• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:52
CET 11:52
KST 19:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
$21,000 RyongYi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)1Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
$21,000 RyongYi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays SC2 AI Tournament 2026 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Data analysis on 70 million replays
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1871 users

Watching SC2 - Macro Down time

Blogs > Plansix
Post a Reply
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2012 17:24 GMT
#1
We have all watched and enjoyed a lot of SC2 over the last two years. The growth of production has been really impressive and shown a lot creativity within the different leagues. The casting has become more refined and polished. Watching the growth of producing SC2 has almost been has interesting as the games themselves.

However, I have not convered many non-RTS fans to enjoying SC2. People can respect the exciting moments, much of tht time there is a disconnect between what we are watching and what the players are doing. There are times when the observer is following one of the few moving units, while the players push their macro to the limit. This is also the time when Artosis and Tasteless break out the random facts about guinea pigs(god bless them, because they still keep things interesting no matter what is going on) and my friends lose interest.

Personally, I would like to see more switches to the players point of view during these moments. The manic speed that many players move at during SC2 is impressive to anyone who sees it first hand. Most people never even think about playing a game at that speed or attempting the level of multitasking that most professionals and regular viewers take for granted. Once, when watching Nony's stream on my Kindle Fire, a friend looked over my shoulder and said, mouth open in awe "Wait, that is a person? People play like that? How does he even know what was going on?" He watched for around 10 minutes, simply wordless at the speed and the amount of things that were going on at once. Although he does not play SC2, he often asks how the leagues going and if Nony is doing well. His passing interest has been growing over time.

I feel that leagues need to switch it up and show us the players point of view more often. People who do not play need to see first hand what it takes to control these units. It is the only way I can come up with to convey the amount of effort it takes to play SC2. It would also show how vision and fog of war effect the game. When to cut to the players point of view will be a trial and error process that they will need to learn. It would also require more effort on the production side, because cutting between points of view is hard and can break up the flow of a broadcast.

What do people think? Where are the points during a match when a single players point of view would keep things more engaging? Have anyone seen any good uses of this in recent broadcasts(links please)?

*
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 17:44:23
June 22 2012 17:42 GMT
#2
MSL and Proleague always have random cuts to players FPViews. I imagine it isn't beyond GSL to implement something like this. It's only for about 20 seconds tho.

I dunno how valid your points are, but it makes things interesting especially if the person directing it can pick a moment when there is some intense micro. As far as macroing tho... Wrong game for that lol isn't it just one hotkey and then spam the key for the unit you're making? Ideally you don't even look back at your base when doing something like that, so unless you are looking at the bottom of the screen at the queue you wouldn't know. At best you see them shift add 3 gates and a tech building or something lol.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10258 Posts
June 22 2012 18:09 GMT
#3
I think the best fp views that were showed in BW were when there was a critical drop or something coming or some hidden tech and they'd look at the opponent's view and see if he's scouted or how he's reacting or something.

I like the cuts to the players faces too, I remember FlaSh vs Jaedong when Jaedong went for that lurker drop on dreamliner and FlaSh's face was priceless and he got so zoned into the defense.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
June 22 2012 18:22 GMT
#4
I do wish that for someone just spectating people could see how fast people are playing.
FPV doesn't even have to happen during a crucial moment. Just simply when both players are macroing up would work too!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
June 22 2012 20:08 GMT
#5
A lot of the drama and intensity of the games are missing as a result of this. The lack of camera directing really takes away the experience SCBW spectating had, with all the zoom ins at critical moments of the players, random first person views of the player, and the random shots of the crowd. These are all things that made spectating SCBW as fun as it was.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Vragak
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6 Posts
June 22 2012 22:14 GMT
#6
I would like to think it would be nice to see the FPV even during the early games. I understand the caster's could use this time to talk about the map (attack paths, rocks HY Minerals etc...) but even during this time the pros can have 100, 200, 300+ APM just boxing workers and setting up their viewpoints, etc...

Watching the FPV during some critical fights would even be interesting... are they doing specific things, or are they just A-Moving so they can macro elsewhere.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 178
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28656
PianO 1595
Rain 1391
Shuttle 1147
Stork 323
Hyuk 302
actioN 276
Mini 273
Light 267
Killer 205
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 178
BeSt 173
Soma 170
Snow 162
Hyun 150
Pusan 127
ZerO 112
Barracks 99
Sharp 84
Mind 59
Rush 52
NotJumperer 39
sorry 35
ToSsGirL 31
soO 29
JYJ 29
Noble 20
JulyZerg 17
HiyA 12
ZergMaN 11
Bale 9
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
Gorgc684
XcaliburYe192
NeuroSwarm88
League of Legends
C9.Mang0417
Other Games
singsing765
ceh9725
Fuzer 279
XaKoH 157
Sick113
MindelVK15
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick27527
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 29
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1612
• Lourlo900
Upcoming Events
SOOP
17h 8m
SHIN vs GuMiho
Cure vs Creator
The PondCast
23h 8m
Wardi Open
1d 1h
Big Gabe XPERIONCRAFT
1d 2h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 9h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
IPSL
2 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-08
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
Escore Tournament S1: W3
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.