an alien or strange animal found in a exotic country.

I've been up for 24-72 hour periods before and even at my most tired and exhausted I don't know how you could kinda allow this to happen. Just being around other humans in general and then encountering people like this who for some unknown reason get knocked the fuck out by ' tiredness ' is really unbelievable to me.

Totally aside from the fact that this guy is a douchebag, I don't think this serves as a warning or help to average girls at all because they wouldn't come out of this thinking they were ' too nice '. Or that they somehow telepathically were giving off no signals since they were wearing conservative pjs....according to their own opinion.

As others have already mentioned:
Bed count.
Alone with some dude you don't really know or have been alone with for a long time.
Saying explicitly what you think/feel to be wrong.
Somehow thinking its ok to go round 2 with this guy after the first night..???

This is advice you'd give to like a 12 year old girl/daughter/sister......common sense.


I think you need to realize that in a friendly environment it's harder. for some more than others to say no, especially, if you have to identify the situation first. Is this really happening ? Am i exaggurating ? Is he only teasing ? ..how do you do react to such a situation ? . When men and women are alone usually there's always sexual tension and some girls don't recognize this often leading to taken by surprise when one does the first move.

Realize that you've just described how many men end up between a rock and a hard place, stuck in between the uncertainty of a new interaction and the societal norm which stipulates that men make the first move. Not that this guy is anything short of a creep, but a more forward and communicative male-female dynamic might help to avoid these situations altogether.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
VampireLady
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
July 11 2012 00:12 GMT
#45
On July 11 2012 08:50 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 05:26 VampireLady wrote:
On July 11 2012 04:20 Ack1027 wrote:
How does this even happen?
I've heard a lot of people [ mostly girls ] describe their sleepy state like this and its just like reading about an alien or strange animal found in a exotic country.

I've been up for 24-72 hour periods before and even at my most tired and exhausted I don't know how you could kinda allow this to happen. Just being around other humans in general and then encountering people like this who for some unknown reason get knocked the fuck out by ' tiredness ' is really unbelievable to me.

Totally aside from the fact that this guy is a douchebag, I don't think this serves as a warning or help to average girls at all because they wouldn't come out of this thinking they were ' too nice '. Or that they somehow telepathically were giving off no signals since they were wearing conservative pjs....according to their own opinion.

As others have already mentioned:
Bed count.
Alone with some dude you don't really know or have been alone with for a long time.
Saying explicitly what you think/feel to be wrong.
Somehow thinking its ok to go round 2 with this guy after the first night..???

This is advice you'd give to like a 12 year old girl/daughter/sister......common sense.


I think you need to realize that in a friendly environment it's harder. for some more than others to say no, especially, if you have to identify the situation first. Is this really happening ? Am i exaggurating ? Is he only teasing ? ..how do you do react to such a situation ? . When men and women are alone usually there's always sexual tension and some girls don't recognize this often leading to taken by surprise when one does the first move.

Realize that you've just described how many men end up between a rock and a hard place, stuck in between the uncertainty of a new interaction and the societal norm which stipulates that men make the first move. Not that this guy is anything short of a creep, but a more forward and communicative male-female dynamic might help to avoid these situations altogether.


That is my point. Sometimes it's hard to see what is actually going on.
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thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
July 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#46
On July 09 2012 21:05 ruiyang wrote:
He seems like a jerk, but it might not have been entirely his fault as well.
I mean, everything is written from your perspective and there is a lot of crucial information
missing to denounce him as a total jerk.

First of all, i dont know how the situation exactly was, so im going to make a few assumptions:

1 - 1 bed or 2 beds? If its only 1 bed, then its already wrong of you for accepting that invitation.
2 - Seems like you are a very nice person. As a male its easy to misunderstand. Don't end up getting too
friendly on someone you don't know, especially if you are going to sleep at the same room/bed.

With that said, ofcourse its mostly his fault and you should say something about it when something
like this occurs. Its completely unacceptable what he did and he should be told when he's crossing the line.

I mean, if someones talking all the time and you need to sleep, just tell him to stfu. Don't just go uh-huh and pretend
your listening. Just be straight when something starts anoyying you. Again, make sure to warn when someone
crosses a line instead of letting them.


Ofcourse its mostly his fault. You are both there for work so he should act professionally.
Just remember that males arent the same as females and that you should always set borders
which shouldnt be crossed.


Thanks for read anyway ^^


Hey buddy, can you explain to me which part WAS the OP's fault? You keep saying it's "
mostly" his fault. I would say it's 100% his fault. The polite thing to do is pretend to listen you dolt. Also if you actually read her post you'll see that she did tell him she needs to sleep, no more talking etc. He continued talking. Besides that the talking was only the premise to show you this guys perseverance.

