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SC2 Balance Amnesty

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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 08:18:17
June 27 2012 22:12 GMT
#1
The SC2 Balance Amnesty


By replying to this blog, I hereby affirm the following:

  • That talented, hard-working professionals and gifted amateurs, innovators and hangers-on, worthy opponents, cheesers, good sports, bad sports, noobs, scrubs and the inexplicably retarded have been allocated by the hand of chance in equal measure to the three races of Starcraft 2.

  • That in asymmetrical warfare there will be asymmetry, which will manifest as timings or periods of the game in which one race will seem favoured above another. That my own cross will always chafe harder than that borne by another's back, and that bearing it with good humour is a truer test of nobility than arguing over the weight of the load.

  • That real or perceived imbalance between the races will wax and wane, be lost and rediscovered, and can in all likelihood never be banished beyond the reach of the most talented and dedicated to exploit - but that this will not diminish my admiration of their achievements.

  • That it would be hypocritical to publicly denounce situational advantage as 'imbalance' if in my private exploration of the game's subtleties I still hope to encounter it to my advantage.

  • That regardless of any genuine benefit conferred by race, my opponents will on average find their games as taxing as I do myself. If one golfer can play another of a lower or higher handicap, and yet earnestly congratulate him on a hard-won victory, I can do the same.

  • That we are all of us at sea, and that tending the oars is a better use of our time than worrying which of us the waves currently bear aloft.



Signed:
Andy Clitheroe

Who knows: if enough people sign up we might be able to swing an icon of our own!


Responses to Suggestions and Criticism


Though I appreciate your efforts,
I think constructive criticism of the game should be upheld.
These criticisms have made SCII a better game than it was 2 years ago,
and everyone should be happy that the developers are listening and are actively trying to improve the game.


This is why the affirmations above don't include a vow to refrain from discussing balance. They are a framework for enjoying watching, playing and discussing Starcraft 2 with a minimum of needless rancour and animosity, not a rug to sweep problems beneath.

****
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
zakmaa
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada525 Posts
June 27 2012 22:16 GMT
#2
Signing, this is awesome.
Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
June 27 2012 22:45 GMT
#3
This is pretty good. I agree with this.
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 22:52:45
June 27 2012 22:52 GMT
#4
signed - Andrew "Vindicare" Resendez: Random Player.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
June 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#5
Signed - Evan "Bippzy" Kelly
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
June 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#6
4th point speaks the most to me i think, everyone complains about X imba... unless it is their race.
signed
twitch.tv/jaytherey | Yapper891 if you are reading this, PM me. its Twisty.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
June 27 2012 23:09 GMT
#7
Signed - LightTemplar
About time somebody said it!
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 27 2012 23:15 GMT
#8
oh comon, reading balance whines in "designated" threads is often times half the fun of this website.
lol

Though I appreciate your efforts,
I think constructive criticism of the game should be upheld.
These criticisms have made SCII a better game than it was 2 years ago,
and everyone should be happy that the developers are listening and are actively trying to improve the game.

As Michael Patcher pointed out, there is a big difference between a complaint and a whine.
Actual balance whine should be struck down, however.

And by replying to this blog, I am not affirming your creed.
I'm constructively criticizing it.
moo...for DRG
Forester
Profile Joined September 2010
United States116 Posts
June 27 2012 23:16 GMT
#9
Signed - Erik "Forester" Halberg, Terran

This pledge is long overdue
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 27 2012 23:41 GMT
#10
I can't imagine this pledge NOT catching on. I'm sure a lot of Terran players are going to say to themselves after reading this, "You brought up some valid points. I never thought about SC2 this way... I guess I was wrong to think that other races are overpowered, because to be honest, I thought to myself 'I'm smarter than all these idiots. The only reason I could be losing is because of the game, because it's certainly not me, cuz I'm good.', but boy was I wrong! I hereby sign this pledge!"
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
June 27 2012 23:54 GMT
#11
On June 28 2012 07:12 Umpteen wrote:
The SC2 Balance Amnesty


By replying to this blog, I hereby affirm the following:

  • That talented, hard-working professionals and gifted amateurs, innovators and hangers-on, worthy opponents, cheesers, good sports, bad sports, noobs, scrubs and the inexplicably retarded have been allocated by the hand of chance in equal measure to the three races of Starcraft 2.

  • That in asymmetrical warfare there will be asymmetry, which will manifest as timings or periods of the game in which one race will seem favoured above another. That my own cross will always chafe harder than that borne by another's back, and that bearing it with good humour is a truer test of nobility than arguing over the weight of the load.

  • That real or perceived imbalance between the races will wax and wane, be lost and rediscovered, and can in all likelihood never be banished beyond the reach of the most talented and dedicated to exploit - but that this will not diminish my appreciation of their achievements.

  • That it would be hypocritical to publicly denounce situational advantage as 'imbalance' if in my private exploration of the game's subtleties I still hope to encounter it to my advantage.

  • That regardless of any genuine benefit conferred by race, my opponents will on average find their games as taxing as I do myself. If one golfer can play another of a lower or higher handicap, and yet earnestly congratulate him on a hard-won victory, I can do the same.

  • That we are all of us at sea, and that tending the oars is a better use of our time than worrying which of us the waves currently bear aloft.



Signed:
Andy Clitheroe

Who knows: if enough people sign up we might be able to swing an icon of our own!

Yup. QFT
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
Initiative
Profile Joined July 2011
United States131 Posts
June 28 2012 00:51 GMT
#12
/signed!
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
June 28 2012 00:54 GMT
#13
signed -terran player who, despite reading and agreeing with this, still hopes that some changes are made
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
June 28 2012 03:41 GMT
#14
Preach it, brother.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
June 28 2012 05:03 GMT
#15
how do i sign? do i just say sign? sign!
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
June 28 2012 08:00 GMT
#16
On June 28 2012 08:15 neoghaleon55 wrote:
oh comon, reading balance whines in "designated" threads is often times half the fun of this website.
lol

Though I appreciate your efforts,
I think constructive criticism of the game should be upheld.
These criticisms have made SCII a better game than it was 2 years ago,
and everyone should be happy that the developers are listening and are actively trying to improve the game.

As Michael Patcher pointed out, there is a big difference between a complaint and a whine.
Actual balance whine should be struck down, however.

And by replying to this blog, I am not affirming your creed.
I'm constructively criticizing it.


Thanks for this - I've edited the OP with my response.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
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