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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 06 2012 07:39 GMT
#1
So at the moment, I'm looking to try and get my brain and shit back in working order. After teaching ESL for 2 years, with a little break before starting my 3rd, I have to say that my intelligence and writing has degraded a lot. It's a known fact that spending too much time with young children LOWERS your own abilities. Mothers lose some of their intelligence when they have a baby, and it's due to just reading such basic shit, talking such basic shit ALL THE TIME.

I also have the problem that my significant other isn't a primary english speaker, and I don't speak Korean enough to have a decent conversation with her in Korean. Don't get me wrong, we do speak, about a lot of things, but it's almost impossible to have a meaningful conversation about things I'm interested in, like philosophy. Basically, abstract language is rather difficult.

So my abilities are getting lower, and I'm hoping to use this space as a way to just get back into academic writing. I don't mind if people don't read it, or think it's shit, but I would really like helpful advice on my writing style and my reasoning. I eventually want to get back up to a level where I can take a masters in a few years time, as this will allow me to become a University lecturer here in Korea.

I need your help TL, I need you to help me rescue my brain. I'm looking for linguistics papers. Preferably in sociolinguistics, Child language acquisition or any area of linguistics which isn't insanely boring (these 2 interest me the most.)

Also, any decent Philosophers to read and write about? I read Schopenhauer, fucking love that dude, haven't read Nietzsche but would really like to read at least 1 or 2 of his books. What's good in modern philosophy? Where can I get access to papers and shit for free (Cheap...)? Any good sites for Philosophy of Religion or Philosophy of Science?

Thanks TL

Even if I get no replies, it's good just to write....there may be embarrassing goodies if I can find them at later dates, videos that I had to make for my school

***
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
July 06 2012 08:01 GMT
#2
Why do people always ask for other people when it comes to philosophy.

I actually had quite the blast exploring Taoism and Buddhism.

However since most Taoist texts aren't all that well translated to english (begs the question, is it even possible to, when the word Tao is untranslatable even from chinese to chinese?)
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 06 2012 08:04 GMT
#3
Contrary to popular belief you don't always need authors to help you think. In my opinion, everyone should try to mold its own philosophical identity before trying to confront it to others.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
July 06 2012 08:40 GMT
#4
If you haven't already read it, I recommend The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. It's pretty high level, and seems to be within your areas of interest.
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 10:58:21
July 06 2012 10:58 GMT
#5
Hi Optimus, colleagues recommend the following texts on the reading list for a module on Applied Linguistics and Culture:

Cobley, P (ed.) (1996). The Communication Theory Reader. London: Routledge
Corner, J, and Hawthorn, J (eds.) (1993). Communication Studies: An Introductory Reader. London: Edward Arnold
Fiske, J (1992). Introduction to Communication Studies. London: Routledge
Kiesling, S, and Paulston, CB (ed.) (2005). Intercultural Discourse and Communication: The Essential Readings. Oxford: Blackwell
Marsen, S (2006). Communication Studies. New York: Palgrave Macmillan
Rosengren, KE (2000). Communication: An Introduction. London: Sage
Schirato, T, and Yell, S (2007). Communication and Culture: An Introduction. London: Sage
Scollon, R, and Scollon, SSW (2001). Intercultural Communication. Malden, Massachusetts: Blackwell.

Obviously they're all introductory texts but these can be very good at whetting your appetite and some will bring together a variety different theorists in one volume which is useful. I don't teach Linguistics and it isn't my field, though I hope it helps.

As for Philosophy if you're interested in Nietzsche then The Nietzsche Reader (Blackwell Readers) is a good place to start, I think Penguin do an abridged version (which is much cheaper).

My interests are currently in Zizek and .... Deleuze. Though these guys are fairly heavy and intimidating, though they do yield through perseverance, but definitely not for the uninitiated! If you're desperately interested Kafka by Deleuze and Guattari is a good accessible text, also some of Zizek's popular stuff is quite good too, but for serious philosophy go for
The Parallax View.

Actually, if you're interested in Schopenhauer then Zizek's treatment of Lacan and Hegel will be right up your street.

I'm afraid I try and steer clear of Religious and Scientific philosophy and it usually turns out to be polemical junk.

I'll have a chat to colleagues and will see if any thing specific is suggested.

Good luck with your reading!
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Bentus
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany86 Posts
July 06 2012 15:13 GMT
#6
learn french and then read stuff like voltaire, balzac,...
Kamasue
Profile Joined July 2012
United States7 Posts
July 06 2012 18:21 GMT
#7
If you have an interest in the philosophy of religion, or living in general, I'd recommend Soren Kierkegaard. He's more or less the father of Existentialism, which is a pretty fascinating school of thought if you aren't familiar with it. Since Kierkegaard was a devout Christian, a lot of his writing focuses on being a good Christian individual, but he heavily studied the human condition in a more general context as well in most of his writings.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
July 06 2012 23:33 GMT
#8
ESL = English as Second Language ?? I somehow associate esl with electronic sports league, like, always.
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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
July 06 2012 23:41 GMT
#9
I know how you feel. My wife is Korean. Sometimes I have to "dumb" down my English so that she can understand me completely.