I would say that 0% of this was OP's fault. She could have prevented it by simply denying this opportunity completely, or asking for her own room. But that's like saying it's your fault for getting in a car accident, JUST because you decided to go to work, and take the most efficient route. Would you suggest everyone not drive to work? and not take the main roads, simply because it's POSSIBLE to get in a bad situation? Of course not.

Have a little respect. If you think anything that the guy described in OP did was in anyway okay BESIDES recommending moving instead of cards. Then you should rethink your life and your views on women. RESPECT. That's all there is, you have it..or you don't.
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
July 11 2012 02:06 GMT
#47
The guy mentioned in the OP is a total fucking jerk, its indefensible.
We can all look back and be like, "brightside should known better" because the incident is the past now, but women should not have expect that all men are incredibly creepy, bordering on rapey jerks, if only because the majority aren't.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 02:33:08
July 11 2012 02:32 GMT
#48
On July 11 2012 02:56 VampireLady wrote:
Let's start off with early school years..

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-07/us/us_school-sexual-harassment_1_sexual-harassment-unwelcome-sexual-comments-verbal-harassment?_s=PM:US

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/one-in-four-u-s-women-reports-workplace-harassment/



. According to a European studie ( 1998 pag. 15,16) roughly 30 % upto 50 % women encounter unwanted sexual advances and 10 % of the men at the workplace.

Source:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/shworkpl.pdf


I have read a lot in papers, this is just a quick google result. Not too hard.. just reading the morning paper will suffice.

I don't find any of these legitimate sources. A real source is more than "this is what I think". You make bold claims and they require legitimate sources.

FUCK. Like reread what you claim and then fucking prove it. These links you've provided are embarrassing when compared to your original claim.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
July 11 2012 02:52 GMT
#49
I was reading the OP and had a slight facepalm. I don't understand why any girl will willingly share a room with another guy and not think that it's sending out wrong signals. Sure, the guy is in the wrong, but at least take some responsibility for your own safety.

I would think that all this is common sense...
VampireLady
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
July 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#50
On July 11 2012 11:32 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:56 VampireLady wrote:
Let's start off with early school years..

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-07/us/us_school-sexual-harassment_1_sexual-harassment-unwelcome-sexual-comments-verbal-harassment?_s=PM:US

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/one-in-four-u-s-women-reports-workplace-harassment/



. According to a European studie ( 1998 pag. 15,16) roughly 30 % upto 50 % women encounter unwanted sexual advances and 10 % of the men at the workplace.

Source:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/shworkpl.pdf


I have read a lot in papers, this is just a quick google result. Not too hard.. just reading the morning paper will suffice.

I don't find any of these legitimate sources. A real source is more than "this is what I think". You make bold claims and they require legitimate sources.

FUCK. Like reread what you claim and then fucking prove it. These links you've provided are embarrassing when compared to your original claim.


Those searches were just a quick google search came up with. Truth be told, if you are surprised or anaware of such a phenomenon i reckon you've been living under a rock because these sorts of surveys are done both nationally and internationally.

Example. According to another dutch survey states
" Places where women are predominantly subjected to sexual violence is at work and school ( 36 % ) ".

Source : Emancipationmonitor 2006 ( http://www.seksueelgeweld.info/feiten_en_cijfers/omvang_seksueel_geweld/vrouwen_en_mannen )

" Between 40 and 50 percent of women in European Union countries experience unwanted sexual advancements, physical contact or other forms of sexual harassment at their workplace. "

Source : UN Women Surveys

http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/violence_against_women/facts_figures.php

Fuck. Open a paper every now and then these findings are nothing to be surprised of they hitt he papers every now and then.




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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 15:27:27
July 11 2012 15:23 GMT
#51
Your claim: Sexual harassment increases in environments as the ratio of men:women increases.
Your proof: A lot of women experience sexual harassment.

I don't doubt that sexual harassment occurs often in the workplace. This is what I want you to prove:
in a community predominantly outweighed by men, chances are even higher for such incidents to occur. Women are generally subject to sexal harrassment especially in these sort of environments. There have been numerous studies stating the numbers

It's not my job to go out and prove it to myself because I'm not the one making claims. I don't go around reading papers on every subject... is that a rational expectation? O_o

Edit: Further, I'm trying to see how this relates at all. It happened in a one on one situation. Why does the industry or how many men are waiting back at the office matter in this case?
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TrainSamurai
Profile Joined November 2010
339 Posts
July 11 2012 17:16 GMT
#52
On July 11 2012 11:52 Azzur wrote:
I was reading the OP and had a slight facepalm. I don't understand why any girl will willingly share a room with another guy and not think that it's sending out wrong signals. Sure, the guy is in the wrong, but at least take some responsibility for your own safety.

I would think that all this is common sense...


Some people might call that blaming the victim but they're missing the point... it's like in martial arts, you don't fight not because you can't win but because you will mostly recieve some form of injury.
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Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 17:23:01
July 11 2012 17:18 GMT
#53
On July 11 2012 21:27 VampireLady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 11:32 Chill wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:56 VampireLady wrote:
Let's start off with early school years..

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-07/us/us_school-sexual-harassment_1_sexual-harassment-unwelcome-sexual-comments-verbal-harassment?_s=PM:US

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/one-in-four-u-s-women-reports-workplace-harassment/



. According to a European studie ( 1998 pag. 15,16) roughly 30 % upto 50 % women encounter unwanted sexual advances and 10 % of the men at the workplace.

Source:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/shworkpl.pdf


I have read a lot in papers, this is just a quick google result. Not too hard.. just reading the morning paper will suffice.

I don't find any of these legitimate sources. A real source is more than "this is what I think". You make bold claims and they require legitimate sources.

FUCK. Like reread what you claim and then fucking prove it. These links you've provided are embarrassing when compared to your original claim.


Those searches were just a quick google search came up with. Truth be told, if you are surprised or anaware of such a phenomenon i reckon you've been living under a rock because these sorts of surveys are done both nationally and internationally.

Example. According to another dutch survey states
" Places where women are predominantly subjected to sexual violence is at work and school ( 36 % ) ".

Source : Emancipationmonitor 2006 ( http://www.seksueelgeweld.info/feiten_en_cijfers/omvang_seksueel_geweld/vrouwen_en_mannen )

" Between 40 and 50 percent of women in European Union countries experience unwanted sexual advancements, physical contact or other forms of sexual harassment at their workplace. "

Source : UN Women Surveys

http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/violence_against_women/facts_figures.php

Fuck. Open a paper every now and then these findings are nothing to be surprised of they hitt he papers every now and then.






Your first "source" claims that 10% has been raped at least once. Seems legit.
Second source is very vague. What do you categorize as sexual harassement? The numbers are simply through the roof. They must consider every attempt at flirting from a guy they don't like as "sexual harassement".
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
VampireLady
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
July 12 2012 00:08 GMT
#54
On July 12 2012 02:18 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 21:27 VampireLady wrote:
On July 11 2012 11:32 Chill wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:56 VampireLady wrote:
Let's start off with early school years..

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-07/us/us_school-sexual-harassment_1_sexual-harassment-unwelcome-sexual-comments-verbal-harassment?_s=PM:US

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/one-in-four-u-s-women-reports-workplace-harassment/



. According to a European studie ( 1998 pag. 15,16) roughly 30 % upto 50 % women encounter unwanted sexual advances and 10 % of the men at the workplace.

Source:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/shworkpl.pdf


I have read a lot in papers, this is just a quick google result. Not too hard.. just reading the morning paper will suffice.

I don't find any of these legitimate sources. A real source is more than "this is what I think". You make bold claims and they require legitimate sources.

FUCK. Like reread what you claim and then fucking prove it. These links you've provided are embarrassing when compared to your original claim.


Those searches were just a quick google search came up with. Truth be told, if you are surprised or anaware of such a phenomenon i reckon you've been living under a rock because these sorts of surveys are done both nationally and internationally.

Example. According to another dutch survey states
" Places where women are predominantly subjected to sexual violence is at work and school ( 36 % ) ".

Source : Emancipationmonitor 2006 ( http://www.seksueelgeweld.info/feiten_en_cijfers/omvang_seksueel_geweld/vrouwen_en_mannen )

" Between 40 and 50 percent of women in European Union countries experience unwanted sexual advancements, physical contact or other forms of sexual harassment at their workplace. "

Source : UN Women Surveys

http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/violence_against_women/facts_figures.php

Fuck. Open a paper every now and then these findings are nothing to be surprised of they hitt he papers every now and then.






Your first "source" claims that 10% has been raped at least once. Seems legit.
Second source is very vague. What do you categorize as sexual harassement? The numbers are simply through the roof. They must consider every attempt at flirting from a guy they don't like as "sexual harassement".


Maybe if you took the liberty and effort to actually read you'd read that its the UN's definition of sexual harassment exactly described. Plus given that a huge number of cases are simply not reported due to the danger of losing their position or being ashamed. It is actually not very vague, its pretty vivid and the image sketched here simply describes what is going on in rough lines on the workplace.
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