Then when I call my parents, they ask me why my English sounds so different. That's when I realized that I'm so used to lowering my English vocabulary, it starts to stick at times.
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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 07 2012 14:43 GMT
#10
On July 06 2012 17:01 Thaniri wrote:
Why do people always ask for other people when it comes to philosophy.

I actually had quite the blast exploring Taoism and Buddhism.

However since most Taoist texts aren't all that well translated to english (begs the question, is it even possible to, when the word Tao is untranslatable even from chinese to chinese?)


I'm asking for recommendations to get me BACK into it. I've read quite a bit (Schaupenahauer, I read half of the Koran a few months ago, plan to read the other half soon). I've read a lot of shit, I started to research Confuscianism and read like a book before I realised that I couldn't write my essay about it.....Translations are sketchy, but I believe a few of the more academic translations are ok
On July 06 2012 17:04 Otolia wrote:
Contrary to popular belief you don't always need authors to help you think. In my opinion, everyone should try to mold its own philosophical identity before trying to confront it to others.


I've been through the typical stages of philosophy. Started as a scrub, then considered solipsism, then moved on to Logical realism and now I'm a realist, with interests in all philosophies. I don't read shit to get inspired, or to change my opinion....I love to read new stuff to challenge my world view and make it more concrete.

On July 06 2012 17:40 FuRong wrote:
If you haven't already read it, I recommend The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. It's pretty high level, and seems to be within your areas of interest.


I've read chapters of Pinker, he was in a reader I owned and his writing is amazing. Will definitely try and pick up the book. I read one by some chick called the articulate mammal....definitely a good read too

On July 06 2012 19:58 Deleuze wrote:
Hi Optimus, colleagues recommend the following texts on the reading list for a module on Applied Linguistics and Culture:

Cobley, P (ed.) (1996). The Communication Theory Reader. London: Routledge
Corner, J, and Hawthorn, J (eds.) (1993). Communication Studies: An Introductory Reader. London: Edward Arnold
Fiske, J (1992). Introduction to Communication Studies. London: Routledge
Kiesling, S, and Paulston, CB (ed.) (2005). Intercultural Discourse and Communication: The Essential Readings. Oxford: Blackwell
Marsen, S (2006). Communication Studies. New York: Palgrave Macmillan
Rosengren, KE (2000). Communication: An Introduction. London: Sage
Schirato, T, and Yell, S (2007). Communication and Culture: An Introduction. London: Sage
Scollon, R, and Scollon, SSW (2001). Intercultural Communication. Malden, Massachusetts: Blackwell.

Obviously they're all introductory texts but these can be very good at whetting your appetite and some will bring together a variety different theorists in one volume which is useful. I don't teach Linguistics and it isn't my field, though I hope it helps.

As for Philosophy if you're interested in Nietzsche then The Nietzsche Reader (Blackwell Readers) is a good place to start, I think Penguin do an abridged version (which is much cheaper).

My interests are currently in Zizek and .... Deleuze. Though these guys are fairly heavy and intimidating, though they do yield through perseverance, but definitely not for the uninitiated! If you're desperately interested Kafka by Deleuze and Guattari is a good accessible text, also some of Zizek's popular stuff is quite good too, but for serious philosophy go for
The Parallax View.

Actually, if you're interested in Schopenhauer then Zizek's treatment of Lacan and Hegel will be right up your street.

I'm afraid I try and steer clear of Religious and Scientific philosophy and it usually turns out to be polemical junk.

I'll have a chat to colleagues and will see if any thing specific is suggested.

Good luck with your reading!


Much thanks, I will add most of these recommendations to a reading list when I get to have a vacation. I always find the introduction books a little on the washy side, and finding the good stuff is often a search but the course that they teach sounds like something I'd love to study...will definitely put them on the list.


On July 07 2012 03:21 Kamasue wrote:
If you have an interest in the philosophy of religion, or living in general, I'd recommend Soren Kierkegaard. He's more or less the father of Existentialism, which is a pretty fascinating school of thought if you aren't familiar with it. Since Kierkegaard was a devout Christian, a lot of his writing focuses on being a good Christian individual, but he heavily studied the human condition in a more general context as well in most of his writings.


Kierkegaard was one that was recommended to me by a real close friend when I was reading a lot of idealism. I've read a few articles due to Essay writing back in uni, and liked his style so thanks for reminding me ^^

On July 07 2012 08:41 Silentness wrote:
I know how you feel. My wife is Korean. Sometimes I have to "dumb" down my English so that she can understand me completely.

Then when I call my parents, they ask me why my English sounds so different. That's when I realized that I'm so used to lowering my English vocabulary, it starts to stick at times.


Yeah....well imagine my family who are English, and come from the midlands where there is a seriously strong language identity, and I've abandonned my accent 90% of the time so I can make myself understood to koreans. I also dumb myself down here and don't get understood....it will happen though!


On July 07 2012 08:33 Marti wrote:
ESL = English as Second Language ?? I somehow associate esl with electronic sports league, like, always.


Yup ESL as in English as a second language. I have the opposite...and sometimes I've wondered why some English second language tutoring company has sponsered an entire esports league hahaha



Thanks for all the suggestions guys....definitely gave me something to do over the summer ^^
Deleted User 255289
Profile Joined March 2012
281 Posts
July 07 2012 16:09 GMT
#11
Cool, my mom teached esl at a college before.

btw, if you work at a university, i believe they should have a database with many research papers that you can find.
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